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I think dependant on pilot you can do well with Thrice Befoulment as shown from a tournament result just prior to lockdown (attached) and by the dude in here who plays in the states and posts decent results. I also think Chaos Ascendant is a good choice for Daemon centric lists as mentioned above. Even an 'S Tier' list requires a decent pilot to win anything. I've seen Changehost players finish 1-4 in Feb this year over 2 days because in the end they got beat by better players, playing 'worse lists'.

Having played Maggoth lords just recently in a game against new Seraphon. I would say either battalion for taking all 3 or 1 for each. My main gripe was they were just a bit underwhelming in offence and defense and I would of preferred pretty much any model instead of them. Luckily they are amazing models so fingers crossed they get some fun synergy or battalion to see them brought back to the table.

Hey fellow urgold addicts. I have finished my first SC box and have fallen big style for painting magmadroth! 🔥 Anyone help a crazy guy out coming up with a Lofnir list that I could take to future events (don't own a book, search in this forum proved fruitless). Not looking to those top tables just something that in a pinch might scrap 1 or maybe 2 wins in a 2day event (depending on play of course). Love to run as many big beasties as possible but I know the strength of Hermdar and Vostarg in the competitive scene and don't want to overly handicap myself 😁👍 Thanks in advance

I think if you figure out what you want to achieve from the game. You want to lob some dice have a giggle and play your favourite looking units in a themed army. Then lob anything legal together and have some fun with friends. If you want to be winning more than you lose on average then you know take a little of what we are saying and put those into practice into your list. If you want to win nearly all of the time then you really need to have a firm grasp of what your game plan is and how to min-max your army to do it 😊 that's where @JackStreicher is talking from and myself when it comes to certain aspects. You can still be the first sort of player and go to tournaments even and there are narrative events which are such a blast. So figure out your goals and we as a community can help you accordingly get there 👍

Seems you've thought about it I think a chaos lord double fight is a good CP ability but with a fast army the issue you have with him is the ability to keep up, where as the sorcerer does his work wherever. I would get it on the tabletop get some games in and just analyse where you feel you are lacking. The amount of times I've drawn up lists and gone to the table top and been like Welp that didn't work 😂😂👍

So I like the list I would go for a way to get the Lord on Mark hitting his hardest with a choice of Artefact that gives that (your preference). I prefer consistent damage over burst damage so I would do the knights with Ensorcelled weapons. This then combined with Slaanesh would give you exploding 6s and alot of attacks on the charge or when you are stuck in combat. Personally I don't like chosen but I know the mathammer is quite good. I would use the 130 to get a sorcerer involved in the list. Only thing to consider and this might not be prevalent in your scene is you could get pinned in your deployment by alpha striking armies or teleporting Tzeentch etc. So deployment will be a learning curve for you. Maurauders while very good in 40 blobs do die to a big hit of damage quite easily so holes could be formed by a well built list.

So I love the use of a thematic army and this will look great on the tabletop. I agree with @JackStreicher it lacks removal for big threats. I play alot of StD and Chaos, with Archaon, Varanguard etc. I would also recommend ravagers to utilise the cultists. I would try and jiggle around and fit in a battalion and some extra artefacts maybe godsworn champions of ruin or something like that. Warshrine and bigger units of marauders and warriors is also recommended if you want to go for board stall and obj sitting. Your lord on k and Varanguard will have to do some seriously heavy lifting though even with the Sphinx helping. Hope that helps

Ok so what about the warscroll prayer the Runesmiter has as standard is this usable within the hero phase if targeting the other lodge members? Thanks for your answer about the prayer choices. Azyr confused me by allowing me to select Khorne ones 😕

Ok guys quick question. I do not own the Fyreslayers book so dont have access to this. If I have the lodge in a Khorne list (pay the -cp tax) with a runesmiter and hearthguard berserkers. Can I take a pray on the runesmiter? A) does it come from the Khorne prayers (azyr states this?!?) B) Can I take a fyreslayers prayer C) Can I take no prayer at all because of said wording in codex

