Tizianolol Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 That's what I play soon: lord of change 300 -tz firestorm - magical supremacy gaunt summoner 120 -glimpse the future chaos lord sorcerer 160 -treacherous bond - tz mark sorerer lord in manticore 200 -infusion arcanum - tz mark 30 tzaangor 450 2x10 orrors 240 2x3 skyfires 400 ( 30 blue orrors) 120 tot 1990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevvermore Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Have to agree with the comments about painting Tzaangor... I painted all my horrors very fast and then hit a brick wall with my Acolytes and especially Tzaangor (both on foot and on discs). There is such a thing as too much detail and honestly I think Tzeentch went there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonomiyakimarine Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 talking about 30 Tzaangors... I guess this could work based on a standard-ish Tzeentch mix list with Gaunt Summoner, Ogroid and Skyshoal Coven? Ogroid and Tzaangor blob are a huge distraction. Horrors can act as blockers or sit on objectives. Skyfires can have some extra move and fun with the Skyshoal Coven. With points for blue and brimstone horrors - potentially as reserve – it is exactly 2k. opinions? Leaders Gaunt Summoner (120) - General Tzaangor Shaman (160) Ogroid Thaumaturge (160)Battleline 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) 30 x Tzaangors (450)Units 20 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (100) 20 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (80) 3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (200) 3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (200) 3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160)Battalions Skyshoal Coven (130) Total: 2000/2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 2 hours ago, hobgoblinclub said: True. I didn't even notice they benefit from a massive regiments points reduction to be honest as I always use them as reinforcements now. I get that the theory is the same and you can try to bubble wrap. Being able to split them is super powerful though. Even post-FAQ, that 6" bubble really allows for some shenanigans. I think there's a lot of value in having that bubble wrap on the table to start the game to protect you from Stormcast and Skryre alpha strike lists. There's also value in having the units on the table to die in the order you need (ie, force a charge on your blue horrors with your pink horrors in range to pile in when you're opponent is planning to sink multiple units in). Initial unit causes a bunch of damage to the blue horrors, opening a hole for the pink horrors to pile in and attack the second unit. The pink horrors then take some hits, splitting and reinforcing the blue horrors. Then you throw a 1 at the battleshock test to get back your horror casualties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Okonomiyakimarine said: talking about 30 Tzaangors... I guess this could work based on a standard-ish Tzeentch mix list with Gaunt Summoner, Ogroid and Skyshoal Coven? Ogroid and Tzaangor blob are a huge distraction. Horrors can act as blockers or sit on objectives. Skyfires can have some extra move and fun with the Skyshoal Coven. With points for blue and brimstone horrors - potentially as reserve – it is exactly 2k. opinions? Leaders Gaunt Summoner (120) - General Tzaangor Shaman (160) Ogroid Thaumaturge (160)Battleline 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) 30 x Tzaangors (450)Units 20 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (100) 20 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (80) 3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (200) 3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (200) 3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160)Battalions Skyshoal Coven (130) Total: 2000/2000 I was thinking of something similar to this actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misthv Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Okonomiyakimarine said: talking about 30 Tzaangors... I guess this could work based on a standard-ish Tzeentch mix list with Gaunt Summoner, Ogroid and Skyshoal Coven? Ogroid and Tzaangor blob are a huge distraction. Horrors can act as blockers or sit on objectives. Skyfires can have some extra move and fun with the Skyshoal Coven. With points for blue and brimstone horrors - potentially as reserve – it is exactly 2k. opinions? Leaders Gaunt Summoner (120) - General Tzaangor Shaman (160) Ogroid Thaumaturge (160)Battleline 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) 30 x Tzaangors (450)Units 20 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (100) 20 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (80) 3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (200) 3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (200) 3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160)Battalions Skyshoal Coven (130) Total: 2000/2000 Yeah but investing 850p in that Skyfire/Enlightened/Shaman/Skyshoal cluster is quite steep... not sure if it's worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonomiyakimarine Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Malakithe said: I was thinking of something similar to this actually how similar? 48 minutes ago, misthv said: Yeah but investing 850p in that Skyfire/Enlightened/Shaman/Skyshoal cluster is quite steep... not sure if it's worth it? I cannot say if it is worth it really. i just find Skyshoal Coven seems to provide some the great fun options to move - especially away from danger. What would you take for the 290pts instead? assuming you would leave out the battalion rules and the Enlightened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misthv Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Okonomiyakimarine said: how similar? I cannot say if it is worth it really. i just find Skyshoal Coven seems to provide some the great fun options to move - especially away from danger. What would you take for the 290pts instead? assuming you would leave out the battalion rules and the Enlightened. 