Overread Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 To be fair to Batistotti (who did some great work on the new furies) he might have only known part of the truth. Honestly the way that GW has released rules for all the forces so far and not just Chaos as well as the terrain packs suggests to me that it is Killteam in all but name. It might be that only chaos was getting unique models for it (though even they are clearly designed to perfectly fit into Slaves to Darkness in the future tome); though overall I think that its going to be a chaos themed Killteam. The terrain packs for it are pretty neutral - barring the core set most could be from anywhere in the Realms. It might have stared out chaos only and then evolved as other elements got brought in; esp once the other races got a foodhold with rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obaobaboss Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 hours ago, gabbi said: Me too. And Fimirs in Destruction! Fimir should return to Chaos. I am never going to accept this change! NEVER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldarain Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 We'll trade you Skaven for them. I know they have some thematic Chaos connections but they seem like more of a gnawing at the roots of society force of Destruction to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acid_Nine Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I know there were no other demons, but I really wish chaos had slaanesh stuff in this book too. Kinda feels weird without it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrdin Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Does anyone have a working link with the listing ? Seems the one posted here is no longer viable. As someone who got the Untamed Beasts cards, in order to use my Beastmen (you can pretty much proxy every single model from Untamed Beasts for an existing BoC model, even without converting. If you do convert there is literally no unit from that warband you cant make), I`d be more than happy to get me the proper BoC ones instead of those human Beastmen wannabees Also - I`d love to add a Tzaangor to my Corvus Cabal, painted in their warbands colors. ^ ^ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dew Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Boxed-Games?N=1339748208+4111265109&Nr=AND(sku.siteId%3AUS_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_US_gw)&Nrs=collection()%2Frecord[product.startDate+<%3D+1568188920000+and+product.endDate+>%3D+1568188920000] You can go on the GW site and search war-cry and filter allies. Here is the list. it will only show the characters that can be purchased individually. There are a few like the FEC Abhorrent Ghoul King which won't show up here because that model comes with the zombie dragon. I'm sure there are a couple others in the same situation I can't think of right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FractalRain Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Mercenaries Stormcast Eternals: Knight-Heraldor Knight-Questor Knight-Vexillor Lord-Celestant Lord-Veritant Lord-Castellant Idoneth Deepkin: Isharann Tidecaster Isharann Soulscryer Isharann Soulrender Daughter of Khaine: Slaughter Queen Hag Queen Nighthaunt: Lord-Executioner Knight of Shrouds Spirit Torment Legions of Nagash: Wight King Tomb Banshee Cairn Wraith Necromancer Flesh-eater Courts: Abhorrant Ghoul King Gloomspite Gitz: Fungoid Cave-Shaman Gobbapalooza (probably counts as 5) Ironjawz: Megaboss Weirdnob Shaman Warchanter Bonesplitters: Savage Big Boss Khorne: Exalted Deathbringer with Impaling Spear Exalted Deathbringer with Ruinous Axe Skullgrinder Aspiring Deathbringer with Goreaxe and Skullhammer Slaughterpriest with Hackblade and Wrath-hammer Slaughterpriest Nurgle: Lord of Plagues Lord of Blights Tzeentch: Gaunt Summoner Gaunt Summoner on Disc of Tzeentch Ogroid Thaumaturge Tzaangor Shaman Magister Slaves to Darkness: Chaos Sorcerer Lord Chaos Lord Darkoath Chieftain Darkoath Warqueen Beasts of Chaos: Great Bray-Shaman Skaven: Grey Seer Clawlord Monsters: Chaos Gargant Ghorgon Cygor Skitterstrand Arachnaroks War Hydras Kharibdysses Terrorgheists Zombie Dragons Chimera Chaos Beasts: Chaos Spawns Chaos Warhounds Razorgors 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FractalRain Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Entertaining: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/11/monsters-mercenaries-our-favourite-eight-pointsgw-homepage-post-3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, FractalRain said: Stormcast Eternals: Knight-Heraldor Knight-Questor Knight-Vexillor Lord-Celestant Lord-Veritant Lord-Castellant Weird choice not to add the Knight Zephyros, the foot hero from the Vanguard faction. 🤔 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ference89 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 27 minutes ago, Kramer said: Weird choice not to add the Knight Zephyros, the foot hero from the Vanguard faction. 🤔 Maybe that is because she is a named hero. All other are generic heroes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, Ference89 said: Maybe that is because she is a named hero. All other are generic heroes. No Neave Blacktalon is the named hero. The Knight Zephyros is the regular character with separate rules (differentiated by the helmeted head visually) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReubenM Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Kramer said: Weird choice not to add the Knight Zephyros, the foot hero from the Vanguard faction. 