Karchev23 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Gday all, Im new to AOS ( WHFB refugee), and ive just started with BCR's. I love the new fluff and ive always been a big fan of Ogres *COUGH* Ogors.... However, what I keep hearing aswell as from reading from the Tome is that they are exetreeeemely Over powered which brings me to my point. Will people lose enjoyment in the game due to somebody playing BCR? - My reason for saying this is because i despise power gamers, people who only care about winning. I also play 40k and i see it alot and its gotten to the stage that i simply lost interest in it. I dont want to be "that guy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 I reckon there's a vast difference between "Hey I have a bunch of Frost Sabres" and "Breh I've got 4 Thundertusks, eat 28 Mortal Wounds at range Turn 1". If you can find a happy middle ground between those extremes you shouldn't be the dreaded guy. People usually struggle with the concept of elite armies, because most of the time you can't 'do anything to them' (kill them). The reason is when you drop ONE MODEL from an elite army such as this, that's a large amount of the total list - but still is just one model and doesn't feel like any progress. And likewise those 5 models or whatever is outputting an entire armies worth of damage, which doesn't "feel" right when the opponent uses their own strong models and can't get half as far, though they are half the points. It's mostly a feeling thing! I had the same problem w/Imperial Knights in 40k, oh boy oh boy did I catch a lot of flakk even as I was losing the games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 BCR aren't an adaptable faction. With such a low model count, you'll come up against a few scenarios that you just won't be able to win (unless of course you table the other army, which is doable with BCR). Right now in AOS there is a large power range, BCR being near the top. I wouldn't worry about it - they're one of... three? Factions with new battle tomes with all the bells and whistles, eventually with the GW power creep they'll fall back down. That being said, I don't really like playing against power gamers. I don't play exclusively to win (if I did, I wouldn't run mostly Greenskinz), but getting steamrolled isn't fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emicus Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 One of two* actually. It's as fresh as it gets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thediceabide Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 On 8/20/2016 at 4:50 PM, Emicus said: One of two* actually. It's as fresh as it gets! Beastclaw, Sylvaneth, and Bonesplitterz, so one of 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordDrakonus Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 If you're playing straight kill than maybe, but BCR will struggle with objectives. My 2k list can't win a major on take and hold. Only 8 models..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Quote unless of course you table the other army The major victory rules stated in the battleplans are exclusive. The major victory for killing everything and all the other stuff (the old Triumphs, sudden death rules) in the 4 pages of rules about winning are not included in matched play by default (somewhere they answered this in an FAQ or FB page). This is very much a good thing as it discourages low model count broken lists that do nothing but kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus65 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 8 hours ago, LordDrakonus said: If you're playing straight kill than maybe, but BCR will struggle with objectives. My 2k list can't win a major on take and hold. Only 8 models..... 4 hours ago, Nico said: The major victory rules stated in the battleplans are exclusive. The major victory for killing everything and all the other stuff (the old Triumphs, sudden death rules) in the 4 pages of rules about winning are not included in matched play by default (somewhere they answered this in an FAQ or FB page). This is very much a good thing as it discourages low model count broken lists that do nothing but kill. Do you mean that beast claw raiders (or better, beast claw raiders monsters) are not so competitive, and it's better/necessary mixing them with other destruction units? I'm working on a 2k list with frostlord on stonehorn, two huskards on thundertusk, one stonehorn and two mournfang packs, but seems to me that in some missions things won't be easy at all.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Tomlin Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 8 hours ago, LordDrakonus said: If you're playing straight kill than maybe, but BCR will struggle with objectives. My 2k list can't win a major on take and hold. Only 8 models..... Yeh pretty much this. Pure BCR is hugely powerful offensively, but perhaps doesn't hold up in all the Matched Play battleplans (or any Battleplans that aren't just kill missions). Mixing in some generic Destruction battleline is where they will shine. @Cowboy Boots Matt has some interesting ideas around this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Given that the Destruction Allegiance pack looks better than the BCR one, you don't lose much by mixing it up. Why am I helping da filth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 My current list on paper is a Skal with ttusks and yhetee. Gives that up front power with a mix of debuffs plus deepstriking to counter back ground stuff or snag objectives or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus65 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 32 minutes ago, Malakithe said: My current list on paper is a Skal with ttusks and yhetee. Gives that up front power with a mix of debuffs plus deepstriking to counter back ground stuff or snag objectives or whatever. This is a very interesting argument: but I must absolutely find yhetee alternative models! I only have three of them (finecast), and they are one of worst GW models, in my opinion.. I can't even think of buying others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Ferrus65 said: This is a very interesting argument: but I must absolutely find yhetee alternative