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I bought Nurgle as my first AoS army BECAUSE Blightkings looked as awesome as they do. And I have like 40 of them. And they're just a mess right now. So @Fluxlord is right, we're just in a pretty powerful wane right now.

Hmmm... they must have added a store since I left Annapolis. I had to drive to Bowie or Games & Stuff to get my tabletop on when I lived there. I'm not going to say that they can't win. It's that they can't win consistently, ESPECIALLY in Competitive (greater than 12 player) tourneys. A tourney with 3 matches isn't really a major one. But it is a victory so take that for what it's worth. And Skaven and Marauders aren't Nurgle in so far as they aren't even in the Nurgle book. They're stuff that's brought in by keyword shennanigan-ry. Which, so will the rest of StD. I thought we were fixing NURGLE... not all the etc's. I shouldn't feel the need to take a Corruptor but they're better than the GUO which is WAY better than the Glottkin. Glotty needs a point decrease and/or a usefulness change. He dies too fast. Esp against people who know where to focus attention.

I dunno. With the huge possibility of a Nurgle caster coming into Underworlds we'll see how they play out.

You're probably right but unmodified 6's means BKs and PBL's become someone relevant to the army. I'm not expecting top 5 with my simple fix.. just playable. As far as "infecting" I enjoy the hold different parts of the board mechanic giving us more power. I think the reaction to the poor Tree almost killed the faction entirely for me. I dunno, I've become very jaded about changes as all I'm seeing is power creep. It's annoying and having been on both ends of the creep, I dunno.

Honestly, Nurgle isn't competitive right now. In friendly matches, it's fine but anything where people are bringing the big bads.... you'll genuinely not win unless you're playing other "non-specialized" lists or the new guys. To fix it, just make anything that requires a 6, unmodified. BOOM! better than a faction refresh. Personally, I've shelved my boys until I see what Slaves does.

Actually, Ogors are forecasted to have a possible update in Underworlds where both a hunter and a beast were shown (in the cards). It's not official and given we've seen 2 of the releases coming out for it, may be on the later end of the group but it's something.. and it'll be plastic.

We'll see.. I found my Harrows very effective because they could be anywhere between the 4 graveyards I spread out across the field on ANY turn. I don't know the Steed can do that, and I'd personally want him close to combat. We'll see. As far as the Bravery bomb goes, having so many armies flippantly ignoring a whole point of an army kills that in any non-fluffy situation. You can't go to a tourney where 1/4 matchups are bad matchups from the getgo.

The Butcher thing is likely to be FAQ'd as I've seen this argument quite a few times but RAW because it isn't BOLDED, it implies the unit and not the keyword.

Reikenor is likely your only shot to get those spells off consistently. Kurdoss can ONLY grab the 1CP per round which is infuriating. However, with some of the new CP generation (Bonecast, Mawtribes, etc) Kurdoss can't steal those. So while I love to use him... his power is dwindling. I find I DO need the CPs in LoG... re-rolls and Turn 2-5 regen... it's important.

I bought Ogres cause Slaves were looking to be delayed... so your welcome for my financial sacrifice. Now the poor Ogres gunna be shelved....

1) Apply -1's to hit. 2) Find out who his witherstave character is, kill it. It'll likely be on the GUO closest to combat. 3) Find where his harbinger is, kill it. 4) The rest is just a slog. If he's bringing Spume to deepstrike, you gotta spread out. I run my Maggotkin as a 1 drop to give me choice.

See and I'm the opposite. I loved Slaves but I was planning on using them as a calvary force. The changes to the difference Daemons (Slaan-mostly) killed that. So I shelved them. I heard the rumors but Ogors just seem more fun and I don't own Destruction. So I've bought a massive amount of Ogors now, and I'm not sure when/if I'll get back to my boys in black. Chaos will always be my primary but I'm just... tired of being treated like a second-class citizen. We won the damned war. Chaos won. What do we get for that? A reset-button.

Yea, but I was running LoG for their shenanigans

Given the fact that I only BOUGHT Kudross to mess with my opponents CP's.... and the new army coming out doesn't USE CP's... (and they ignore bravery) means a COMMON army I'll be seeing can ignore pretty much all my shenanigans.

Ok boy-o's... what's on our wishlist? I hope to see Marks return.