🤔 The Vanguard can't take a single model from the book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FractalRain Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, ReubenM said: The Vanguard can't take a single model from the book. That is likely an error, but we'll have to wait and see if the symbol was a misprint or intentional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, ReubenM said: The Vanguard can't take a single model from the book. Wait do you mean Varanguard? Because, unless I'm mixing up the terms, all the stormcast are from the Vanguard. Except for the heroes list in the mercenary expansion of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReubenM Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Kramer said: Wait do you mean Varanguard? Because, unless I'm mixing up the terms, all the stormcast are from the Vanguard. Except for the heroes list in the mercenary expansion of course. The Stormcast Runemark in the Allies section is for Warrior Chambers, not Vanguard Stormcast. So RAW they can't include any allies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarfAtTheMoon Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, ReubenM said: The Stormcast Runemark in the Allies section is for Warrior Chambers, not Vanguard Stormcast. So RAW they can't include any allies. I don't believe that the rules split them between factions, just grand alliances. So you'd be able to use the stormcast hero allies with any order warband. Unless I'm totally missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReubenM Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, BarfAtTheMoon said: I don't believe that the rules split them between factions, just grand alliances. So you'd be able to use the stormcast hero allies with any order warband. Unless I'm totally missing something. The Grand alliances section tells you what Runemarks can take what. No Vanguard icon is present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarfAtTheMoon Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I haven't seen the actual rules yet, just the quick glimpse of that page on the GMG preview. I'll have to go back and attempt to zoom in to make sure I understand where that rule is stated. Do you have the book already? Is there somewhere else where you're seeing those rules explained the way you're stating them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReubenM Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 minute ago, BarfAtTheMoon said: I haven't seen the actual rules yet, just the quick glimpse of that page on the GMG preview. I'll have to go back and attempt to zoom in to make sure I understand where that rule is stated. Do you have the book already? Is there somewhere else where you're seeing those rules explained the way you're stating them? Well they mentioned this in the GMG review but yes. The Ally page doesn't actually mention Grand Alliances at all, although the groupings are very obviously by AoS Grand Alliance. The Vanguard symbol is absent, as it is from the Monster allegiances as well, where the grand alliance names are mentioned but only in reference to the Monsters, not the Warbands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramer Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, ReubenM said: Well they mentioned this in the GMG review but yes. The Ally page doesn't actually mention Grand Alliances at all, although the groupings are very obviously by AoS Grand Alliance. The Vanguard symbol is absent, as it is from the Monster allegiances as well, where the grand alliance names are mentioned but only in reference to the Monsters, not the Warbands. Didnt watch the review (yet) but I get your point now. Thanks for the heads up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReubenM Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 There are some bonkers abilities for the allies too, such that it makes me question how carefully they were written. The Darkoath Chieftan ability lets you add the Value to the Damage of each hit and crit for a DOUBLE. As he has 5 attacks, if you've got a double 6 (not a particularly difficult bar to pass) you can potentially do 55 points of damage on a single attack, and probably pretty reliably do 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acid_Nine Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 3 hours ago, ReubenM said: There are some bonkers abilities for the allies too, such that it makes me question how carefully they were written. The Darkoath Chieftan ability lets you add the Value to the Damage of each hit and crit for a DOUBLE. As he has 5 attacks, if you've got a double 6 (not a particularly difficult bar to pass) you can potentially do 55 points of damage on a single attack, and probably pretty reliably do 24. yea, that can get out of hand I think. I wish it was more like the aspiring death bringer's. It's a higher cost, and uses only half of the ability value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimrock Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Acid_Nine said: yea, that can get out of hand I think. I wish it was more like the aspiring death bringer's. It's a higher cost, and uses only half of the ability value. But the aspiring deathbringer affects all friendlies within 8, potentially way more devastating than a single model's attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrdin Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 I wonder about the Tzaangor shaman. Any leaks on the abilities ? Also and this is a important question - does he come on the Disc ? There is no foot version of this guy, and unlike the other tzaangors, his body and the disc are not separate entities you can magnetize, rather his body is partially casted together with the disc. Not impossible to convert, but a pain in the a*ss nonetheless, plus you are running the risk of damaging a not exactly cheap miniature. Overall though, as far as I see the use of this book, will be mostly campaign one for me. And occasional scenarios with its units/rules added. It seems to me the balance is all over the place, and I dont care for people super cheesing a small format game like this... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarfAtTheMoon Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 There is a leak, but I can't read it. Looks like all of the Tzeentch allies have a pooled ability chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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