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6 minutes ago, Hannibal said:

I think I´d drop one unit of Pinks and instead get 6 Flamers + Exalted Flamer. They won´t be as good as under DoT Rules, but they still dish out a lot of damage at range.

Other than that there is an endless spell in the StD range which everyone is talking about. Daemonrift ... (???)

Yeah I'm kind of shying away from Flamers but I guess it's acceptable if not taken in Conflagration 🙂
Darkfire Daemonrift is definitely a must-have, I didn't even realize Be'lakor himself unlocked it thanks to StD keyword 🤣

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Be'lakor- General, Bolt of Ruin

Contorted Epitomie- fourfold blade, Echo of Hatred

The Masque

2 * 10 Daemonettes

10 Pink Horrors

4*5 Seekers

2 Soul Grinders

Host of the Deprived (all Slannesh units).

So, played against Beast of Chaos last night with the above list. Total Commitment, 2k.

His list was roughly

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Tzaangor Shaman, General, Aetherquarts Broach

Beastlord with Mutating Gnarlblade

Great Bray Shaman

30, 10, 10 Bestigor

30,30,10,10 Ungor Raiders

10 Ungor

1 Chariot

Marauding Brayherd (with most of the army in it)

I must say I was surprised at how well the list played.  Belakors command ability is just amazing, the fact you can do in your opponent's turn and you have icons for getting more back means even Slannesh units become surprisingly good at attrition. Over the course of the game I brought back 15 seekers, 20 Daemonettes and 5 Pink horrors.  

I didn't manage to summon a single unit, but in the end didn't need it as the Seekers, Soul Grinders and Epitomie just tore through his list. Having lots of fast units meant I could quickly engage almost all his units around the board and stop him focus firing to finish off my units before they got healed back up. 

The Epitome was definitely star of the show, rerolled casts/unbinding, Overwelming Aquiessence, Horrible Fascination and great damage output from the fourfold blade. Such a great toolkit to have available.

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1 hour ago, Magnus The Blue said:
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Be'lakor- General, Bolt of Ruin

Contorted Epitomie- fourfold blade, Echo of Hatred

The Masque

2 * 10 Daemonettes

10 Pink Horrors

4*5 Seekers

2 Soul Grinders

Host of the Deprived (all Slannesh units).

So, played against Beast of Chaos last night with the above list. Total Commitment, 2k.

His list was roughly

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GraveSpawn

Tzaangor Shaman, General, Aetherquarts Broach

Beastlord with Mutating Gnarlblade

Great Bray Shaman

30, 10, 10 Bestigor

30,30,10,10 Ungor Raiders

10 Ungor

1 Chariot

Marauding Brayherd (with most of the army in it)

I must say I was surprised at how well the list played.  Belakors command ability is just amazing, the fact you can do in your opponent's turn and you have icons for getting more back means even Slannesh units become surprisingly good at attrition. Over the course of the game I brought back 15 seekers, 20 Daemonettes and 5 Pink horrors.  

I didn't manage to summon a single unit, but in the end didn't need it as the Seekers, Soul Grinders and Epitomie just tore through his list. Having lots of fast units meant I could quickly engage almost all his units around the board and stop him focus firing to finish off my units before they got healed back up. 

The Epitome was definitely star of the show, rerolled casts/unbinding, Overwelming Aquiessence, Horrible Fascination and great damage output from the fourfold blade. Such a great toolkit to have available.

Can I ask, how are you bringing the Seekers back? This seems incredibly fun, but when I read the command ability, it seems to me that it specifics units named Daemonette (not units with the keyword Daemonette). Maybe/hopefully I am misunderstanding because I'd love to try this list out. 

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The command ability 'The Shadow Legion' uses the Daemonettes keyword (in bold, thus keyword not unit name), so seekers and seeker chariots are fair game.

28 minutes ago, mkelly0693 said:

Can I ask, how are you bringing the Seekers back? This seems incredibly fun, but when I read the command ability, it seems to me that it specifics units named Daemonette (not units with the keyword Daemonette). Maybe/hopefully I am misunderstanding because I'd love to try this list out. 

 

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2 minutes ago, Magnus The Blue said:

The command ability 'The Shadow Legion' uses the Daemonettes keyword (in bold, thus keyword not unit name), so seekers and seeker chariots are fair game.

 

Oh that's awesome. Definitely going to try something similar to your list knowing that then. Thanks! 

