Connelj2 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Hey guys I have a tournament coming up and I was wondering if I could have some help with this list: Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeadersLord Celestant (100)- General- Trait: Staunch Defender - Stormcast EternalsLord Castellant (100)- Mystic Light: Lantern of the TempestLord Relictor (80)- Prayer: Lightning Chariot- Mystic Light: Lantern of the TempestKnight Venator (120)- Artefact: Luckstone Battleline5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows10 x Liberators (200)- WarhammersUnits10 x Paladin Retributors (440)10 x Paladin Protectors (400)3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins(80)1 x Gryph-Hound (40)BattalionsHammerstrike Force (120)Total: 2000/2000 the idea behind the lightening chariot prayer is to help move units around to were I need them, castellent to help buff saves, relictor to help heal and for prayer, I'm wondering is a veritant would be better? Venator is to help deal with heros, liberators for a tank wall, and to hold objectives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURF1 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Connelj2 said: Hey guys I have a tournament coming up and I was wondering if I could have some help with this list: Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeadersLord Celestant (100)- General- Trait: Staunch Defender - Stormcast EternalsLord Castellant (100)- Mystic Light: Lantern of the TempestLord Relictor (80)- Prayer: Lightning Chariot- Mystic Light: Lantern of the TempestKnight Venator (120)- Artefact: Luckstone Battleline5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows10 x Liberators (200)- WarhammersUnits10 x Paladin Retributors (440)10 x Paladin Protectors (400)3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins(80)1 x Gryph-Hound (40)BattalionsHammerstrike Force (120)Total: 2000/2000 the idea behind the lightening chariot prayer is to help move units around to were I need them, castellent to help buff saves, relictor to help heal and for prayer, I'm wondering is a veritant would be better? Venator is to help deal with heros, liberators for a tank wall, and to hold objectives Just letting you know that the list is illegal. A)relictors don't get mystic lights, B) Mystic lights cost artefact slots so you have 1 too many total artefact type things. As for the list itself, I might drop 10 libbys and the gryph for 5 more judicators and 3 more prosecutors in the hammerstrike battalion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connelj2 Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Lol that is just a typo from the army builder, for some reason it keeps giving lights were it isn't suppose to go, and what is the purpose of adding more judicators? Wouldn't I need more bodies for objectives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURF1 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Connelj2 said: Lol that is just a typo from the army builder, for some reason it keeps giving lights were it isn't suppose to go, and what is the purpose of adding more judicators? Wouldn't I need more bodies for objectives? Not if everything else is dead. To expand a unit of 10 liberators is fine but without inspiring or the order trait they will absolutely blow up to battleshock, if you do want libbys for objective take 2 units of 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connelj2 Posted March 13, 2017 Author Share Posted March 13, 2017 Ok, that makes since, so I think I will change that too 2 units of libs in playing US meta so shooting isn't that big here yet, would would the best command trait be? I though staunch commander would be good to help with survivability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connelj2 Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 Would this list be better then? Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeadersKnight Venator (120)- Artefact: Luckstone Lord Celestant (100)- General- Trait: Staunch Defender - Stormcast EternalsLord Castellant (100)- Mystic Light: Lantern of the TempestLord Relictor (80)- Prayer: Lightning Chariot- Mystic Light: Lantern of the TempestBattleline10 x Liberators (200)- warhammers and shield5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bow5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bow5 x Judicators (160)- Boltstorm Crossbows- 1x Shockbolt BowUnits6 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins(160)- 2x Stormsurge Trident5 x Paladin Protectors (200)- 2x Starsoul Mace10 x Paladin Retributors (440)- 4x Starsoul MaceBattalionsHammerstrike Force (120)Total: 2000/2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornes_Berzerker Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 That's almost the exact list I'm taking to an event next month lol. I take a veritant over a venator. List looks solid to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connelj2 Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017 Is it really worth giving up the hero slaying of the venator or the extra prayer from venator? I am also wondering if it is better to take all sky bolt bows instead on one unit with crossbows, what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornes_Berzerker Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Problem I'm finding with venator is sure he'll hit and wound but being only rend -1 hurts becaus it's the most important part of the ability(failing the save) and you have no control over it. Also like I said I take the veritant cuz I like him better as a character. His dispelling does help too. always bows on judicators Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, Khornes_Berzerker said: always bows on judicators There may be a case for crossbow units (primes still with bow special) being weapon blessed and lightning charioted across the board in the new meta. We just don't know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 31 minutes ago, Khornes_Berzerker said: Problem I'm finding with venator is sure he'll hit and wound but being only rend -1 hurts becaus it's the most important part of the ability(failing the save) and you have no control over it. Also like I said I take the veritant cuz I like him better as a character. His dispelling does help too. always bows on judicators Which is why I dislike using the Luckstone on anything except the Damage roll - no use wasting it if the save is going to be made anyway. Still, Rend -1 on 4+ enemies gives you a good shake to get through, but nothing is guaranteed. If it was Mortal, he'd have been way more expensive, so I'm fine with it the way it is. I've only used the Veritant a few times and he's never wowed me. Dispelling is nice, but super unreliable and if they don't have a Wizard (or at least one that you can get close to), it's not that useful. His melee is better than average, but still not really amazing enough to be a threat in and of himself. He's nice for taking a buffing spell and using one of the Lanterns, but I don't know if I'd ever want him instead of a Relictor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, Requizen said: Which is why I dislike using the Luckstone on anything except the Damage roll - no use wasting it if the save is going to be made anyway. But once you blow the star fated arrow its not like you get a second one. Its part of the reason I am not sure Ill use a luckstone venator at all. I just have bad luck with star fated arrow period! Ive tried it in a match 3 times total and missed twice (two 1s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connelj2 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 Would a obsidian stone venator be better then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, Connelj2 said: Would a obsidian stone venator be better then? Think you mean obsidian blade and not amulet. Its melee weapon only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chord Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I like the Venator , just for the fact you are getting 6 ranged attacks out of him every turn. (unless you use the star fated arrow, then it's 3 for that turn). Additionally he's an elevated model for better LOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connelj2 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 Which artifact would be best on a venator is not a luck stone? I mainly like the shooting on him as well, and besides maybe a veritant I'm not sure what to replace him with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I would say that if you're not taking a Luckstone, you're probably better off taking that Artifact slot on a different Hero. None of the melee ones help him, and the defensive ones are less useful on him with his speed and range, better off on a melee Hero who is going to be in the thick of things. If he's the only one left, any of the defensive ones are good on him. Mirrorshield is a fan favorite, and is good for letting him stay safe against other ranged abilities. Armour of Destiny is a good all-around choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connelj2 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 Which artifact would be best on a venator is not a luck stone? I mainly like the shooting on him as well, and besides maybe a veritant I'm not sure what to replace him with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connelj2 Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 So luckstone venator is pretty much the best way to take him to get the most out of his arrow? Would any other hero work better in this list, there are no side boards in this tourney so I'm trying to get this as all comers as I can, I think I may change the crossbow judicators to the storm bolt bows for the extra range and damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauderon Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Would it be possible to use bless weapons on a luck stone Venator, in order to get a guaranteed 6 to hit, allowing you to fire a second arrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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