Kaleb Daark

Before my eyeballs refocused I actually thought it was a new Angron sculpt!!! doh

the barbarians are absolutely epic, and the skeletons which were shown in the teasers are going to be just stunning as well. @DantePQ I really think that for GW it's more of a recognisable cliche for the non believer. There's no point preaching to the perverted, you already know the minutae of the factions, but joe walking in off the street sees shiny smashy good guys vs snarly choppy bad guys. easy. the other factions will come, and they'll be all flavours of awesome as well.

True Tom but you don't get overlords in 40k! im going to hold judgement until we've seen all that is to offer as at the moment we're just getting isolated snippets to draw judgement from.

With compendium armies not included my hellcannons will be strictly consigned to chaos dwarf allies. i'll be interested to see how many years it takes for forgeworld to catch up and offer its revisions for ghb2017. I had rather hoped the collectors edition handbook would have included the open war cards as well, just for the sake of keeping the look the same. ill be interested to see the new changes now that reveals are starting to happen.

the sayl comment actually made me laugh out loud I think it'll be ok, especially as all models are post process engineered in cad post scanning - that way you can engineer the split lines and interfaces and even simulate the mold flow characteristics and material and exothermic contraction coefficients. I'd put money on it just playing second fiddle to known money spinners like 30k and Bloodbowl, and who can blame them. Obviously Killax, when they employ you me and @Arkiham to handle their AoS side - naturally my first act will be to mark skin wolves and mammoths (which will go back into production as a twin pack with the curs'd ettin - who will get new fluff in the form of immune to anything a mournghul can spit out because that's their favourite rotting flesh foodstuff). Make fimir Chaos and write a mighty tamurkhan-esque homage campaign rollercoaster which will double as a mighty new battletome for the chaos dwarfs and fimir to boot. tOh and I'll bring Wulfric back and he can seafang teleport automatically himself and any slaves of darkness unit to within 4" of sayl if he's on the table before he takes any action and automatically get to go / hit / auto wound first - even if he doesn't have first turn. ..then all will be good in the nerdosphere.

and yet he's been ruined with the ubiquitous leaping kitty pose that plagues all of the current sculpts that come from the hand of seb perbet. Oh well. Onto more important matters, do we have any more news on the khorne dragon from Forgeworld with skeletor as it's rider?

That is pure awesome especially as the work in progress shots had a rider as well . Happy days

I'm looking forward to the bloodbowl Minotaur, he will make a proper minotaur conversion- he's got proper hooves and everything!

how about the dark elf spear with the fleetmaster sword blade on the end, so it's not a full length spear, but more like a glaive. I think the chaos knight stuff just looks too heavy for them. the kairic mace would be quite cool just with their hands going into the ball as if it was a guard, so the ornate blade is more a cross between a buckler and a punching dagger, buckler much like the blood warriors gore fist thingy.

I knew it! stormcast are sigmar cybermen!

News just in on miniwars about the 40K8th Starter set, with release set to be 17th June with pre-orders up on the 3rd. Comments claim that GHB2 will not be far behind - take the dates with a pinch of salt of course until we have firm evidence.

amazing work... which reminds me...

Honestly? I don't care. I bought it for the model and its the same with my chaos dwarfs - moreso as they were not recognised in 8th ed at whw events until the eve of end times. here's the thing, I don't live my gaming life by what tournaments and events stuff is allowed into. I couldn't care less if SCGT doesn't want me to play it because it's in a compendium, which in many respects if that's the case then everyone relying on Sayl in their chaos armies should be very afraid as he's in the same boat. I wouldn't buy a war mammoth off ebay anyway as it's the provenance one cannot attest to. I had a similar thing with selling some forgeworld mechanicum robots, as it's trying to convince people they're genuine. Luckily for me I've kept every forgeworld bag and shipping invoice so proving genuine was not a problem - that and ebay sellers want nut case money - there are two on at the mo, and they want mega bucks, and neither can prove genuine FW. In my group which amounts to the local store, people are cool with it. mainly because I don't take the pee, and also because they know I'm not in it for the filth - for me rule of cool all the way. You're probably right about it being up in the air, lets face it, it always was, but that's never stopped anyone before. Their compendiums are poorly written, they were the barest minimum effort in order to make sure that people still bought their stuff, and in terms of updates glaciers move quicker, since 30K is their biggest cash till ringer. So what keeps me one of the faithful? - they've released stuff for AoS and yes apart from the fimir it's pretty much cross purpose when you consider the two khorne characters, but they've also released the bull centaur executioner and they didn't have to, same with the Fimir characters which are work in progress, and the khorne lord on dragon, which tells me that simmering in the back ground a nice beautiful book might be on the cards, even if we're all retired when it lands. Wish list? that all chaos models can be marked so as we can buy them and not break allegiance, (a dozen pleading emails for mammoth and skin wolves from me alone! - as they used to be in Arcanum and Tamurkhan), and they make Fimir Chaos once more as their original fluff was that they were the first children of chaos, hence their bitterness at the races that followed.

