ScionOfOssia Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 I would like to add that all these beloved models getting cut but the bloody Krondspine Incarnate still being around shows that if nothing else, GW has a sense of humor. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasshpit Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 @Ejecutor If you mean the commemorative killaboss and the stomcast wizard they're only available for a month and I got mine less than a week after they went on sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, Vasshpit said: @Ejecutor If you mean the commemorative killaboss and the stomcast wizard they're only available for a month and I got mine less than a week after they went on sale. Did you? Ha. I thought we would have to wait months: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, ScionOfOssia said: I would like to add that all these beloved models getting cut but the bloody Krondspine Incarnate still being around shows that if nothing else, GW has a sense of humor. I like it! I would love for both the Endless Spells and Incarnate ranges to get expanded. With a proper balance, they are an interesting addition to the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 minutes ago, Vasshpit said: @Ejecutor If you mean the commemorative killaboss and the stomcast wizard they're only available for a month and I got mine less than a week after they went on sale. yeah I also got my killaboss pretty fast, I'm guessing they already had a selection of stock and any orders exceeding that will go to be printed and shipped later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagged Red Lines Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 27 minutes ago, CommissarRotke said: if they're doing this for a LARGE chunk of squatted models, why wouldn't they include more of existing Legends during their rewrites..? Once again: the squatted models are not going to legends. They're getting matched play rules. Those rules cease being matched play legal next year. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 They all get Index rules though Indexes are just placeholders in the end for battletomes. You would just hope that the parity between Index and battletome isn’t that vast for the remaining life of those AoS armies. TBF I think only like 1/3 of the armies will be updated by summer 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasshpit Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 @Ejecutor @Luperci Yeaaah, I may have bought three Zagnogs. 😅 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 46 minutes ago, Vasshpit said: @Ejecutor @Luperci Yeaaah, I may have bought three Zagnogs. 😅 I wonder if Grombi will be limited to X per user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 hour ago, Jagged Red Lines said: Once again: the squatted models are not going to legends. They're getting matched play rules. Those rules cease being matched play legal next year. Nobody wondering why all these things are getting squatted? Do we expect something to happen that causes this change/removal of armies? Some kind of mid season narrative campaign? Just give me a renewed BoC and reimagined/ integrated BS please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 5 minutes ago, Gitzdee said: Nobody wondering why all these things are getting squatted? Do we expect something to happen that causes this change/removal of armies? Some kind of mid season narrative campaign? Just give me a renewed BoC and reimagined/ integrated BS please. Would be nice if there's some lore explanation, but GW also could go radio silence. Like what happened with Wanderers. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pitzok Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, Jagged Red Lines said: He'll get a 3rd edition warscroll, as he'll be released next month. GW has no history of updating legends warscrolls. Because of changes to bravery and other mechanics, all 3rd edition legends warscrolls will automatically become invalid at the turn of the edition. Therefore Grombrindal will automatically become invalid at 4th edition. That's not quite true. While legends warscrolls haven't been updated for 3rd edition, they were still usable in the 3rd edition ruleset and technically didn't need an update even if they were horrible. And, they did update legends datasheets for 10th edition 40k, at least quite a lot of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elescapo Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 hours ago, Jagged Red Lines said: GW has no history of updating legends warscrolls. On the contrary, they have done this before. Greenskinz, Order Draconis, Swifthawk Agents, and others that were already Legends by the end of 2nd edition were updated at the start of 3e to make them consistent with edition changes, particularly the way that command abilities work. They weren’t comprehensive; earlier Legends weren’t updated, such as Bretonnians and Tomb Kings. They also didn’t put a whole lot of work into these updates, but they did update them, which is the key point. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScionOfOssia Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 13 minutes ago, Gitzdee said: Nobody wondering why all these things are getting squatted? Do we expect something to happen that causes this change/removal of armies? Some kind of mid season narrative campaign? Just give me a renewed BoC and reimagined/ integrated BS please. Bonesplittaz are killed when their tattoos turn out to be no match for Skaven bullets, and the BoC are grabbed by a giant hand and dragged back to the Old World. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 11 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Would be nice if there's some lore explanation, but GW also could go radio silence. Like what happened with Wanderers. Yes thats is true, but they did get replaced by one of the biggest army refreshes GW has done so far. So im wondering what BoC and BS get replaced by or made room for. Silent people? Frazzlegitz? Something weird? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 2 minutes ago, Gitzdee said: Yes thats is true, but they did get replaced by one of the biggest army refreshes GW has done so far. So im wondering what BoC and BS get replaced by or made room for. Silent people? Frazzlegitz? Something weird? Chorfs, if we speak about releases around the same time that they disappear. If not, probably BoC with Kragnos destro army and BS with what we already got for IJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 16 minutes ago, Gitzdee said: Nobody wondering why all these things are getting squatted? Do we expect something to happen that causes this change/removal of armies? Some kind of mid season narrative campaign? Just give me a renewed BoC and reimagined/ integrated BS please. Well going by history Greenskinz/wanderers/swifthawk agents: exist in the background but rarely mentioned again if at all Gitmob: exists in the background but did came back with one mini Lion rangers/order Draconis/ Eldritch council : umm we forgot about these guys Phonecium: your city get blown up 3 minutes ago, Gitzdee said: Yes thats is true, but they did get replaced by one of the biggest army refreshes GW has done so far. So im wondering what BoC and BS get replaced by or made room for. Silent people? Frazzlegitz? Something weird? probably Chorfs, Kruleboyz seperate, or maybe kragnos army Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 13 minutes ago, elescapo said: On the contrary, they have done this before. Greenskinz, Order Draconis, Swifthawk Agents, and others that were already Legends by the end of 2nd edition were updated at the start of 3e to make them consistent with edition changes, particularly the way that command abilities work. They weren’t comprehensive; earlier Legends weren’t updated, such as Bretonnians and Tomb Kings. They also didn’t put a whole lot of work into these updates, but they did update them, which is the key point. There were mistakes in these 3e legends scrolls that were never fixed. I.e this. As someone else said. Legends = Graveyard. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 4 minutes ago, Tonhel said: There were mistakes in these 3e legends scrolls that were never fixed. I.e this. As someone else said. Legends = Graveyard. But there's still hope for Grombi in 4h ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elescapo Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, Tonhel said: There were mistakes in these 3e legends scrolls that were never fixed. I.e this. As someone else said. Legends = Graveyard. I'm not arguing that they are continually updated with FAQ's and errata, just that they survived the edition rollover, which is the central point of the debate about Grombrindal. That's a 3e warscroll for Swifthawk Chariots. If Legends are written once and never touched again, it shouldn't exist. In 40k, Legends got new datasheets for 10e when they completely rewrote the rules. Will they do the same for AoS? I would think so. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 1 minute ago, Ejecutor said: But there's still hope for Grombi in 4h ed. 100%. Why wouldn't they. Otherwise he was only useable for a month or so. I think he will get a proper 4th edition warscroll and than placed in legends. It can't be much work for GW to transform his 3rd edition warscroll to a 4th edition warscroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagged Red Lines Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 15 minutes ago, elescapo said: I'm not arguing that they are continually updated with FAQ's and errata, just that they survived the edition rollover, which is the central point of the debate about Grombrindal. That's a 3e warscroll for Swifthawk Chariots. If Legends are written once and never touched again, it shouldn't exist. In 40k, Legends got new datasheets for 10e when they completely rewrote the rules. Will they do the same for AoS? I would think so. Thanks for setting me right! That's slightly more hopeful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommissarRotke Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jagged Red Lines said: Once again: the squatted models are not going to legends. They're getting matched play rules. Those rules cease being matched play legal next year. and once again, what happens when they stop getting matched play rules? They get Legends support until 5e edit: thank you @elescapo for remembering what happened from 2e -> 3e for Legends so we even have proof there's no reason to assume existing Legends WON'T be rewritten once for 4e. Edited April 23 by CommissarRotke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon-knight77 Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 45 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: Would be nice if there's some lore explanation, but GW also could go radio silence. Like what happened with Wanderers. The wanderers are around as of Gotrek short story The One Road so it mostly just going to be a more Swifthawk case of them canon but background with a refrence here or there until GW want to do something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganigumo Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 16 minutes ago, novakai said: Well going by history Greenskinz/wanderers/swifthawk agents: exist in the background but rarely mentioned again if at all Gitmob: exists in the background but did came back with one mini Lion rangers/order Draconis/ Eldritch council : umm we forgot about these guys Phonecium: your city get blown up gitmob are definitely being built back up again after being squatted. I'm fully expecting another gitz wave in the first year of aos4 to release new grots and spiders so ToW can have the current ones, I could see gitmob making it in if the release is big enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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