Peegee Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hannibal said: I think I´d drop one unit of Pinks and instead get 6 Flamers + Exalted Flamer. They won´t be as good as under DoT Rules, but they still dish out a lot of damage at range. Other than that there is an endless spell in the StD range which everyone is talking about. Daemonrift ... (???) Yeah I'm kind of shying away from Flamers but I guess it's acceptable if not taken in Conflagration 🙂 Darkfire Daemonrift is definitely a must-have, I didn't even realize Be'lakor himself unlocked it thanks to StD keyword 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus The Blue Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Spoiler Be'lakor- General, Bolt of Ruin Contorted Epitomie- fourfold blade, Echo of Hatred The Masque 2 * 10 Daemonettes 10 Pink Horrors 4*5 Seekers 2 Soul Grinders Host of the Deprived (all Slannesh units). So, played against Beast of Chaos last night with the above list. Total Commitment, 2k. His list was roughly Spoiler GraveSpawn Tzaangor Shaman, General, Aetherquarts Broach Beastlord with Mutating Gnarlblade Great Bray Shaman 30, 10, 10 Bestigor 30,30,10,10 Ungor Raiders 10 Ungor 1 Chariot Marauding Brayherd (with most of the army in it) I must say I was surprised at how well the list played. Belakors command ability is just amazing, the fact you can do in your opponent's turn and you have icons for getting more back means even Slannesh units become surprisingly good at attrition. Over the course of the game I brought back 15 seekers, 20 Daemonettes and 5 Pink horrors. I didn't manage to summon a single unit, but in the end didn't need it as the Seekers, Soul Grinders and Epitomie just tore through his list. Having lots of fast units meant I could quickly engage almost all his units around the board and stop him focus firing to finish off my units before they got healed back up. The Epitome was definitely star of the show, rerolled casts/unbinding, Overwelming Aquiessence, Horrible Fascination and great damage output from the fourfold blade. Such a great toolkit to have available. Edited February 19, 2020 by Magnus The Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkelly0693 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Magnus The Blue said: Reveal hidden contents Be'lakor- General, Bolt of Ruin Contorted Epitomie- fourfold blade, Echo of Hatred The Masque 2 * 10 Daemonettes 10 Pink Horrors 4*5 Seekers 2 Soul Grinders Host of the Deprived (all Slannesh units). So, played against Beast of Chaos last night with the above list. Total Commitment, 2k. His list was roughly Reveal hidden contents GraveSpawn Tzaangor Shaman, General, Aetherquarts Broach Beastlord with Mutating Gnarlblade Great Bray Shaman 30, 10, 10 Bestigor 30,30,10,10 Ungor Raiders 10 Ungor 1 Chariot Marauding Brayherd (with most of the army in it) I must say I was surprised at how well the list played. Belakors command ability is just amazing, the fact you can do in your opponent's turn and you have icons for getting more back means even Slannesh units become surprisingly good at attrition. Over the course of the game I brought back 15 seekers, 20 Daemonettes and 5 Pink horrors. I didn't manage to summon a single unit, but in the end didn't need it as the Seekers, Soul Grinders and Epitomie just tore through his list. Having lots of fast units meant I could quickly engage almost all his units around the board and stop him focus firing to finish off my units before they got healed back up. The Epitome was definitely star of the show, rerolled casts/unbinding, Overwelming Aquiessence, Horrible Fascination and great damage output from the fourfold blade. Such a great toolkit to have available. Can I ask, how are you bringing the Seekers back? This seems incredibly fun, but when I read the command ability, it seems to me that it specifics units named Daemonette (not units with the keyword Daemonette). Maybe/hopefully I am misunderstanding because I'd love to try this list out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus The Blue Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 The command ability 'The Shadow Legion' uses the Daemonettes keyword (in bold, thus keyword not unit name), so seekers and seeker chariots are fair game. 28 minutes ago, mkelly0693 said: Can I ask, how are you bringing the Seekers back? This seems incredibly fun, but when I read the command ability, it seems to me that it specifics units named Daemonette (not units with the keyword Daemonette). Maybe/hopefully I am misunderstanding because I'd love to try this list out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkelly0693 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Magnus The Blue said: The command ability 'The Shadow Legion' uses the Daemonettes keyword (in bold, thus keyword not unit name), so seekers and seeker chariots are fair game. Oh that's awesome. Definitely going to try something similar to your list knowing that then. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medivouk Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) I've got a list I plan on trying. I think the 20 bloodletters and skull cannon would be better off as 10 pinks and 10 daemonettes, but these are the minis I have. Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First PrinceLeadersVerminlord Corruptor (280)- General- Command Trait: Ruinous Aura- Spell: Bolt of RuinThe Contorted Epitome (200)- Spell: echos of rageSlaves to Darkness Khorne Daemon Prince (210)- Sword- Artefact: Fourfold BladeBattleline30 x Plaguebearers (320)10 x Bloodletters (110)10 x Bloodletters (110)Units1 x Skull Cannons (130)12 x K'Daai Fireborn (480)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPsSoulsnare Shackles (40)Warp Lightning Vortex (100)Total: 1980 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 120 I plan on trying it out at my local club as soon as I dig out my old nurgle deamons and rebase some bits. Edited February 19, 2020 by medivouk Wrong spell on epitome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I have to say, I´m going to settle on this Allegiance for the next months because I own a pretty solid collection of mixed daemons. And while I think that the single-god-books offer better allegiance abilities, Simplicity is a Quality on its own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 7 hours ago, mkelly0693 said: Oh that's awesome. Definitely going to try something similar to your list knowing that then. Thanks! *gestures towards units of Skull Cannons, Blood Crushers, Plague Drones and Seeker Chariots* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Hi, short questions regarding StD Daemon Prince and the artifact weapon from Legion of Chaos Ascendant: 1) Lets say my Daemon Prince is equipped with a Hellforged Sword and I use the artifact weapon on it. Do I gain both effects, ie on a 6+ I cuse d3 mortal wounds (artifact weapon) as well as 2 mortal wounds (from Hellforged Sword)? 2) If no to question 1), can I then use the artifact weapon instead of the Claw? Meaning I get a Hellforged Sword in one hand and the artifact weapon in the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaquilleoheal Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, medivouk said: I've got a list I plan on trying. I think the 20 bloodletters and skull cannon would be better off as 10 pinks and 10 daemonettes, but these are the minis I have. Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First PrinceLeadersVerminlord Corruptor (280)- General- Command Trait: Ruinous Aura- Spell: Bolt of RuinThe Contorted Epitome (200)- Spell: echos of rageSlaves to Darkness Khorne Daemon Prince (210)- Sword- Artefact: Fourfold BladeBattleline30 x Plaguebearers (320)10 x Bloodletters (110)10 x Bloodletters (110)Units1 x Skull Cannons (130)12 x K'Daai Fireborn (480)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPsSoulsnare Shackles (40)Warp Lightning Vortex (100)Total: 1980 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 120 I plan on trying it out at my local club as soon as I dig out my old nurgle deamons and rebase some bits. Dude pls..fourfold blade at the verminlord ( 10 attacks) not at the usless Deamon Prince Edited February 19, 2020 by Shaquilleoheal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medivouk Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, Shaquilleoheal said: Dude pls..fourfold blade at the verminlord not at the usless Deamon Prince Seems like a solid shout. He does have more attacks and is much tougher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaquilleoheal Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, medivouk said: Seems like a solid shout. He does have more attacks and is much tougher. Again mate...verminlord 10 attacks 6+ mortal wound and 5+ of blade d3 mortal vs a poor Deamon prince lol..btw the list is yours.gl Edited February 19, 2020 by Shaquilleoheal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Hannibal said: 1) Lets say my Daemon Prince is equipped with a Hellforged Sword and I use the artifact weapon on it. Do I gain both effects, ie on a 6+ I cuse d3 mortal wounds (artifact weapon) as well as 2 mortal wounds (from Hellforged Sword)? Yes, you gain both effects when they both activate. For the Hellforged Sword that's 6+ (5+ when charging) and for the Fourfold Blade that's 5+ (4+ when charging). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medivouk Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Shaquilleoheal said: Again mate...verminlord 10 attacks 6+ mortal wound and 5+ of blade d3 mortal vs a poor Deamon prince lol..btw the list is yours.gl Oh, I'm gonna give the sword to the verminlord. It's a much better choice. I hadn't considered it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whispersofblood Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Roark said: Yes, you gain both effects when they both activate. For the Hellforged Sword that's 6+ (5+ when charging) and for the Fourfold Blade that's 5+ (4+ when charging). Hellforged swords is on an unmodified roll of 6. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, whispersofblood said: Hellforged swords is on an unmodified roll of 6. Gahh! Thx. Still living in the past... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I'm not building the Darkfire Daemonrift Endless Spell into anything now because I think it's definitely going to be FAQ'd to be StD allegiance only. However, I feel that resurrecting 4d3 Bloodcrushers on a 3+ per command point is quite strong and may escape notice... 😉 Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First PrinceMortal Realm: HyshBe'Lakor (240)- General- Spell: Echo of HatredBloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)- Artefact: Aetherquartz BroochBloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)- Artefact: Lens of RefractionBloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)10 x Bloodletters (110)10 x Bloodletters (110)10 x Bloodletters (110)6 x Bloodcrushers (240)6 x Bloodcrushers (240)6 x Bloodcrushers (240)6 x Bloodcrushers (240)Host of Rage (160)Extra Command Point (50)Suffocating Gravetide (20)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 2Wounds: 149 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backslide Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Roark said: I'm not building the Darkfire Daemonrift Endless Spell into anything now because I think it's definitely going to be FAQ'd to be StD allegiance only. However, I feel that resurrecting 4d3 Bloodcrushers on a 3+ per command point is quite strong and may escape notice... 