I could cut the varaguard and easily slot in BoIR Skar DP + BS +SP +SP, as you can see below I own all this ready to go. Is this what you thought @Troll.exe

Hey guys got a tournament at the end of the month and I've drawn up 3 lists. Question is which kind do you prefer. Looking more multiple threats, good board control and enough all round list to improve on my results with a mortal list last year. List A List B List C Any other lists can be suggested (I read this thread avidly though) but I do not own a BToUF, WoBT or Skullreapers. Thanks all

Thanks Jack, guess it's down to raw warscroll. Daemonettes have run+charge Untamed have 6inch pre move Bearers are tanky backfield obj holders Letters have mw output Also like @Smooth criminal Idea of mass knights (which I already own) with bloodstoker and buffs seems an idea to explore. Would want it in a low drop army though....

Do the auras affect Daemon units allied into a STD army. My brain says no as they are not part of the Slaves to Darkness army and I'm sure I've been linked core book rules that says no (don't own the book). Example ally 10 Daemonettes in Mark of Slaanesh STD do they get exploding sixes? Trying to theory craft my list for tournaments and currently have this core from play testing but still unsure whether I should just jam Archaon in my Khorne list and be done with it.

Super quick question, can Gotrek go in an Ironclad or any ship? Me and my friend presume no, but Google is providing no answers when searching.

I know I posted a joke earlier on in this thread but now I want to wade in on this stout negativity from some posters. People mention damage and the lack of or competitive viability. I just don't understand this coming from a 40k background. Tournament players will spam the best units as much as possible or a battalion that gives a buff and drop advantage. 80+ mauraders in two 40 blobs with buff support is alot of dice with rend. Don't want damage then I think a blob of 20-25 warriors buffed and mask of darkness'd could be a foundation for a hard to shift defensive list. Then put in Archaon/sorcerers or ravagers heroes to spread the buffs (reinforments) and auras and you have the basis of something looking like a tournament list. This expectation of a top tier army that uses the whole of a codex, fluffy lists or specifically the models you own seems a little bit off the mark from reading all the other forums on this site and playing at stores and events. People mention other armies but they tend to also just use the strong units and have similar negative posters. OBR use catapults and Mortek guard. DOK use witches and Morathi in one battalion from the book. Fyreslayers use one lodge and big blobs of hearthguard, IDN use eels. BOK (which I also play) has tyrants+gore pilgrims or a gore pilgrims and you don't use half the models I own for the tournament list. From my experience at tournaments very few lists will consistently hit 4-1/5-0 and most of the time the player at the helm will make a huge difference. If you like the models and play beer and pretzel games or local games you will have alot of fun from this codex from my experience in 6-8 games now running all sorts. You will beat some people you will lose. You want a 4-1, 5-0 list for a large tournament you are going to be limited in what you can use from this book just like everyone else reading their respective codex. You want to go to the mid tables 3-2, 2-3 then I think then your options are even wider. In the end have fun, play games and see if you can find that min-maxed ultimate list if that's what drives you.

Is this list in the realms of lunacy or actually has some average legs? Then if you think it's the latter, what artefacts should I take or port? The reason I ask is I don't own the book. Me and my friend have gone half on the aether war box and I have 0 prior experience with the bubble bois as I play chaos mainly.

I'm going to melt my models into a brick and then burn the codex to the chaos gods...after that I'm going to go sit at the bottom tables with my brick of plastic and ash from my old codex and I am going to tell everyone that flat 18 damage fell spears would of been good. No I didn't play any actually games did you read the print pfff I value my time ......not that I'm overreacting from a FAQ or anything before you say it! Or I might wait and see I haven't decided 🤷🏼‍♀️ 🎣

I like to be positive and reading the changes I think that most are reasonable. Mixed weapons was always iffy. Archaon still has a 50/50 to allow you either double turn or have the turn after going first. Even the knowledge is better than not knowing for a good general. The Varanguard battalion I don't particularly like I think the ability to adapt to your opponent is a strong tactical advantage. You take 6 but in this said matchup flying would be better you change with the battalion. While not as good as having 2 I can see GW thinking this is ok. Would I pay for the battalion unlikely but that was the same as before. Nurgle DP were a little nuts and now the choice isn't so obvious and is more about how you design your list. Overall it's removed some abuse and has been quick about doing it. I am sure I will have alot of fun still and we will see how tournament season goes before I cry about anything.