Gargants and Troggoths are it AFAIK

Right, but how many factions have access to PRAYERS and Spells? Prayers that are non-dispel-able (currently)

I was under the impression Mawtribes had access to both Prayers and Spells, is that incorrect?

As a non-destruction player, what do ya'll see being the purchases needed? This army looks great to tickle my "smaller" wants boxes. I THINK it looks like 1-2 FoB's, maybe a BCR SC (magnetizing?), what else?

Purple Sun ignores those saves

Maybe fake but last time this style released it outted the Christmas boxes (which I'm genuinely surprised to not see the Christmas boxes spoiled ... unless I missed it). But this makes me so super excited.

Probably because Battlescribe is an eh--- app. Consider using the official Azyr app or the online warscroll builder. The rules are found in Forbidden Power.

Hey look, the new Bonecast just got a terrain piece that gives -1's to hit on a 4+... lovely. Ugh... wish they'd just update the rules to Unmodified... it's not that difficult.

Ok here are my thoughts. I went 2:2 dropping game 5 as I wasn't feeling well (thanks Con-bug). I lost to Hosts of Slaanesh 3 giant ladies (barely) in Game 1 and FEC Grisselgore (?) 3 Terror (100% my fault). I beat Troggoth Spam and Sylvaneth. 2 Harrows were awesome but the second Harrow basically sat around after my In the Grave guys were summoned. I tried to hang him near the banshee's for Mortal saves. Chainrasp 2x10,1x40 was FANTASTIC. Especially when they spent the time to wipe the 40 and have me drop them on their heads. Kudross earned himself no LESS than 8 CPs over those games. Aetherquartz and the Helm did far less. Dreadscythes were a "big bad" that were focused on when they came from the grave and I spit them out at opponents a few times. Worth it. Necromancer was underwhelming. Maybe because when Dance Macabre went off (finally, I had a crappy spell casting tourney) it wasn't really useful. General Harrow did perfect. I thought I measured the FEC Terrorgeist charge+move correct but mismeasured by half an inch which led him to be wiped bottom of 1. Prior to that, he brought out the Dread's and had the opponent lose a whole unit top of 1. Miscalc on my part cost me the whole game. Reikenor cut himself and cut himself and cut himself.... and got Purple sun off twice. No joke, one game I rolled 4 snake eyes for spell casting. Over the course of the tourney with 3 spell casters I THINK I only made 4 spells occur total (2X Purple Sun, 1x Horrorghast, 1x Dance). The banshees stopped a single spell. And 2 units of 8 wasn't a good way to go. Tourney was 24 people. Khorne took first, Slaan second, FEC third. I think there were 3 Slaan spams, Khorne, 1 Nurgle, 2 SCE, 2 Orcs, 3 FEC, 1 Order, my Legion of Grief, 2 Seraphon, 1 Khaine, 1 Deepkin, 2 Gloomspite (both Trog heavy), and I can't remember the rest. I pulled best painted in Underworlds for Lady Harrow's. I lost to 2 lists that involved S1->3 and wouldn't exist in new format so not really saddened. LoG currently has responses to most of the factions. We can put a serious hurt on some (like Slaanesh) if we can come back enough. Others who knew how to shut down my graves did so very effectively (Sylvaneth player did fantastic at this). Honestly, my Maggotkin would have done better but I'm pleased with LoG. If my dice had rolled hotter (median) and I had not boned up my own FEC match-up I would have easily been top 5 with them. That's not terrible. Lessons: Don't do 2x 8 Banshee's. Maybe 2x 12 is better in the meta but maybe just one unit of 12. Dreadscythes stayed alive MUCH better in unit of 20, but it's hard to call them from the grave. When you do, it's ferocious with the reroll to charge. I hate spells. And there was so little I could do against the people I faced that could make them run. I didn't see nearly the Skaven and Gobbos I expected to see.

This. I was having difficulty on my games keeping up with some armies. Just having 2 and a couple of units in the grave keeps them on their guard. And it ALSO means I don't necessarily have to put my general into danger to deploy some of the bigger units. The OTHER issue was that with the way I built the list... I have 110 free. So I needed 120 for KOSoES. For the price Harrow was more utilitarian. It is a 1:4 Nihilakh Oxide with Lahmian Medium. About 3-4 coats on every model. I love the look, but it's insane. I also had to make "modifications" to earn some bonus "hobby" points at the tourney. Hence the flames, the weird sword, and the Chainrasp Warden that isn't very seeable in the picture.