😉 Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First PrinceMortal Realm: HyshBe'Lakor (240)- General- Spell: Echo of HatredBloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)- Artefact: Aetherquartz BroochBloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)- Artefact: Lens of RefractionBloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)10 x Bloodletters (110)10 x Bloodletters (110)10 x Bloodletters (110)6 x Bloodcrushers (240)6 x Bloodcrushers (240)6 x Bloodcrushers (240)6 x Bloodcrushers (240)Host of Rage (160)Extra Command Point (50)Suffocating Gravetide (20)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 2Wounds: 149 I'm mildly concerned that I actually have all the models to do this... ok except the dark master himself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 3 hours ago, backslide said: I'm mildly concerned that I actually have all the models to do this... ok except the dark master himself I think it needs a Changecaster or Fluxmaster purely to summon Horrors every turn. Do you have one of those guys and *checks notes* 50 Pink Horrors? 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medivouk Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Roark said: I think it needs a Changecaster or Fluxmaster purely to summon Horrors every turn. Do you have one of those guys and *checks notes* 50 Pink Horrors? 😉 I'd love to run and summon horrors. But 10 pinks, 20 blues and 20 ember things per unit is expensive to buy and Hella time consuming to paint for summoned 200pt unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelford Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 I've been considering lists. Here are three that I like. Same sort of back bone. Would love and advice on them. Spoiler Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First PrinceLeadersBe'Lakor (240)- General- Spell: Bolt of RuinGaunt Summoner on Disc of Tzeentch (260)- Spell: Spirit GougeSlaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)- AxeVerminlord Corruptor (280)- Spell: Echo of HatredBattleline30 x Plaguebearers (320)10 x Bloodletters (110)10 x Bloodletters (110)Units6 x Plague Drones (400)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPsGeminids of Uhl-Gysh (60)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 113 Spoiler Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First PrinceLeadersBe'Lakor (240)- General- Spell: Bolt of RuinGaunt Summoner on Disc of Tzeentch (260)- Spell: Spirit GougeSlaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)- AxeVerminlord Corruptor (280)- Spell: Echo of HatredBattleline30 x Plaguebearers (320)10 x Bloodletters (110)10 x Bloodletters (110)Units1 x Exalted Flamers of Tzeentch (100)3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 105 Spoiler Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First PrinceLeadersBe'Lakor (240)- General- Spell: Bolt of RuinThe Contorted Epitome (200)- Artefact: Fourfold Blade- Spell: Echo of HatredGaunt Summoner on Disc of Tzeentch (260)- Spell: Spirit GougeSlaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)- AxeSpoilpox Scrivener Herald of Nurgle (90)Battleline30 x Plaguebearers (320)10 x Bloodletters (110)10 x Bloodletters (110)Units1 x Exalted Flamers of Tzeentch (100)3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 105 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Roark said: I think it needs a Changecaster or Fluxmaster purely to summon Horrors every turn. Do you have one of those guys and *checks notes* 50 Pink Horrors? 😉 Probably need 100, in case you succeed in your summoning roll 2 turns in a row. And another 50, because a gaunt summoner is clearly the ideal summoning beacon. Edited February 20, 2020 by decker_cky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backslide Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Roark said: I think it needs a Changecaster or Fluxmaster purely to summon Horrors every turn. Do you have one of those guys and *checks notes* 50 Pink Horrors? 😉 I agree but then it would only have 18 bloodcrushers 😥 3x6 would be ok I guess, but getting the 8 units for the battlion gets tougher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backslide Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 hours ago, decker_cky said: Probably need 100, in case you succeed in your summoning roll 2 turns in a row. And another 50, because a gaunt summoner is clearly the ideal summoning beacon. I also think a gaunt summoner is fluffy as ****** in this allegiance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decker_cky Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 The lists I write all end up looking something like this: Allegiance: Legion of Chaos AscendantLeadersGaunt Summoner of Tzeentch (240)Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch (240)Be'Lakor (240)Battleline10 x Plaguebearers (120)10 x Plaguebearers (120)10 x Plaguebearers (120)Units3 x Skull Cannons (390)3 x Skull Cannons (390)Total: 1860 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 90 Plaguebearers give you a nice resilient but relatively cheap core (no sense buying battleline horrors when you can summon them via allegiance or summoner). A pair of summoners give you bodies and tzeentch summoning options. If the points make sense, you add discs to those summoners. Belakor because hes Belakor. Skull cannon units could each be replaced by various elite options, such as 6 bloodcrushers and a skull master. There's a bit of slack to add flavour of the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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