Hebroseph Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Models don't have a firing arc in AOS or 40k these days, you can shoot out the rear of the magma cannon as long as you can draw line of sight from the model to the target. Kinda stupid looking, but it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravinsild Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Is this more or less what a decent list should look like then? Are any of the battalions worth it? Allegiance: Legion of AzgorhMortal Realm: AqshyLeadersDrazhoath the Ashen (320)Bull Centaur Taur'ruk (160)Infernal Guard Castellan (120)- Darkforged Weapon & SpiteshieldInfernal Guard Battle Standard Bearer (100)- General- Trait: Lord of War- Artefact: Crown of ConquestDaemonsmith (100)- Darkforged WeaponBattleline30 x Infernal Guard Ironsworn (240)10 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (100)10 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (100)3 x Bull Centaur Renders (180)3 x Bull Centaur Renders (180)War MachinesMagma Cannon (140)Magma Cannon (140)Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher (120)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 132 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entombet Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 hours ago, Ravinsild said: Is this more or less what a decent list should look like then? Are any of the battalions worth it? Allegiance: Legion of AzgorhMortal Realm: AqshyLeadersDrazhoath the Ashen (320)Bull Centaur Taur'ruk (160)Infernal Guard Castellan (120)- Darkforged Weapon & SpiteshieldInfernal Guard Battle Standard Bearer (100)- General- Trait: Lord of War- Artefact: Crown of ConquestDaemonsmith (100)- Darkforged WeaponBattleline30 x Infernal Guard Ironsworn (240)10 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (100)10 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (100)3 x Bull Centaur Renders (180)3 x Bull Centaur Renders (180)War MachinesMagma Cannon (140)Magma Cannon (140)Deathshrieker Rocket Launcher (120)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 132 It's okayish if you like bull centaurs. Most of the time im making tau'ruk a general. I think i never fielded castellan and bsb. I would swap them and deathsrieker for skullcracker and third magma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravinsild Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 54 minutes ago, Entombet said: It's okayish if you like bull centaurs. Most of the time im making tau'ruk a general. I think i never fielded castellan and bsb. I would swap them and deathsrieker for skullcracker and third magma. Ohhhh interesting. Are their command abilities and auras not worth it? I figured if I was taking a Tau’ruk it might be worth it to take Bull Centaurs? Otherwise I guess there aren’t very many buffs or synergies going out? Hm this is different from Khorne hahaha. So basically delete Castellan, BSB, Bull Centaurs and gain more... war machines? Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheadTheOgorSlayer Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ravinsild said: Ohhhh interesting. Are their command abilities and auras not worth it? I figured if I was taking a Tau’ruk it might be worth it to take Bull Centaurs? Otherwise I guess there aren’t very many buffs or synergies going out? Hm this is different from Khorne hahaha. So basically delete Castellan, BSB, Bull Centaurs and gain more... war machines? Haha They have abilties that are worth it however they are SLOWWWWWWWW so the Castellan doesn’t need see much use... and BSB isn’t required really as our units are already amazing at stock (looking sexy with 4 ups and base rend yummy) skull crackers and ranged weapons allow dwarves to pretend they aren’t slow and hit hard. Always a good choice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravinsild Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, TheadTheOgorSlayer said: They have abilties that are worth it however they are SLOWWWWWWWW so the Castellan doesn’t need see much use... and BSB isn’t required really as our units are already amazing at stock (looking sexy with 4 ups and base rend yummy) skull crackers and ranged weapons allow dwarves to pretend they aren’t slow and hit hard. Always a good choice! Here I was looking at forcing enemies to come to me with artillery so they could not ignore it and then once they got within 12” use my Lord of War to get 3+ hit and the Castellan ability for 3+ wound on my riflemen to blast those front units down haha. Maybe it’s better to just use volume of fire? I’m so used to Khorne where everything is so buff reliant. It makes sense I guess I’m thinking about it from a melee army perspective and so I’m like “when they get to my shield wall warriors out in front of my riflemen they’ll be great at melee cuz they’ll be trying to charge me!” But I guess that would be for nobody but Khorne lmao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entombet Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Yes there isnt many buff synergies in LoA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheadTheOgorSlayer Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 41 minutes ago, Ravinsild said: Here I was looking at forcing enemies to come to me with artillery so they could not ignore it and then once they got within 12” use my Lord of War to get 3+ hit and the Castellan ability for 3+ wound on my riflemen to blast those front units down haha. Maybe it’s better to just use volume of fire? I’m so used to Khorne where everything is so buff reliant. It makes sense I guess I’m thinking about it from a melee army perspective and so I’m like “when they get to my shield wall warriors out in front of my riflemen they’ll be great at melee cuz they’ll be trying to charge me!” But I guess that would be for nobody but Khorne lmao. You also need forward strength and the ability to take objectives, so the warmachines help add some speed and Krump the enemy so that your slow infantry can saunter up and take it afterwards haha. If bull centaurs were premier hammers then running them of course would work fine for chaos dwarves... they just don’t pack as much punch as nescessary and that leaves ranged options and warmachines to contend midfield and beyond. That being said the melee warmachines is hard to come by... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravinsild Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 I was looking at option like a Daemon Prince, Chimera, and stuff like that to sort of be blitzkrieg hammers to shoot out (10+ movement speed with lots of attacks) to tear into some screens or objectives. Anyone tried anything like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheadTheOgorSlayer Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 22 minutes ago, Ravinsild said: I was looking at option like a Daemon Prince, Chimera, and stuff like that to sort of be blitzkrieg hammers to shoot out (10+ movement speed with lots of attacks) to tear into some screens or objectives. Anyone tried anything like that? Next you’ll be saying we should use our old hobgoblins as marauders or something! Balphemy! We need no Ally! honestly everything that can keep pace with them melee warmachines should work fine. Just remember the rule of thumb: target saturation (also don’t mark tzeentch on the daemon prince that sucks unless that’s your allegiance) also remember they are mostly not as tough and as such will die before them (Nurgle Daemon prince gets a boost in defence right? Maybe run that so the opponent doesn’t know what to kill first) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravinsild Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 So I reckon a typical solid list is Drazhoath, Bull Centaur Taur'ruk (no Bull Centaur normies though), Daemonsmith and then maybe 40 Ironsworn and 40 Fireglaives fill the rest with x1 War Machine and Magma Cannons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheadTheOgorSlayer Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ravinsild said: So I reckon a typical solid list is Drazhoath, Bull Centaur Taur'ruk (no Bull Centaur normies though), Daemonsmith and then maybe 40 Ironsworn and 40 Fireglaives fill the rest with x1 War Machine and Magma Cannons? Yes! Look into endless spells as well it can be worth it. Also if your local meta loves terrain sometimes the deathshrieker can be better then a magma due to range and not needing line of sight (although most of the time the magma is better) I also like fitting two warmachines ti fix my ocd and have one at each flank just cuz. It’s a top tier strategy I’m sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravinsild Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, TheadTheOgorSlayer said: Yes! Look into endless spells as well it can be worth it. Also if your local meta loves terrain sometimes the deathshrieker can be better then a magma due to range and not needing line of sight (although most of the time the magma is better) I also like fitting two warmachines ti fix my ocd and have one at each flank just cuz. It’s a top tier strategy I’m sure So roughly something like this? Allegiance: Legion of AzgorhLeadersDrazhoath the Ashen (320)Bull Centaur Taur'ruk (160)Daemonsmith (100)- General- Darkforged Weapon- Trait: Lord of War- Artefact: Armour of Bazherak the Cruel Battleline20 x Infernal Guard Ironsworn (180)20 x Infernal Guard Ironsworn (180)10 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (100)10 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (100)10 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (100)War MachinesIron Daemon War Engine (180)Magma Cannon (140)Magma Cannon (140)Magma Cannon (140)BattalionsHashut's Wrath Artillery Train (120)Endless SpellsThe Burning Head (40)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 124 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheadTheOgorSlayer Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) @Ravinsild if you are happy with that formation, drops, and models then it should work fine as is. More experienced evil moustache twirlers should be able to critique the list in a finer way but that looks like it’s ready for playtesting and tweaking for your liking. Just keep in mind while playing possible changes in endless spells, placement, and unit sizes as all of the main work better vs certain opponents. Good luck on your quest to enslave and kill everyone else! also don’t you have an extra artifact as well? Gryph feather charm does well on the centaur (I’d almost make him the warlord depending on your plan) Edited April 2, 2019 by TheadTheOgorSlayer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravinsild Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, TheadTheOgorSlayer said: @Ravinsild if you are happy with that formation, drops, and models then it should work fine as is. More experienced evil moustache twirlers should be able to critique the list in a finer way but that looks like it’s ready for playtesting and tweaking for your liking. Just keep in mind while playing possible changes in endless spells, placement, and unit sizes as all of the main work better vs certain opponents. Good luck on your quest to enslave and kill everyone else! also don’t you have an extra artifact as well? Gryph feather charm does well on the centaur (I’d almost make him the warlord depending on your plan) Well I was more hammering out what to buy first. I was probably going to go 10 men at a time and paint them up and work toward 1,000 points, then 2,000 gradually. I was just feeling out the army right now. I'm excited and I think I'll get my first squad of sword and shield boys today 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Televiper11 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 4/2/2019 at 8:24 AM, Entombet said: I think magma was mistaken