Lord Krungharr

Thats exciting if we actually are gonna get a new tome and new models?!?! I would also really hope and expect a plastic Shaggoth and Dragon Ogres to up their damage output to be like, well, Ogors. Or at least spit lightning like the dracoths. Plastic Doombull too but hopefully also Bullgors as the most recent plastic ones are kinda weird and almost abstractions somehow. Anyone think the Bray Shaman might switch to be a Priest? That seems somehow more appropriate. Sounds like I need to get some Tuskgor Chariots. Haven't used my Beasts in a long time. Eager to get them out again.

GW doesn't seem to have the lore-bug in their rules like they used to. I mean for Khorne's straight up martial prowess, they should add 1 to their hits or attacks on the charge. For axes, they should be rend -2 or something more deadly on hits of 6. I feel they should also have some sort of kunnin' like Orruks have. At least a few units can attack when they die...and they do anti-magic reasonably well. That's fluffy. I agree the Blood Tithe is cool and should stay, but also agree that it should bank and not cap at 8. Tzeentch's Fate Points certainly don't! And they can easily get 9 of those per turn if they want to. Our stuff has to die to get even close, and the Tithe doesn't make up for lost units, forcing us to take MSUs for ****** just to have Blood Tithe. I think a tally of dead enemy models to donate to the Throne would be better. Depending on the size of the donation you can get a coffee cup, or a set of DVDs, and even a beach towel!

You know I might almost keep my Kragnos just to fight these dragons once. He gets a few buffs when they're nearby. And then I expect him to fail hard and THEN I'll really want to sell him.

I will 2nd that emotion on the Dominion Stormcast grouping. Except that Stormcast are punks and 2 Start Collecting Beastclaw Raiders is the much much much better option.

I think if Tuskbreaker provided a 4 or even 5+ MW ward save that would be enough for me to keep him, but I can use that dough better to round out my Beasts of Chaos and make my last Kraken-Eater. Either one will be more fun.

Gah, he just gets worse and worse. I used Kragnos in 5 games this past weekend, and in game 5 he FINALLY made his points back, or at least a decent chunk by killing Arkhan the Black. Before that he killed 2 Plaguebearers, maybe helped split 12 Pink Horrors, got rid of perhaps 20 Chainrasps, then fell hard to Legion of the First Prince doing absolutely nothing, and finally rolled a 3 when charging Nagash for his stupendous charge effect but was next to Mystical Terrain, and survived with 1 wound left to fight Arkhan and used Finest Hour and All Out Attack. To me he's garbage and I'm selling him off. I wish I would have run 2 more Kraken Eaters instead of him and a Mancrusher.

Did the new Orruks Tome rules get leaked?! I just saw a Bonesplitterz army finish almost last in a 44 person event. That was the old tome though.

Ah yes, the Snowflake award was also known as Sigmar Hardmode, an army composition with fun theme and not especially optimized for competitive combat and also had to win 3 out of 5 games. The DnD award I think was the highest scoring army with the most heroes, which looks like it was a Stormcast army with the full 8 heroes. Monstar was 5 monster heroes, no more, no less. I was the proud winner of Most in the Middle, and he even misspelled my name with an M. Right above that 50% because I won a magnificent roll off with that Tzeentchy guy who tabled me day 1

Had a blast at a big 3K event this past weekend, 2 days, 5 games, all just plain GHB missions. Pretty diverse army variety but strangely, no Lumineth that I saw . No Beasts of Chaos, but I wasn't surprised by that (I shoulda brought mine instead of Sons of Behemat just for funsies). Interesting to note, I brought almost the exact same army as the winning SoB player: Taker Tribe/KrakenEater/Kragnos/1 Mancrusher/3 Gatebreakers, and I think the winning guy had a Warstomper instead of a 3rd Gatebreaker and possibly VeryAcquisitive/w Sandals and Glowy Lantern instead of Extremely Intimidating. ....but he matched up against 3 of the other SoB players (but not vs me). I however started with a grudge match vs my buddy's Nurgle army, then fought Tzeentch Horror spam w Belakor (lost hard there), then Nighthaunt (which was an extreme grind like the first game vs Nurgle), then the Legion of the First Prince (which steamrolled me handily), and finally OBR (which put the nail in the coffin for Kragnos, who rolled a 3 for his big charge effect vs Nagash; though he did manage to kill of Arkhan the Black after like 2 turns, pulled a minor loss on that one, but my Skaven Gatebreaker whooped Nagash like mashed potatoes in turn 5 for a MORAL VICTORY). Certainly true that the matchups make a big difference in who gets on the podium. Notice the kill point spreads too. Possible total was 15000 and the Kharadron guy got the most but did not finish near the top of the standings.