I am just going off what the app and warscroll builder allows me to do. If this isn't the case I think I would do one unit of fellspears and one unit of ensorcelled weapons and then make sure to target priorities appropriately.

So was just going to post my weekend of testing builds against my friends armies. I played BoC and two of his tournament lists for Sylvaneth on multiple battleplans. Now while these armies are not super top tier he's a very good player and we ran full match play rules to see what is what in the new STD tome. I ran the Everchosen Batallion and 9 Varanguard with a Sorcerer on foot and it felt like a massive trap. I struggled in multiple areas to compete with multiple threat Durthu bomb Sylvaneth lineup or keep Archaon from being swamped or screened out. We found through a days of games on multiple scenarios that if you want to run Varanguard the sweet spot is 6 (in two blobs) and that Khorne/Slaanesh 2 ensorcelled weapons and 1 fell spear felt optimal. Archaon was great throughout when I didn't suicide him in. MVPs were 40 blobs of Mauraders (obviously) with or without double attacking and 'My Will' on them. Realmscourge ES was excellent if you can afford it and Darkfire is a good substitute. I preferred personally Sorc L on Manticore over on foot but that needs more testing. Sleeper - Now this might be my preferred playstyle but I thought Cabalist legion had some real finesse to it and if you could maximise your wizards and maybe a gaunt summ and a range of ES you could really do some shenanigans with it. I need to play around a list with it. Anyways anecdotal evidence aside I will probably run this as core in upcoming big tournaments -

Thanks, hopefully someone will clear up number 4 for us 💪🤘

Hi everyone, Here are 3 rules that arose from a match up with Sylvaneth today and the new rules: 1) How does Archaon's re-roll hit rolls of 6 affect exploding sixes of Winterleaf and Mortal wounds generated off normal 6s by Drycha? Would you get the extra hit but not the mortal wound? Get both but have to re-roll? Get neither and re-roll? 2) When a monster dies with 'My Will' on them and the warscroll has a profile do you use the lowest bracket on the weapons? 3) So another 'My Will' question - 40 mauraders have the buff on the when they die they are spaced out 1 inch apart across the mid section. RAW says the unit can fight in melee if they are killed but does not state they can pile in. Does this a) mean they can only hit (1 inch range) the unit in base contact, if no targets are eligible they are removed b) they can pile in 3 inches to closest target and then fight like in the Khorne book, which states the words 'pile in' 4) unit of X is in a circle deployment 6" around an objective. Unit gets charged by 2 separate units (Y and Z) and they end up 6 and a half inch away from the objective. The first unit Y wipes unit X, can unit Z with no eligible target pile in 3inches and claim the objective? Thanks in advance and apologies if any of these are obvious they caused us a few problems to suss out.

So I am torn which is better and play test the above and also another version using more troops, one with 10 Chaos warriors instead of the GS and 20 mauraders with the Endless spells instead of the GS. If anyone wants to try there hand at improving it the below spoiler has all my models;

Thanks @Asamu @Smooth criminal @Spears and @Kasper that's some really good info. If this is anyway affects it I will be running them predominantly in Host of Everchosen, with Archaon, I am thinking 10 knights (already have them) and some mauraders (2x 20 or 1 40 block). Mark wise I like Khorne and Nurgle but I'm flexible. I'm asking because I have the kits on my desk but don't want to commit to a subpar combo and I play against alot of different armies with high saved heroes like Alarielle, Verminlords, Mawcrushas etc.

Do we have any preference when it comes to how to build Varanguard? Does mathammer support one build over another? Mainly looking for then to be another hammer so any weapon combination good against 4+ saves.