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I've got a list I plan on trying. I think the 20 bloodletters and skull cannon would be better off as 10 pinks and 10 daemonettes, but these are the minis I have.

Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant
- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First Prince

Leaders
Verminlord Corruptor (280)
- General
- Command Trait: Ruinous Aura
- Spell: Bolt of Ruin
The Contorted Epitome (200)
- Spell: echos of rage
Slaves to Darkness Khorne Daemon Prince (210)
- Sword
- Artefact: Fourfold Blade

Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers (320)
10 x Bloodletters (110)
10 x Bloodletters (110)

Units
1 x Skull Cannons (130)
12 x K'Daai Fireborn (480)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Soulsnare Shackles (40)
Warp Lightning Vortex (100)

Total: 1980 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 120
 

I plan on trying it out at my local club as soon as I dig out my old nurgle deamons and rebase some bits.

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Wrong spell on epitome
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Hi,

 

short questions regarding StD Daemon Prince and the artifact weapon from Legion of Chaos Ascendant:

1) Lets say my Daemon Prince is equipped with a Hellforged Sword and I use the artifact weapon on it. Do I gain both effects, ie on a 6+ I cuse d3 mortal wounds (artifact weapon) as well as 2 mortal wounds (from Hellforged Sword)?

2) If no to question 1), can I then use the artifact weapon instead of the Claw? Meaning I get a Hellforged Sword in one hand and the artifact weapon in the other?

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4 hours ago, medivouk said:

I've got a list I plan on trying. I think the 20 bloodletters and skull cannon would be better off as 10 pinks and 10 daemonettes, but these are the minis I have.

Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant
- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First Prince

Leaders
Verminlord Corruptor (280)
- General
- Command Trait: Ruinous Aura
- Spell: Bolt of Ruin
The Contorted Epitome (200)
- Spell: echos of rage
Slaves to Darkness Khorne Daemon Prince (210)
- Sword
- Artefact: Fourfold Blade

Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers (320)
10 x Bloodletters (110)
10 x Bloodletters (110)

Units
1 x Skull Cannons (130)
12 x K'Daai Fireborn (480)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Soulsnare Shackles (40)
Warp Lightning Vortex (100)

Total: 1980 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 120
 

I plan on trying it out at my local club as soon as I dig out my old nurgle deamons and rebase some bits.

Dude pls..fourfold blade at the verminlord ( 10 attacks) not at the usless Deamon Prince

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2 hours ago, Hannibal said:

1) Lets say my Daemon Prince is equipped with a Hellforged Sword and I use the artifact weapon on it. Do I gain both effects, ie on a 6+ I cuse d3 mortal wounds (artifact weapon) as well as 2 mortal wounds (from Hellforged Sword)?

Yes, you gain both effects when they both activate. For the Hellforged Sword that's 6+ (5+ when charging) and for the Fourfold Blade that's 5+ (4+ when charging).

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I'm not building the Darkfire Daemonrift Endless Spell into anything now because I think it's definitely going to be FAQ'd to be StD allegiance only.

However, I feel that resurrecting 4d3 Bloodcrushers on a 3+ per command point is quite strong and may escape notice... 😉

Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant
- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First Prince
Mortal Realm: Hysh
Be'Lakor (240)
- General
- Spell: Echo of Hatred
Bloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)
- Artefact: Aetherquartz Brooch
Bloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)
- Artefact: Lens of Refraction
Bloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)
10 x Bloodletters (110)
10 x Bloodletters (110)
10 x Bloodletters (110)
6 x Bloodcrushers (240)
6 x Bloodcrushers (240)
6 x Bloodcrushers (240)
6 x Bloodcrushers (240)
Host of Rage (160)
Extra Command Point (50)
Suffocating Gravetide (20)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Wounds: 149
 

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1 hour ago, Roark said:

I'm not building the Darkfire Daemonrift Endless Spell into anything now because I think it's definitely going to be FAQ'd to be StD allegiance only.

