Garrac Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 9 minutes ago, Nezzhil said: But AoS Starter boxes usually have more models and smaller than 40k Starter boxes. I mean, it is more reliable we are gonna get 1 Clawlord mounted, 1 armoured Warlock, 20 clanrats, 10 vermins, 3 rat ogors and 3 jezzails I dont think we should use AoS boxes for reference on this one, but 40k and 30k. GW seems to want to big on this one. Also, again: we know that, acording to Whitefang, there are both a grey seer and a clawlord on this box. This is goign to get BIG. Alltho, I reckon it didnt occur to me that the clawlord could be riding a rat ogre, which would be an alternative for the avatar-thing. This is going to be a 200 euros box, guys, clashy, gold, that goes to-to-toe with Leviathan patterns. Mark my words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, Garrac said: I dont think we should use AoS boxes for reference on this one, but 40k and 30k. GW seems to want to big on this one. Also, again: we know that, acording to Whitefang, there are both a grey seer and a clawlord on this box. This is goign to get BIG. Alltho, I reckon it didnt occur to me that the clawlord could be riding a rat ogre, which would be an alternative for the avatar-thing. This is going to be a 200 euros box, guys, clashy, gold, that goes to-to-toe with Leviathan patterns. Mark my words. Why is big this one? How do you know it is different to Dominion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 7 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: What about Vandus being part of the box? Seems a pretty obvious inclusion to me. From Whitefang hints Vandus is going to die ! Sigmar lied ! Stormcast are not eternal ! not even Vandus ! Ruination chamber incoming ! 💀 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Nezzhil said: Why is big this one? How do you know it is different to Dominion? Because GW had ridiculous high expectations for Leviathan and not only did it overcame them, but also reached new levels in a matter of hours. Because GW will most likely not expect Vermintide to sell like Dominion (however it did) but will want it to reach a mere fraction of that success. And same did 30k on 2022. If GW's is managed by business people, they must know that AoS has room to grow, and they must have learned one lesson from all of this: if you want a starter box to sell bonkers, you must go bonkers. And you don't do that by doing a simple and humble box... Edited March 13 by Garrac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, cyrus said: From Whitefang hints Vandus is going to die ! Sigmar lied ! Stormcast are not eternal ! not even Vandus ! Ruination chamber incoming ! 💀 True! I forgot about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 13 minutes ago, Garrac said: I dont think we should use AoS boxes for reference on this one, but 40k and 30k. GW seems to want to big on this one. Also, again: we know that, acording to Whitefang, there are both a grey seer and a clawlord on this box. This is goign to get BIG. Alltho, I reckon it didnt occur to me that the clawlord could be riding a rat ogre, which would be an alternative for the avatar-thing. This is going to be a 200 euros box, guys, clashy, gold, that goes to-to-toe with Leviathan patterns. Mark my words. Yeah. I agree it would be a 200 € box (same pricing as Leviathan for those that don't use €), but I would still look at Dominion as the reference box for the new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaellas Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Not Vandus, no, but it could still be a generic Lord Celestant on Dracolith like Vandus was as part of the updated Warrior chamber with the chance of Vandus returning in a new manner later similar Ionus going from Relictor to Goth icon on fire beast. Not necessarily with a new dragon friend but maybe something else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 11 minutes ago, Garrac said: Because GW had ridiculous high expectations for Leviathan and not only did it overcame them, but also reached new levels in a matter of hours. Because GW will most likely not expect Vermintide to sell like Dominion (however it did) but will want it to reach a mere fraction of that success. And same did 30k on 2022. If GW's is managed by business people, they must have learned one lesson from all of this: if you want a starter box to sell bonkers, you must go bonkers. And you don't do that by doing a simple and humble box... Dominion was a 200€ box too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 A few thoughts on a few things. Encouraged to see a continuation of the £85 price point for the Vanguard > Spearhead transition. With a 20% discount that is £68, which is a decent entry point to a faction. (If Spearhead does in fact become an AoS Combat Patrol game type) I'm a little torn on the rumours that AoS will launch in Aqshy. Whilst I would like to see another realm explored more deeply, I also don't think it is necessary to "theme" an edition around a particular realm. I would actually like to see updates and goings-on from all the different realms across an edition. I think having a narrative (Dawnbringers) spread across 6 books is too many. I would prefer to see 3 shorter narrative campaigns with a beginning middle and end spread throughout an edition. Say, Narrative one - Summer 2025 June, July, August Narrative two - Summer 2026 June, July, August Narrative three - Spring 2027 March, April, May It would allow for an expansion of the number of publications (to make lovely monies) you could set each one in a different realm and I just feel that having three (thicker) books with a more concise narrative would work better than what they currently have going. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, Nezzhil said: Dominion was a 200€ box too No. It was a 155 € one: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, Ejecutor said: No. It was a 155 € one: I mean, on that time was that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Nezzhil said: Dominion was a 200€ box too It is, but, after 9th and 10th, does it look like one tho? Granted, I may just be coping. But I keep thinking GW will want to go bonkers on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Hollow said: A few thoughts on a few things. Encouraged to see a continuation of the £85 price point for the Vanguard > Spearhead transition. With a 20% discount that is £68, which is a decent entry point to a faction. (If Spearhead does in fact become an AoS Combat Patrol game type) I'm a little torn on the rumours that AoS will launch in Aqshy. Whilst I would like to see another realm explored more deeply, I also don't think it is necessary to "theme" an edition around a particular realm. I would actually like to see updates and goings-on from all the different realms across an edition. I think having a narrative (Dawnbringers) spread across 6 books is too many. I would prefer to see 3 shorter narrative campaigns with a beginning middle and end spread throughout an edition. Say, Narrative one - Summer 2025 June, July, August Narrative two - Summer 2026 June, July, August Narrative three - Spring 2027 March, April, May It would allow for an expansion of the number of publications (to make lovely monies) you could set each one in a different realm and I just feel that having three (thicker) books with a more concise narrative would work better than what they currently have going. The problem with this is that we got the cancelled Gallet book, so we cannot say that something on those lines was not the initial plan, and who knows if there were even plans for more Book + Incarnate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Btw, Im gonna clearify Im going to talk about this box as Vermintide, but it may end up getting another name. Hope it's Vermintide tho. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezzhil Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, Garrac said: It is, but, after 9th and 10th, does it look like one tho? Granted, I may just be coping. But I keep thinking GW will want to go bonkers on this one. They thought that Dominion box was bonkers too 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just now, Nezzhil said: They thought that Dominion box was bonkers too Im sorry but Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 8 minutes ago, Nezzhil said: Dominion was a 200€ box too No Dominion was 155 € But I am sure new box will be 200€ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollow Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 minute ago, Ejecutor said: The problem with this is that we got the cancelled Gallet book, so we cannot say that something on those lines was not the initial plan, and who knows if there were even plans for more Book + Incarnate. Gallet could have been pushed for several reasons. GW logistics were majorly screwed at the time. We might see it reworked in AoS 4. GW tends to come back to things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Taylor Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 3 minutes ago, Garrac said: Btw, Im gonna clearify Im going to talk about this box as Vermintide, but it may end up getting another name. Hope it's Vermintide tho. I was going to say it probably won't due to Fat Shark having the trademark but then I remembered it's a licence from GW so they own it! I think it's unlikely though to remove any confusion with the game. (would be really cool though!!!) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hollow said: Gallet could have been pushed for several reasons. GW logistics were majorly screwed at the time. We might see it reworked in AoS 4. GW tends to come back to things. If GW comes back to the idea of Season of War books we would have the approach that you mentioned, but extended. Initial: Core book with its lore update. Midway: Seasons of war. End: Dawnbringer's like campaigns. Edited March 13 by Ejecutor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Gaz Taylor said: I was going to say it probably won't due to Fat Shark having the trademark but then I remembered it's a licence from GW so they own it! I think it's unlikely though to remove any confusion with the game. (would be really cool though!!!) If it's not then it may probably be "*something* Great Horned Rat/Sigmar *something*", mostly after how the lore on the skaven battletome ended Im gonna add that given how many Vermintide and TWHWH skaven fans are out there in the wild, calling the box Vermintide if possible would be a very good marketing decission. Edited March 13 by Garrac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerekKruger Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 41 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: What about Vandus being part of the box? Seems a pretty obvious inclusion to me. I'd love to see him get a new mini that's not got that early AoS stormcast aesthetic, so hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Tchan tchan tchan... Unleash the countdown sneak peek pictures! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrus Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 39 minutes ago, Garrac said: I dont think we should use AoS boxes for reference on this one, but 40k and 30k. GW seems to want to big on this one. Also, again: we know that, acording to Whitefang, there are both a grey seer and a clawlord on this box. This is goign to get BIG. Alltho, I reckon it didnt occur to me that the clawlord could be riding a rat ogre, which would be an alternative for the avatar-thing. This is going to be a 200 euros box, guys, clashy, gold, that goes to-to-toe with Leviathan patterns. Mark my words. I think it will be big as Leviathan too : so roughly 25 Stormcast and 47 Skaven ! Spoiler I really hope Stormcast contain at least a ruination chamber unit and not "just boring" refresh of liberators/retributors/prosecutors in thunderstrike armour. Sigmar lied ! 💀 Spoiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 2 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Tchan tchan tchan... Unleash the countdown sneak peek pictures! Teaser images should start this saturday, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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