Zanzou

wow im asleep sorry

Yes sorry, as you said the inconsistency is the main issue and I'm still not over 2019. Sure, the one potential issue that stood out to everyone for this StD book was knee-****** rewritten so that basically 90% of unit types will likely all suffer the same 1d3 damage (Sure this is much more balanced, but strategy is dull) and yet: -Slaanesh was given free reign to terrorize tournaments untouched all year (with the complained pricey/boring model spam still being meta) - what happened with bonereapers -^Legions of Nagash battalion, and FAQ/errata/commentary are still left in a contradictory state after the bonereaper warscroll updates, making some unplayable rules that have never been bothered to be updated for months (or even actually rebalance for LoN) etc

This is just another example of GW's scattershot half-assed attempts to rolling out balance, rather than anything thorough and methodical. It's like if the right guy at the right time at GW for some reason notices something they will push out an update, otherwise it will be left untouched as they have no actual process for complete review. Agreed that it's very whatever, but just noting that for example Sylvaneth has an allegiance command ability that is almost the same worse in terms of power: Command Ability: Stand Firm: Pick one enemy unit that charges within 1", roll a dice. On 2+ they get D3 mortals

don't know where I was going with this post

This is literally my biggest issue with GW terrain. Although chunks of walls are practical for setting up different configurations, I don't understand why - other than the skullvane manse rerelease - there has been hardly any actual buildings.

Strategy: Avoid match at all costs > wait another half a year for the bone faction approaching 70% win rate to be nerfed > save the lives of your woodling faction who has a win rate in the low 40s 😅

I would think either would be doable... The only version that would be weird to me would be Kurnoth with bows, since Tree Kin models are melee-only.

How could a fully revamped, rank-and-file-square-based war game - in an entirely different setting to AoS - possibly be tackled by a small specialist team? And if we are to temper expectations, why a 3-year-early announcement?

I mean, GW just re-released the same Chaos Warriors and Chaos Knights. The Knights are especially gorgeous and the people I know who play Slaves seem to be extremely happy with them, and the fact that they didn't mess up their beloved Slaves.

In the AoS app, treekin only have the ORDER and TREE KIN keywords now. Generally speaking, that would usually only be playable in a GA: ORDER allegiance. In the AoS 1.0 Sylvaneth book, there was a battalion that allowed you to bring any order unit without losing sylvaneth allegiance (and another battalion where you could bring any order wizard), but if you are playing in current 2.0, things have unfortunately become much more strict for Sylvaneth. Current allies we can bring are stormcast, idoneth, and wanderers (with dispossessed and fyreslayers also options for IRONBARK general armies). I would recommend simply asking your opponent if they would allow you to add the sylvaneth keyword to your Tree Kin, if you want to use the official Tree Kin warscroll. Otherwise, put them on the same base size as kurnoth hunters, and use them as proxy kurnoth hunters.

This 100% deserves its own thread.

So is GW 😑

@Sleboda

I still see one for sale on their site (compare the title on the spine of the book to the title on the front of the book). https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Warcry-Core-Book-ES-2019

People love the warhammer universe. People love the quality of the models they put out and continually improve. This year, they even suddenly realised that maybe it would be a good idea if they started actually handing out rules for their factions - which is great. For book quality control, rules, process regulation and communications, (anything other than new models / arts), they really do not have any idea what they are doing. Their release schedule has been an absolute mess. They push out books with expensive limited editions that very consistently have not been edited properly. We've seen outdated versions of warscrolls left for months at a time on their website conflicting with their phone app since they do not push batch updates properly. They consistently put out rules that contradict their own rules (sometimes without even updating the FAQs for a very long time) or create new issues for the game immediately noticeable by half the community, but is locked in for the better part of a year at minimum. There are factions with 2019 winter FAQ on their site right now that have been HALF updated, half the info is outdated and the date in the title is wrong. That's nothing in comparison to literally publishing books with typos IN THE TITLE, but GW has done that as well. tl;dr, GW has been very good at min-maxing their profits but they cut corners to achieve this, forgoing quality control, process regulation, etc... it shows with their releases.

You mean insert literally anything 40k here because for some reason they make AoS models go against 40k models in a popularity contest despite 40k having 5 times more players... Why they don’t have fantasy model of the year a separate thing is beyond me... It will never not be 40k

"list building" being important to competitive players means that they like finding different strategies using different lists for a faction, because that's another way to throw opponents off their typical meta game and mix things up. It does not mean that this one faction should have one obvious list that blows most every other faction and list out of the water without being FAQ'd right away.... *Obligatory "This is my opinion"*

It also would remove most of the best skilled players from the competition to begin with though, since most players wouldn't have the cash/ willingness to unload a grand on the FOTM unbalanced army every single season. Lots of people don't want to sell their previous armies. If you're competitive-minded, don't you want to know if you're actually the best, and not just the best at having money to immediately spend? Even out of the players who have the funds to do so, most probably aren't interested enough in the pay to win cycle to go through with it. Like Deadscribe says though, it's been a consistent enough issue that at a certain point you either have to give in, give up or just be okay with voicing protest for the entire duration of your hobby.

@XReN, @RuneBrush That makes sense now. Thanks!

Let me first state that I realize that warscroll rules take precedence over core rules, but hear me out. Archaon forces hit rolls of 6 against him to be re-rolled: "Re-roll hit rolls of 6 for attacks made by enemy units that target this model." AoS put in a rule to ensure that no matter how debuffed a unit is, it always has a chance to hit: "A hit roll of 1 before modification always fails to hit the target, and a hit roll of 6 before modification always hits the target." Two questions. Firstly, since Archaon's ability does not specify whether the hit rolls of 6 are specifically natural or not - but the core rules state that natural 6s go through "always" - does that mean that Archaon's ability may only work against a modified 6 roll, or would natural 6s still fail to go through? Second question is to do with re-rolls. The re-roll section of the core rules limits you to only 1 re-roll of a dice, period. However, these rule limitations are in context of phrases as if "getting" to do a re-roll is beneficial: "RE-ROLLS Some rules allow you to re-roll a dice roll, which means you get to roll some or all of the dice again." So if Archaon re-rolls your 6 to a failed dice roll, does that still count as your 1 allowed re-roll? If the answer to both questions is yes, does that mean it is okay that there are circumstances in which some units will literally never be able to land a successful hit against Archaon?

Oh my bad there. I am an opponent of Slaanesh not a Slaanesh player...

I just found out about Nagash/Arkhan's warscroll being broken in Legions of Nagash due to the Ossiarch change. So nagash gets to know all of the lore in bonerepears, so they delete all of the wizard spells he knows from his warscroll benefit, even tho the bonereaper lore doesn't translate to legions of nagash?? What this means is that GW is INSULTINGLY lazy and incompetent. The errata still says MARCH in the title. Are they even trying??? Do you really think any of these bonereaper-caused-nerfs were intentional to LEGIONS OF NAGASH, or just a bi-product where they didn't give a **** to update anything other than the latest releases properly? Is any kind of versioning control whatsoever an entirely foreign concept to them?

so if there's no such thing as terrain that's not friendly, why would it specify that the terrain should be friendly?

Why wouldn't it? Even if you stack leaders as normal, doesn't that significantly hamper your early objective control? DP on the things that mattered looked like it went up a lot. Also locus from 3+ to 5+ is game-changing

What do you mean, acolytes are a steal! /s 😒