Luperci Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 3 minutes ago, novakai said: Also keep in mind, like Horus heresy, Old world is not supported retail wise in GW stores since it still a specialist game and doesn’t get its own shelves (unless it’s a Warhammer cafe store which sells everything) only AoS and 40K get their own shelves in the local stores I've been in, ToW has a shelf with other specialist games stuff (blood bowl, underworlds etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 46 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said: You think this is still the case now that TOW is back ? Has the AoS train lost steam since the release of 3rd edition ? I used to think the 4th edition starter box was gonna blow everything because if the Skaven inside, but now that GW has enraged a lot of the community with its anti consumer squatting move, I don't know. Imo it is almost impossible that TOW sold more than Dominion. Stocks levels of both releases cannot be compared at all. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon-knight77 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 10 minutes ago, EonChao said: Wasn't it also mentioned in Dark Harvest that Kurnoth is stirring in his "death"? I'm not 100% because it's been a while since I read it but it rings a bell. In Dark harvest it reveal that Spoiler when Alrielle found Kurnous his reincarnation was incomplete and was left a savage beast where she had to tame the beast and then proceed to flay him alive to remove the darkness. From the flayed body he was reborn as Kurnoth that we know as while the flayed skin that had all the darkness was seal down bellow in a weald. Dark Harvest was all about the sigmarite priest finding out that the skin melded into a being call The Old Stag (a tittle sylvaneth book sort mention) and had this celtic barony build around his prison worship & blood sacrifice to him in a wickerman-esq ceremonies in exchange for good bounty as he begin to break free and even corrupt sylvaneth. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaellas Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 36 minutes ago, GhostShark said: what if faction A only sells more than faction B because you put all your resources into it? A decade solid of promotion, new releases, novels, video games, animation and 4 starter boxes. I don't think people realize that Space Marines and SCE are popular because GW focused on them to the near exclusion of everything else for years (and for decades in the case of Marines). They could also do this with other factions if they wanted to. Not every faction would gain the same benefit from a because of promotion, but nearly every faction would see real and likely permanent growth. That's how this works. Wouldn't it be nice to have MULTIPLE factions that sell that well? You know, to make more money? Tbh I'm one of the people who came in and saw both marines and stormcast as poster boys and was not interested. I usually prefer stuff like elves and large monsters, but the more I got in to the Hobby the more I came to like Stormcast. At first they seemed just bland large soldiers, strong and not much to them but after getting in to their lore I really started to like them. For Marines I've never been that in to them and tbh even with 40k books they still did not interest me. Getting in to the Horus Heresy novels made me really enjoy Space marines a lot more, especially the ones back then, and even start to appreciate Chaos. I still personally prefer other factions over them both, but I still came to appreciate them more from a lore standpoint. While it is true that they are both in our face, they are the starter faction, get so much attention and everywhere there is more to it than just their posterboyness. Stormcast has actually even not been the most popular faction in most played armies as faction popularity has switched around over the years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said: In Dark harvest it reveal that Hide contents when Alrielle found Kurnous his reincarnation was incomplete and was left a savage beast where she had to tame the beast and then proceed to flay him alive to remove the darkness. From the flayed body he was reborn as Kurnoth that we know as while the flayed skin that had all the darkness was seal down bellow in a weald. Dark Harvest was all about the sigmarite priest finding out that the skin melded into a being call The Old Stag (a tittle sylvaneth book sort mention) and had this celtic barony build around his prison worship & blood sacrifice to him in a wickerman-esq ceremonies in exchange for good bounty as he begin to break free and even corrupt sylvaneth. wow that's awesome, might have to read that next, I've been listening to soul wars and so far Josh Reynolds' writing has been pretty solid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaellas Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 7 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said: In Dark harvest it reveal that Reveal hidden contents when Alrielle found Kurnous his reincarnation was incomplete and was left a savage beast where she had to tame the beast and then proceed to flay him alive to remove the darkness. From the flayed body he was reborn as Kurnoth that we know as while the flayed skin that had all the darkness was seal down bellow in a weald. Dark Harvest was all about the sigmarite priest finding out that the skin melded into a being call The Old Stag (a tittle sylvaneth book sort mention) and had this celtic barony build around his prison worship & blood sacrifice to him in a wickerman-esq ceremonies in exchange for good bounty as he begin to break free and even corrupt sylvaneth. Argh I need to find out whatever is revealed. I