models! I only have three of them (finecast), and they are one of worst GW models, in my opinion.. I can't even think of buying others Oh I agree with the models lol but yeah send the yhetees in ahead of the ttusks to tie up whatever is in front. The run+charge+reroll charge(thanks to frost lord) means they will get where is needed fairly quickly. Plus the -1 to hit for everything near the ttusks and yhetees. That's your up front power. Then you have that ambushing hunter with his pack of 4 buffed cats. Even if the beefed up run+shoot super spear doesn't hit they will quickly have a pack of cats in their face. Bye bye artillery, hello objectives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus65 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 21 hours ago, Malakithe said: Oh I agree with the models lol but yeah send the yhetees in ahead of the ttusks to tie up whatever is in front. The run+charge+reroll charge(thanks to frost lord) means they will get where is needed fairly quickly. Plus the -1 to hit for everything near the ttusks and yhetees. That's your up front power. Then you have that ambushing hunter with his pack of 4 buffed cats. Even if the beefed up run+shoot super spear doesn't hit they will quickly have a pack of cats in their face. Bye bye artillery, hello objectives! On the board, they are both very interesting, and I'm seriously considering them specially for low points game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I have a 2k list that sounds pretty good in theory with the ttusks, yhetees, and skal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Tomlin Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I didn't mind the Yhetees when they were first released in WFB 6th edition, however since those times the models have unfortunately aged pretty poorly. On top of that they are now finecast, which is a horrible material to work with. It's a bit of a missed opportunity as I reckon GW could've made some phenomenal models for these. I wonder what sort of alternatives are out there? I've attached a photo of the Heresy Ice Troll which is pretty cool. There's possibly some Hordes Trollblood models you could use and I'm sure Reaper would do something that would fit the bill. The Malifaux Snowstorm is awesome but pretty static so would take work for a whole unit to look interesting. Same with their Ice Golem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus65 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Thank you Chris, I was buying on ebay reaper miniatures/ bones series three ice trolls, but I didn't find an agreement with the seller. They are really 'basic' (and static) , but not so different from GW ones, and cost almost 1/3 .. I'm looking for other alternative models, Crocodile Models Wendigo seems interesting, but I must understand if they are one piece or must be assembled, I don't love metal kits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I'll need to take a look at those too. My list will need 6 at a minimum do far. Of course I could be super lazy and just get 2 icewind assault boxes and call it done lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thediceabide Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 It's sounding like BCR heroes on behemoths backed up with savage orruks for battleline is going to be popular. It already did very well at the Alliance tournament in the UK, this list came in 2nd out of over 50 players: Frostlord on Stonehorn Frostlord on Stonehorn Frostlord on Stonehorn Thundertusk Beastriders 10 Savage Orruks 10 Savage Orruks 10 Savage orruks Comes to 2000 even, doesn't take max Thundertusks, but 3 Stonehorns is pretty damn tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 1 hour ago, thediceabide said: It's sounding like BCR heroes on behemoths backed up with savage orruks for battleline is going to be popular. It already did very well at the Alliance tournament in the UK, this list came in 2nd out of over 50 players: Frostlord on Stonehorn Frostlord on Stonehorn Frostlord on Stonehorn Thundertusk Beastriders 10 Savage Orruks 10 Savage Orruks 10 Savage orruks Comes to 2000 even, doesn't take max Thundertusks, but 3 Stonehorns is pretty damn tough. How does that even work lol Sounds like it would 'wtfsmash' everything until it came up against something with actual tactics. What was the placement scoring based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thediceabide Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 32 minutes ago, Malakithe said: How does that even work lol Sounds like it would 'wtfsmash' everything until it came up against something with actual tactics. What was the placement scoring based on? No idea to all of the above, gotta ask @Ben, haha. He briefly covered it on his podcast: http://baddice.co.uk/age-sigmar-tournament-army-lists-alliance-ep-147/ Looks like Tournament points with Victory Points as the tiebreaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 It's ridiculous that Savage Orruks are 20 wounds for 100 points and Zombros are 20 wounds for 120 points and don't have any save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 But the need for pure is so strong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysandestolpe Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 5 hours ago, Nico said: It's ridiculous that Savage Orruks are 20 wounds for 100 points and Zombros are 20 wounds for 120 points and don't have any save. Yeah, but Flesh Eater Courts have a bit more variation in their units such as Zombie Dragon's (behemoths) which I believe gives them reason to cost slightly more for their battleline units. It could also be how to use them with existing command abilities. I could also be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flogger Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 My 1500p list is: 1 Frostlord on Stonehorn 4 Mournfangs 2 Mournfangs 1 Thundertusk Beastriders Beastclaw avalanche battalion So 8 models at 1500p. But I really don't enjoy playing Battlehost lists, more than 2 behemoths or 2 Artillery seems way too much IMO. Vanguard suits me more. We're arranging tourneys here with 2000p Vanguard lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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