WOWZAH, I wonder if my Sons of Behemat might be in for a Skaven sneak attack this weekend then....going to a 3000 point tournament, 5 games over two days. Should be amazingly brutal.

Wait wait wait, you can hide weapon teams in clanrats?! I haven't ever heard of such a thing. Is that a new Skaven thing from Broken Realms or something?

Here's why I think that (from page 2 of the Core Rules FAQ):

I think the Ogor player's lack of army experience is one big factor (with the other player being a very active tournament player); he also was using Kragnos, and appeared to be too timid with everything. Aggressive behavior is so key with an Ogors army most of the time. I agree, the BCR stampede should probably roll the Stegs...however he was using at least 2 or 3 Thundertusks, and those are fairly meh aside from a Destiny's Child Huskard. The Seraphon magic and 3 or 4 Engine of the Gods did a bunch of stuff too. Apparently the Engines are Priests now and he took Curse and used it to good effect. All Stonehorns all the time! Kragnos is like a FLoSH and a half! Not super sure he's worth that in a BCR stampede.

But if an ability specifies wounds and does not specify mortal wounds, then the ability will not work vs mortal wounds. They specify wounds and mortal wounds in abilities very consistently now, if that was GW's intent. I'm not an Orruks player (yet) but just caught the thread here. That bit on page 72 of the GHB2021 looks to be referring to the time and order of allocation of mortal wounds.

Maybe Troggoth or rat ogre bodies, green stuff fur sticking out of cracks, with Kragnos faces would be a good Yhetee conversions. He comes with 3 faces, and then Kragnos could have just a big rock for a face like he's still got some mountain stuck on him? Saw a Kragnos and Stonehorn/Thundertusk army fight a 10 Stegadon army yesterday (3K points). The Ogors held out for a good while but I think he had some bad rolls, as the last I saw of it was 6 Stegs still standing, a Butcher getting finished off and a Stonehorn remaining. But to be fair he was a first time army player and the Seraphon guy was a super duper experienced player. Still, Stegs are pretty hard counter to Stonehorns, or everything really.

I wouldn't expect the Sandals Kraken-eater to outdamage a Gatebreaker vs those good armor saves, rend -3 is pretty amazing, but hard to argue with computer math.

Yeah, I did that once when I played my practice 3K point game yesterday vs FEC, Blisterskin w 2 Zombie Dragon kings, 3 Terrorgheist heroes, and I think 3x3 crypt flayers, plus 10 Ghouls. He gave me first turn, I forget which mission but was on page 32 of the GHB2021, 3 objectives across the long center line of the table, rolling randomly for alpha objective each battle round. I followed vinnyt's lessons from previous pages: Turn 1: I moved up, running Kragnos/Mancrusher/Kraken Eater to my right objective, scoring Ferocious Advance and all objectives, killing his general with my wounded Gatebreaker before he died, cuz generals just need to die. Then he came all in vs my left Gatebreaker w Manticore Venom, but only got 1 Terrorgheist in w bad charge rolls, took out that guy and scored his tactic and that objective. Turn 2: I got Priority roll, (and continued that for the whole game) Then Savage Spearheaded, moved my Amulet Gatebreaker left with Finest Hour, killed a zombie dragon there and some more Crypt Flayers, also charged my center Gatebreaker into more Crypt Flayers. Regained all objective points. He tried and failed to kill my Amulet Gatebreaker, got my center one down to 24 wounds with Crypt Flayers, his too-far-teleported Terrorgheist moved up but still couldn't reach the left Gatebreaker (his mistake to put him so far back). I think he just kept forgetting to summon stuff, but perhaps for lack of CPs? He scored some tactic but no objective points. Turn 3: This turn was a blur and a quick one, but I got Broken Ranks, left Gatebreaker died to his last charging Terrorgheist in the bottom turn, but not before hurling a boulder at the wounded Terrorgheist's face to kill that off at the top of the turn. Turn 4: I got Priority again, and just wanted to see what Kragnos could do to the last Terrorgheist as he finally got in range to charge having moped across the whole table.......charged it and did 16 MW and SPLAT, game called. Kraken Eater didn't have to do anything except kick his objective, but I had the sandals and -1 to hit on him. Kragnos being so delicate to MW I held back planning to flank the enemy, but enemy decided to avoid him which gave my right flank and easy time of it. As planned! Just with Kragnos was faster, I mean he's got four legs! Love the Bosses of the Stomp, such a gift from the White Dwarf, thanks GW! My grudge match first game of 5 next weekend is vs my friend's ultra resilient Nurgle army. Boulders will try to snipe his support heroes/warshrine. I'm hoping MW on the charge can deal with his GUO. The sea of Plaguebearers will be super annoying, but maybe I can just walk over them with good positioning. Then maybe, just maybe, I'll end up facing the guy with 10 Stegadons?!?! Good times ahead