I think that the gathering storm campaign will be the showcase for new daemon units and models and naturally there will be the cross over to AoS as a result in the same way the tzaangors were. daemons are important because they straddle both systems and new players can dip their toe into the curiosity pool without getting their pockets burnt, especially now that core rules will be free. what gw can't and don't want was what happened under the devil Kirby blackout, where people get nervous and jittery and sales stop stone dead because everyone is waiting. It's already startled to happen at one indi I go into, who has bought over 5k of stock only to have it sat on a shelf and not move. His customers have said that until 8th lands they're not risking buying anything, and the same goes for his AoS and ghb2. the fact the community is being drip fed what's to happen and how things will work is great, and they will hold the rules long before it lands I'm sure. thryve also said 30k players will still stay on 7th but I'm sure that once a conversion book comes out be it free or paid tHe community will migrate naturally to it out of choices because they have nothing to lose. It's the way 8th should have transited to AoS. i also thing that the rules will be of interest as it will also give clues to things that could be implemented or work in future AoS releases. haters gonna hate, but the truth is that 40k players don't have anything to belly ache about, they're having the rebirth we w,ou,d have killed for in fantasy. Theyve learnt the hard w,at from fantasy, now it'll be interesting to see what we can pick up for age of the empermar

But it's still a couple of months away, and by the time it lands you'll know all you need to know- which is what AoS should have been so nobody is walking into it blind or kept in the dark. as for AoS centric, yes, but our day will come.

Yes!!! im super optimistically excited because this is the, new face of the Rowntree era GW. end times and AoS was borne under the dark Claud that was Kirby and I still to this day believe that had AoS happened under Rowntree it would have been released with the generals handbook and a smooth transition that didn't alienate anyone. of course old codexes will be invalidated, but I bet good money that you'll get the rules in them on the data slate for the model and there will be the equivalent of battletomes to give fans of the faction all they need. for me the question will be how it will work with FW and the Horus heresy, but I dare say it will have been long in discussion as its ugh a lucrative element of the cash flow.

so.. you've got a mammoth with a chieftain in it. You happen to have some marauder horsemen. in your hero phase you can get the marauder horsemen to roll d6 and move them that far towards the enemy. if you deployed at the 12" line then with the marauder horsemen's move of 12 + an average of 3, that's 15" move with a 9" javelin range at the end of it. not too shabby especially with their feigned flight ability. not exactly sayl bs, but you probably could get close enough to him to turn him into a pin cushion with some lucky javelin throws.

the mammoth is a lot bigger than the Mammuk, which is in turn a lot bigger than a stonehorn. I'm fortunate in that I managed to shoehorn a mammoth out of my friends' brother's paws, however I know he needed the cash so we left it at if he ever wanted it back he could buy it back for the price he sold it at, and thus, now I have two I just really want the marks to return to them and the skin wolves for no other selfish motivation than I want all my army mortal khorne. If not, then hey ho, chaos allegiance it is - because, looks cool. I would heckle their FB page but I don't do FB anymore since my old page got hacked, so I'm a bit wary of their 'security' now.

So where does it stop? we already have guys that will argue that the second rank always attacks because they squeeze in the gap in the middle of two other models, who when moving a wood out of the way will park models on where the tree was. So this dude makes the fact that a 32mm base shouldn't let him hit a bit academic. today it's minutiae of bases, tomorrow it'll be that and the next day it'll be another thing. until you have a game with one build and one cheese to rule them all as 8th became, and them those same people who brought it to that will decry the game/faction/colour of cheese as being broken and what a rubbish game its become. @Auticus I agree, and like you won't rebase on somebody's say so. One day I will rebase, but it will be a long way off. theres a lot of great stuff in this thread but there's also a lot of "I'd win if the rules were like this" bs. Let's not turn it into what was left behind or go down the road of the CCG's. everything here in this thread should enrich the gaming and the model ownership experience, not the scoresheet of rank chasers. War gaming and role playing was around long before tournaments and I don't recall struggling to have a great time back then.. but then you just had to use common sense rather than be spoon fed. ...and calm.

or perhaps we say that if unit A is involved in melee, then any troops in unit A NOT engaged in melee are free to shoot over at hero B, otherwise, they cannot shoot at all unless their warscroll says otherwise, and even then, only at the unit they are in melee with - like chaos dwarf fireglaives, who's melee weapon is also their firearm.

So the cinematic dream comes closer, marauder raiders battalion warscroll from Warriors of Chaos Compendium three units of 40 mareavers because khorne, two units of horsemen a warshrine and some skin wolves ... and two mammoths. and my campaign is up two bodies, great, we can start piling the pressure on now! I've sent a couple of emails now we might have to get the big guns out and start heckling on their facebook page!

well in the original Tamurkhan book the mammoth could take a mark and had the choice of being a troop carrier (howdah) or warshrine carrier - which was mentalness as you suddendly had the thing rocking a ward save on top of everything else. In arcanum the skin wolves were again allowed the options of being marked. I do believe that the only reason we don't see more creatures of chaos in armies is because they potentially break allegiances. I'm currently working on the marauder army I always wanted now that the bloodreavers are here, and hence my warshrine conversion and mammoth work. The final touch will be skin wolves. I so dearly want them to be able to keep khorne mortal allegiance but currently the best I can hope for is chaos. as even the skin wolves will break Slaves to darkness.

don't worry, I'm running a one man campaign to get FW to return the marks on the mammoth and skin wolves! if we're really lucky it might become a two or three man campaign one day

The only thing I can moan about is that in fantasy as was, they could be marked, now they can't, but they are great fun.

I've just read and re-read that battalion. they don't even have to stay near him, just be in range when he opens the portal... epic. I'm looking forward to this book. If we could have marked beastmen, minotaurs, skin wolves and mammoths life would be complete... well on a nerd level at least