with deathsrieker That's correct. My mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Televiper11 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) I am taking this list for a test spin soon: Allegiance: Legion of AzgorhBull Centaur Taur'ruk (160)- General- Trait: Grotesque - Artefact: Armour of Bazherak the Cruel Daemonsmith (100)- Darkforged Weapon- Artefact: Chalice of Blood and Darkness Infernal Guard Castellan (120)- Darkforged Weapon & Pyrelock PistolInfernal Guard Battle Standard Bearer (100)Chaos Sorcerer Lord (160)- Runestaff- Allies20 x Infernal Guard Ironsworn (180)10 x Infernal Guard Ironsworn (90)20 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (200)20 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (200)Magma Cannon (140)Hellcannon (300)Blackshard Warhost (160)Prismatic Palisade (30)Soulsnare Shackles (20)Balewind Vortex (40)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 160 / 400Wounds: 112 (I recognize that the Hell Cannon doesn't currently have the LoA keyword but my gaming group agrees that since it has a chaos dwarf crew, I can run it as part of my list without going over my ally points) Edited April 3, 2019 by Televiper11 Added a photo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.C.D. Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Would it be worth running 4 skullcrackers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheadTheOgorSlayer Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 20 minutes ago, B.C.D. said: Would it be worth running 4 skullcrackers? In all honesty you’ll be tougher and more damaging then most “chariots” at that price tag. And it’s one of our best units... add a magma for every train to carry with it 😂😂😂 if you find yourself lacking in numbers due to your heavy investment, then pick up some marauder allies (we can ally with marauders right?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebroseph Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) I'd love to know where you are getting 4 SkullCrackers lol. Are Iron Daemons and SkullCrackers the same size? Can I convert the ID's with a Deffroller or something to make skullcrackers? Edited April 4, 2019 by Hebroseph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Krungharr Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Oh yeah, I definitely want to try the 4 skullcracker/magma list! Hmmm, let's see, that's 800/560/300 (3x10 fireglaives)/100 daemonsmith=1760. That leaves enough for 40 Marauders @200 pts who can ally with us because they're Slaves to Darkness, leaving enough points for like Geminids maybe?,.....OR 40 Plague Monks who even without support are pretty darn good, who can ally with us because they're Nurgle. Hmmmmmm…. I've attached a picture of my engine army in battle vs the Idoneth. I neglected to take one of it all set up on the little display board though. I'll do that tomorrow morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.C.D. Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Hebroseph said: I'd love to know where you are getting 4 SkullCrackers lol. Are Iron Daemons and SkullCrackers the same size? Can I convert the ID's with a Deffroller or something to make skullcrackers? Luckily I got 4 back when they were still available from FW's website. Two built and painted and the other two are still untouched in their bag. The skullcracker is about the same size as the ID. You can always go and maybe attach two big pendulum endless spells coming down the front to make it look like a skullcracker 1 hour ago, Lord Krungharr said: I've attached a picture of my engine army in battle vs the Idoneth. I neglected to take one of it all set up on the little display board though. I'll do that tomorrow morning. Wow thanks for sharing. I really dig your converted magmacannons and skullcracker Edited April 4, 2019 by B.C.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Televiper11 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Toying with this list for a 1K tourney coming up: Allegiance: Legion of Azgorh Mortal Realm: UlguDaemonsmith (100)- General- Darkforged Weapon- Trait: Grotesque - Artefact: Armour of Bazherak the Cruel Infernal Guard Castellan (120)- Darkforged Weapon & Spiteshield- Artefact: Chalice of Blood and Darkness Infernal Guard Battle Standard Bearer (100)10 x Infernal Guard Ironsworn (90)10 x Infernal Guard Ironsworn (90)10 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (100)10 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (100)Magma Cannon (140)Blackshard Warhost (160)Total: 1000 / 2000Wounds: 60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravinsild Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) This is perfect! I want to get into this army, and wouldn't you freaking know it our local Games Workshop is literally doing an escalation league starting with 350 points! I'm thinking to get started, since there's no start collecting set, 10 fireglaive, 1 magma cannon and 1 daemonsmith. That's 340! Hopefully I can paint them and get them ready by the time the point bracket goes up. Any thoughts on this starting point? Obviously I could go big ballsy and just do Drazhoath the man himself for all 320 points and an endless spell LOL Edited April 4, 2019 by Ravinsild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Televiper11 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 1x Daemonsmith, 10x Fireglaives, 1x Magma Cannon is a great start for an escalation league! Plant the smith behind the cannon to buff it while the Glaives advance and fire. As your points escalate, work towards the Blackshard Battalion. Painting them is super-easy if you prime them black and base them red (or any other color you desire). Here's a photo of my red ones: I plan to add some bronze highlights to their armor. Edited April 4, 2019 by Televiper11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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