Seems like most ward saves are on heroes, or are from hero support spells, abilities, or auras. Not sure too many warscrolls besides Nurgle Daemons have native ward saves. But I think some armies have subfactions that have a blanket ward save like that one from Daughters of Khaine maybe, Hag Nar or something? Rend -2 and -3 is certainly handy to have, and will be more so when Stormcast comes out (I predict all Paladin units will be at least 3+ armor with Annhilators being 2+...aside from all their save buff stuff too). So a small unit of great axe Bullgors charging and then striking will be very good. Just getting into combat is the usual problem. Doombull w Rampant Juggernaut helps. Ambushing units to get into combat with the pesky backline enemy shooters will prevent them from shooting afar for a turn or 2. I'll repeat til I'm muted, take a couple allied Mindstealer Cats, and/or the Wildfire Taurus spell. Then multiple Bullgor units can do their charges and strike before being struck back. Assuming they can actually hit their targets on a 4+ 🙄

Looks like the Jabby is almost a suicide bomb. Throw it into a massive unit of something like WitchAelves and they'd mortal wound themselves to death? Still, looks like not a unit I'll make. Cockatrice though, I'm making one! Got some spare old dragony looking wings that aren't too big. Maybe I'll get some more Dragon Ogors too.

I'm gearing up for such a big event and want 3 artifacts, so am not considering drop count at all. Only 6 drops for me anyways

I'm leaning towards Taker Tribe. I forsee many giant monsters and other SoB armies attending my upcoming 3K tournament, so I might need that points near-guarantee of objectives. Even my friend's StD army was able to accomplish plenty of Battle Tactics, so if someone outdoes me there and somehow gets some objectives while making sure I don't, that would suck. Plus -1 to hit on the Kraken-Eater plus the Sandals for him makes him more killy, and nearly as survivable a Gatebreaker with the Portcullis artifact. What say ye!?

I remember reading about Yhetees being good on this forum, and found this link on BoLS about them winning something. AoS List Of The Week: Winterbite Beasts Win Big - Bell of Lost Souls Got Kragnos in there, but might it be better to switch him out for perhaps a Hunter/6 Frost Sabres, maybe a SHBR or another Thundertusk for improved prayers, and something else? Yhetees seem so squishy but are so fast. Their models are kinda meh and expensive though. Trying to think of decent conversion opportunites for them. But in the mean time I could proxy something to try them out. For such a fast alpha strike type of unit I'm thinking at least Battle Regiment/Warlord for a 4 drop would be the way to go but might require like 2 Slaughtermasters/Butchers, which are never a bad thing to have. But a lower drop shooty/magic army could melt all the ice before it can strike.

Long lost army twins

I forgot the Jabberslythe existed! Didn't realize they had changed the warscroll, it used to be like a Belakor substitute to shut thing down randomly. Adding new species to my zoo is appealing though, I'll look to see what bits I can cobble one together with. Cockatrice Finecast version is pretty nice as is and not too expensive usually.

Is including a Chaos Gargant or two in a BoC army just a terrible idea? Or is it better to shave off 10 points and just get a Ghorgon? Or splurge for the Chimera? I guess for Darkwalkers, only the Ghorgon could Ambush right? Interesting points above about handing opponents easy to accomplish Battle Tactics. Hadn't thought of units like that. Guess my allied Mindstealer Sphiranxes are easy monsters to slay, but I find them too useful to not take.