However, I feel that resurrecting 4d3 Bloodcrushers on a 3+ per command point is quite strong and may escape notice... 😉

Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant
- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First Prince
Mortal Realm: Hysh
Be'Lakor (240)
- General
- Spell: Echo of Hatred
Bloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)
- Artefact: Aetherquartz Brooch
Bloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)
- Artefact: Lens of Refraction
Bloodmaster, Herald of Khorne (80)
10 x Bloodletters (110)
10 x Bloodletters (110)
10 x Bloodletters (110)
6 x Bloodcrushers (240)
6 x Bloodcrushers (240)
6 x Bloodcrushers (240)
6 x Bloodcrushers (240)
Host of Rage (160)
Extra Command Point (50)
Suffocating Gravetide (20)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Wounds: 149
 

I'm mildly concerned that I actually have all the models to do this... ok except the dark master himself

 

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3 hours ago, backslide said:

I'm mildly concerned that I actually have all the models to do this... ok except the dark master himself

I think it needs a Changecaster or Fluxmaster purely to summon Horrors every turn. Do you have one of those guys and *checks notes* 50 Pink Horrors? 😉

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2 hours ago, Roark said:

I think it needs a Changecaster or Fluxmaster purely to summon Horrors every turn. Do you have one of those guys and *checks notes* 50 Pink Horrors? 😉

I'd love to run and summon horrors. But 10 pinks, 20 blues and 20 ember things per unit is expensive to buy and Hella time consuming to paint for summoned  200pt unit.

 

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I've been considering lists. Here are three that I like. Same sort of back bone. Would love and advice on them.

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Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant
- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First Prince

Leaders
Be'Lakor (240)
- General
- Spell: Bolt of Ruin
Gaunt Summoner on Disc of Tzeentch (260)
- Spell: Spirit Gouge
Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)
- Axe
Verminlord Corruptor (280)
- Spell: Echo of Hatred

Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers (320)
10 x Bloodletters (110)
10 x Bloodletters (110)

Units
6 x Plague Drones (400)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (60)

Total: 1990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 113

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Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant
- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First Prince

Leaders
Be'Lakor (240)
- General
- Spell: Bolt of Ruin
Gaunt Summoner on Disc of Tzeentch (260)
- Spell: Spirit Gouge
Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)
- Axe
Verminlord Corruptor (280)
- Spell: Echo of Hatred

Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers (320)
10 x Bloodletters (110)
10 x Bloodletters (110)

Units
1 x Exalted Flamers of Tzeentch (100)
3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)
3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)
3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)

Total: 1990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 105


 

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Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant
- Host of Chaos: Legion of the First Prince

Leaders
Be'Lakor (240)
- General
- Spell: Bolt of Ruin
The Contorted Epitome (200)
- Artefact: Fourfold Blade
- Spell: Echo of Hatred
Gaunt Summoner on Disc of Tzeentch (260)
- Spell: Spirit Gouge
Slaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)
- Axe
Spoilpox Scrivener Herald of Nurgle (90)

Battleline
30 x Plaguebearers (320)
10 x Bloodletters (110)
10 x Bloodletters (110)

Units
1 x Exalted Flamers of Tzeentch (100)
3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)
3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)
3 x Flamers of Tzeentch (120)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 105

 

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5 hours ago, Roark said:

I think it needs a Changecaster or Fluxmaster purely to summon Horrors every turn. Do you have one of those guys and *checks notes* 50 Pink Horrors? 😉

Probably need 100, in case you succeed in your summoning roll 2 turns in a row.

And another 50, because a gaunt summoner is clearly the ideal summoning beacon.

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7 hours ago, Roark said:

I think it needs a Changecaster or Fluxmaster purely to summon Horrors every turn. Do you have one of those guys and *checks notes* 50 Pink Horrors? 😉

I agree but then it would only have 18 bloodcrushers 😥 3x6 would be ok I guess, but getting the 8 units for the battlion gets tougher

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The lists I write all end up looking something like this:

Allegiance: Legion of Chaos Ascendant

Leaders
Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch (240)
Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch (240)
Be'Lakor (240)

Battleline
10 x Plaguebearers (120)
10 x Plaguebearers (120)
10 x Plaguebearers (120)

Units
3 x Skull Cannons (390)
3 x Skull Cannons (390)

Total: 1860 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 90
 

Plaguebearers give you a nice resilient but relatively cheap core (no sense buying battleline horrors when you can summon them via allegiance or summoner). A pair of summoners give you bodies and tzeentch summoning options. If the points make sense, you add discs to those summoners. Belakor because hes Belakor. 

Skull cannon units could each be replaced by various elite options, such as 6 bloodcrushers and a skull master. 

There's a bit of slack to add flavour of the day. 

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