290p is very close to 300p for a LoC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Ok I was thinking of something like this...thoughts? I was looking at the Skyshoal as well but yeah thats a lot of points for extra movement. Leaders Lord Of Change (300) Tzaangor Shaman (160) Tzaangor Shaman (160) Chaos Sorcerer Lord (160)Battleline 30 x Tzaangors (450) 10 x Chaos Marauders (60) 10 x Chaos Marauders (60)Units 6 x Tzaangor Skyfires (400) Total: 1750/2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherJosh Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 7 hours ago, Nevvermore said: Have to agree with the comments about painting Tzaangor... I painted all my horrors very fast and then hit a brick wall with my Acolytes and especially Tzaangor (both on foot and on discs). There is such a thing as too much detail and honestly I think Tzeentch went there. Acolytes are relatively quick (comparatively) prime white (go over to ensure they have their base, watch for overspray) Paint the shields/Weapons and gold masks. wash gold and skin with reikland Fleshshade. wash kilts with drakenhoof Nightshade/lamian medium mix. and they're pretty much done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasman Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 18 hours ago, Nevvermore said: Have to agree with the comments about painting Tzaangor... I painted all my horrors very fast and then hit a brick wall with my Acolytes and especially Tzaangor (both on foot and on discs). There is such a thing as too much detail and honestly I think Tzeentch went there. Yup. Totally agree. I ended up mounting all of my sky fires on screamers instead of disks. Much easier to paint and they look really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Guys im surprised about sorcerer lord on manticore, no one posted list with him. Its only 200 points and with destiny dice got an amazing spell. When you finish destiny dice big Numbers you can infusion arcanum and your manticore Is really strong in combat phase. is this model understimate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 No - I just used him at Blackout - his damage output is feeble (it would be average with Infusion Arcanum). He is a good Tank with Paradoxical Shield. The Spell is too unreliable to use 2 DD on - I had Kairos casting it but would have preferred Gateway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssharkus Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Pink Horror Icon Bearers question. If i roll 1 on battleshock phase - do i still need to loose models to a battleshock, or the battleshock sequence is entirely cancelled and i just add d6 horrors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulsmith Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, ssharkus said: Pink Horror Icon Bearers question. If i roll 1 on battleshock phase - do i still need to loose models to a battleshock, or the battleshock sequence is entirely cancelled and i just add d6 horrors? You have to have lost models to do a battleshock test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssharkus Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Soulsmith said: You have to have lost models to do a battleshock test. So i have 20 pinks loosing 10 bodies, then I roll 1 and return 5 pinks. Do i calculate battleshock for 10 or 15 models? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulsmith Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 16 minutes ago, ssharkus said: So i have 20 pinks loosing 10 bodies, then I roll 1 and return 5 pinks. Do i calculate battleshock for 10 or 15 models? I would think ten, since those five aren't added until post test Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 @Nico so do you think worth put him in a competitive list or not?;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobgoblinclub Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 8 hours ago, ssharkus said: Pink Horror Icon Bearers question. If i roll 1 on battleshock phase - do i still need to loose models to a battleshock, or the battleshock sequence is entirely cancelled and i just add d6 horrors? You lose the models first. Sadly, the 1 doesn't make them immune to battleshock. Some/others just appear. Interestingly, I believe you can technically get wiped by battleshock, momentarily have no unit left and then the new ones appear (unit if 20. 19 die. Roll a one and fail battleshock by 10. Remove the last model and then roll the D6 to see how many appear). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilby Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 hours ago, hobgoblinclub said: You lose the models first. Sadly, the 1 doesn't make them immune to battleshock. Some/others just appear. Interestingly, I believe you can technically get wiped by battleshock, momentarily have no unit left and then the new ones appear (unit if 20. 19 die. Roll a one and fail battleshock by 10. Remove the last model and then roll the D6 to see how many appear). Hmm, wouldn't this be similar to the Skarr Bloodwrath and Ring of Immortality rule though? Where the unit technically died, bringing it back requires paying the points for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherJosh Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Here's he specific rule: "Models in this unit may be Icon Bearers. If you roll a 1 when taking a battleshock test for a unit that includes any Icon Bearers, reality blinks and the daemonic horde is bolstered. Add D6 Pink Horrors to the unit." They have a base bravery of 10. The rule doesn't indicate that they "make a new unit" but that they're reinforcing the unit. So, you gain the models before you loose them to battleshock. so, order appears to be: Step 1) lost models <- Forces Battleshock test Step 2) rolls 1 Step 3) Reinforcement happens Step 4) battleshock results happen Step 5) (Profit ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 For 200 - he's worthwhile within Fatesworn Warband (the Manticore Sorceror). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 -1 rend to everything in the battalion can warrior really strong. It's this applied to mount too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowgra Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Yes! Steed have -1 rend too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 So what was the list for the #2 player? Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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