just got Dark Harvest on audible so need to listen to that next for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 44 minutes ago, KingBrodd said: AOS will continue to outsell TOW yes. The majority of TOW players are still using their old models hence why the O&G Boxed set is still readily available even though it contains new sculpts. New players coming to the game are either coming from word of mouth or from Total War. For years the TWW community was crying out for TOW to return and some of those werent even around for WHFB. I know because Im mates with some of these people, these very same people that since TOW has returned have not bought into it. I dont want to make it about TOW vs AOS but at the end of the day TOW will always seem like a cash grab to me. I love the setting but the Mortal Realms offers me so much more, including modern sculpts, not decades old ones at modern prices.* *Stares at Ogors and Skaven waiting for their updates. I think that the O&G box is not selling so well also because it has less discount in proportion compared with the Brets and the TK. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 minute ago, Ejecutor said: I think that the O&G box is not selling so well also because it has less discount in proportion compared with the Brets and the TK. there's also nothing new like the dragon or pegasus lord right 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novakai Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Also those model are in the not age well category (definitely not geting any instagram likes with those Orc boyz) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 27 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said: In Dark harvest it reveal that Reveal hidden contents when Alrielle found Kurnous his reincarnation was incomplete and was left a savage beast where she had to tame the beast and then proceed to flay him alive to remove the darkness. From the flayed body he was reborn as Kurnoth that we know as while the flayed skin that had all the darkness was seal down bellow in a weald. Dark Harvest was all about the sigmarite priest finding out that the skin melded into a being call The Old Stag (a tittle sylvaneth book sort mention) and had this celtic barony build around his prison worship & blood sacrifice to him in a wickerman-esq ceremonies in exchange for good bounty as he begin to break free and even corrupt sylvaneth. 23 minutes ago, Luperci said: wow that's awesome, might have to read that next, I've been listening to soul wars and so far Josh Reynolds' writing has been pretty solid 19 minutes ago, Vaellas said: Argh I need to find out whatever is revealed. I just got Dark Harvest on audible so need to listen to that next for sure Dark Harvest is hands down one of the best Black Library books!! It also comes under Warhammer Horror and it definitely earns that title as more than once it gave me chills!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonhel Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 6 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: I think that the O&G box is not selling so well also because it has less discount in proportion compared with the Brets and the TK. It's a very boring box. The upcoming dwarfs ones is much better in composition and discount (if priced the same). Also, indeed very old mini's. I think all the new O&G stuff sold out quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Brotherhood of Necros Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 With the dwarfs announced, do we know any rumours about who‘s up for their Old World spotlight next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrac Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Am I pressing f5 on warcom page just for a slight chance to get a single ****** phrase implying rats? Yes, yes i am 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon-knight77 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 2 minutes ago, The Brotherhood of Necros said: With the dwarfs announced, do we know any rumours about who‘s up for their Old World spotlight next? If you go by the shield theory it either High elves vs Warrior of chaos or Wood elves and oh geez Beast of chaos beastmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chikout Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 hour ago, GhostShark said: what if faction A only sells more than faction B because you put all your resources into it? A decade solid of promotion, new releases, novels, video games, animation and 4 starter boxes. I don't think people realize that Space Marines and SCE are popular because GW focused on them to the near exclusion of everything else for years (and for decades in the case of Marines). They could also do this with other factions if they wanted to. Not every faction would gain the same benefit from a because of promotion, but nearly every faction would see real and likely permanent growth. That's how this works. Wouldn't it be nice to have MULTIPLE factions that sell that well? You know, to make more money? This isn't true in the case of Stormcast though. GW certainly put out too much stuff for Stormcast in first edition but since second edition they've been getting about 10% of releases which isn't excessive for a lead product. In second edition Gloomspite, Nighthaunt, Slaanesh, Lumineth, Soulblight and Slaves to darkness got more kits than Stormcast. In third Slaves to darkness and Orruk warclans will end up with more releases than Stormcast. Even in black library there have been more Duardin focused books than Stormcast ones in 3rd edition. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasshpit Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 14 minutes ago, Ejecutor said: I think that the O&G box is not selling so well also because it has less discount in proportion compared with the Brets and the TK. It doesn't help that those units aren't the best overall in the rules currently. Black orcs and night goblins seem to be go to choices at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lost Sigmarite Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 3 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said: If you go by the shield theory it either High elves vs Warrior of chaos or Wood elves and oh geez Beast of chaos beastmen They always start with the bad guy faction, TK was before Brets and O&G before Dwarfs, so imo it's either BM or WoC next followed by an opposing elf faction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaellas Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 14 minutes ago, KingBrodd said: Dark Harvest is hands down one of the best Black Library books!! It also comes under Warhammer Horror and it definitely earns that title as more than once it gave me chills!! Hoenstly so far the Horror Black library novels I have been really enjoying so far and that was the main reason I grabbed it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 51 minutes ago, Tonhel said: Ofcourse AoS will outsell TOW. Lol, the amount of resources put in both systems isn't comperable at all. I wouldn't be amazed that the budget for Warcry or underworlds beats the budget that TOW has easily. But it doesn't matter. What does matter is the return of investement. And "currently" for TOW its really, really good. TOW is anything but a money grab, maybe for the upper management it was in the beginning, but not for the designers. It's a product of love. The forces of fantasy combined with the Arcane journals is much more than Warhammer 8th edition ever gave and that time WHFB was still a main game. Anyway the scope of the project has changed. Which means upper management gave green light. In what it will result. No idea. But something has changed for the better for the future of TOW. It's absurd when you compare it. The armylists in Forces of fantasy/ ravening hordes + a thin Arcane journal gives a lot more options and flavour than any old Warhammer 8th edition book released when it was still a main game. It only shows how GW upper managment mishandled WHFB in the last years of its life. It is almost impossible that TOW ROI is not very good considering that most of the range has been paid years ago. Even if you only sell one kit of those it will outperform any game. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gitzdee Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/2/2024 at 7:06 PM, Gitzdee said: Yeah i dont get why. Bonesplitterz are easy to paint, look great on posters and are most of the time already called boyz in 40k anyway, small transition to posterboyz. Everyone knows what an orruk is. Bonesplitterz for posterboyz! When GW is so threatened by a post they press "Delete". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ejecutor Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 45 minutes ago, Vaellas said: Tbh I'm one of the people who came in and saw both marines and stormcast as poster boys and was not interested. I usually prefer stuff like elves and large monsters, but the more I got in to the Hobby the more I came to like Stormcast. At first they seemed just bland large soldiers, strong and not much to them but after getting in to their lore I really started to like them. For Marines I've never been that in to them and tbh even with 40k books they still did not interest me. Getting in to the Horus Heresy novels made me really enjoy Space marines a lot more, especially the ones back then, and even start to appreciate Chaos. I still personally prefer other factions over them both, but I still came to appreciate them more from a lore standpoint. While it is true that they are both in our face, they are the starter faction, get so much attention and everywhere there is more to it than just their posterboyness. Stormcast has actually even not been the most popular faction in most played armies as faction popularity has switched around over the years. The problem is that in many cases people don't read the lore. So you cannot rely on that to sell an army. Whichever it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 4 minutes ago, Vaellas said: Hoenstly so far the Horror Black library novels I have been really enjoying so far and that was the main reason I grabbed it. Ghothgull Hollow and Briadark are both excellent reads. I must get onto Black Eyed Saint. Even though it doesnt come under the Horror banner, Gloomspite by Andy Clarke is absolutely terrifying and shows that the Gitz are truly more scary than their comedic antics would lead you to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBrodd Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Really hoping for Dawnbringers 6 to be up for Pre Order next weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon-knight77 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 7 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said: They always start with the bad guy faction, TK was before Brets and O&G before Dwarfs, so imo it's either BM or WoC next followed by an opposing elf faction. it has to be Warriors of chaos right? right? they would be so insensitive and the read the room to roll out Beastmen? right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luperci Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Just now, KingBrodd said: Really hoping for Dawnbringers 6 to be up for Pre Order tonight. oh jeez I can't spend more money on minis for those darkoath rn haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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