BaronBanana Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 (edited) So, I'm trying to come up with a list to properly theme a city that's run by dragons. I picked up this model that I want to counts as an awesome centerpiece model, like a Lord-Celestant on Stardrake, General on Griffon, or Dreadlord on Black Dragon. I figured Gyrocopters and Gyrobombers could be run as young dragons, wizards as dragonborn wizards/sorcerers. Any other ideas that the grand internet could help me with and maybe some models to go along with them? Edited June 6, 2021 by BaronBanana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingwalnut Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 I've been considering a lot of "Dragon Based" armies lately, due to both awesome lore in my head and GW's surprising lack of dragon focused armies. Lord-Celestant on Stardrake would be perfect for that beast of a model, and will likely get at least a rework in the up and coming Stormcast Eternals redo. As for the rest of the army...that gets weird. Gyrocopters aren't bad for little dragons, though they lack some combat punch that a beast with teeth and claws might have. General/Battlemages on Griffons or of course the Dreadlord/Sorceress on Dragon can work for smaller dragons and such, just converting the Black Dragon mini into a less ridden form. Hydras can make solid wingless Dragonoids! For a dragon RUN city, then having plenty of mortal servants for Freeguild/Duardin/Elven guard to run city proper. Simple motifs like Dragon helmets, dragon carvings on shield, or even diving deeper into a primal dragon deals with Realm of Beasts relations, you can have sacred dragon bones and such. Which could even blend into Realm of Death stuff? Cities runs a LOT of potential counts as, so honestly, just finding a balanced list and switching up the models as you like will often work fine. Having that big dragon centerpiece and several other Dragon tidbits will often get the point across. Having a Monster heavy Cities army isn't bad and will likely improve with the new fun stuff monsters can do in this new edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 You could consider the phoenecium and just replace every Phoenix with dragons. They benefit from having units die (+1 to hit/wound if one of your units died that phase) and then having other units that can take advantage of the buff that provides. So throngs of cheap flagellants (who have no save and also benefit from losing models) would represent your cult of dragon worshipers and then the phoenix guard could be converted with dragon helmets (look for 3rd party bits for 40k Salamanders maybe) because they are both generally amazing and better alongside phoenix mounted guys. Lastly you can bring the stardrake as your 1 in 4 stormcast unit to really stand out from the other younger dragons (phoenix) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronBanana Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 All great ideas, I have a few lists I've been working with to kind of build a "fluffy" list First one is having four dragons, The Luminark, CH, LC, and FHP, with their heavily armored garrison. Ambushing Dragons, for those that dare enter their realm Cult of the dragon with their royal guard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Isle Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 No black actual dragons?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronBanana Posted June 6, 2021 Author Share Posted June 6, 2021 7 hours ago, Lord of the Isle said: No black actual dragons?! I'm considering it, but I really like the rules for LC. I'm even considering just playing SCE because a lot of my conversion ideas stem from using the new thinner SCE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoonked Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 If you want basic infantry, the "dark elves" have a fair bit of draconic symbols. Mostly decals for the basic darkling coven infantry, but also scaled cloaks for black ark corsairs. Also, irondrakes have a LOT of draconic symbols, their weapons are shaped like dragon mouths and their banner also has some dragons on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapca Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Allegiance: Cities of Sigmar- City: Anvilgard (Illicit Dealings: Black Market Bounty)Mortal Realm: AqshyDreadlord on Black Dragon (300)- General- Lance of Spite & Shield- Command Trait: Blackfang Crimelord - Artefact: Drakescale Cloak - Drakeblood Curse: Fell GazeDreadlord on Black Dragon (300)- Lance of Spite & Shield- Drakeblood Curse: Jutting BonesSorceress on Black Dragon (300)- Witch Rod- Lore of Dark Sorcerery: Vitriolic SprayAssassin (80)- Artefact: Venomfang Blade - City Role: General's Adjutant 5 x Drakespawn Knights (130)- City Role: Honoured Retinue (Must be 5-20 models)5 x Drakespawn Knights (130)5 x Drakespawn Knights (130)40 x Darkshards (400)10 x Shadow Warriors (110)10 x Shadow Warriors (110)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 137 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronBanana Posted June 8, 2021 Author Share Posted June 8, 2021 18 hours ago, Sapca said: Allegiance: Cities of Sigmar- City: Anvilgard (Illicit Dealings: Black Market Bounty)Mortal Realm: AqshyDreadlord on Black Dragon (300)- General- Lance of Spite & Shield- Command Trait: Blackfang Crimelord - Artefact: Drakescale Cloak - Drakeblood Curse: Fell GazeDreadlord on Black Dragon (300)- Lance of Spite & Shield- Drakeblood Curse: Jutting BonesSorceress on Black Dragon (300)- Witch Rod- Lore of Dark Sorcerery: Vitriolic SprayAssassin (80)- Artefact: Venomfang Blade - City Role: General's Adjutant 5 x Drakespawn Knights (130)- City Role: Honoured Retinue (Must be 5-20 models)5 x Drakespawn Knights (130)5 x Drakespawn Knights (130)40 x Darkshards (400)10 x Shadow Warriors (110)10 x Shadow Warriors (110)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 137 I do like this list because it's triple dragon which is super up my alley. However, I'm shooting for a more thematic line up and your list gave me the idea of triple dragon and using hydras and kharibdyss as drakes and other wingless dragonkin with some infantry as "cultists" or "worshippers" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapca Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) On 6/8/2021 at 11:11 AM, BaronBanana said: I do like this list because it's triple dragon which is super up my alley. However, I'm shooting for a more thematic line up and your list gave me the idea of triple dragon and using hydras and kharibdyss as drakes and other wingless dragonkin with some infantry as "cultists" or "worshippers" Hmm, do it with Fleetmaster and Corsairs then. Kharibdyss with roar + fell gaze gives -3 to bravery in area. Dark Riders another -1. It can be nasty, just not vs OB Hydra with acid blood has has two good interactions (it guarantee heals and with acid blood, bounces few MW back in melee). So opponent kinda needs to go hard on her or you kinda get more out of both acid and heal. Sorceress on Dragon, use only with 40 Darkshards imo to use command ability. Otherwise Dreadlord better. Foot sorceress still good for -1 hit. Acidic Spray (save to - spell) can still be ok with pirates with xbows. Incantor is really good for 1 unbind and he's hard enough to eat some shooting (good Adjutant). -- This here is 1580 as core, 3 dragons, 2 hydras/kharbs and 3 battlelines (hydra/kharb is BL in Anvilgard). I really advise to have at least one unit of Shadow Warriors. Fleetmaster wont die with 20 strong routine, can use his CA on Kharb also. Corsairs with xbows are deceptively good damage also, resist some shooting. If you manage to get spray off they actually hurt things, can likely drop to 10 also without issue if you need extra 80 points. For maybe a Stardrake in middle of everything, hehe. But get some objective grabbers, archers,... Shadow Warriors are always awesome but there are also other options I guess. Niche thing you can do is bravery bombing, if CP gets important... -bravery will force some inspiring presences here. Well not on OB ofc... immune. Can drop 1 dragon as 3 seems bit overkill with monsters with also hydra+kharb in list, 1200 spent (2 dragons, 2 hydra/kharbs, 3bls, 2 extra heroes) and 800 left to play with... Anvilgard gives you 2 artifacts and 2 curses with Blackfang Crimelord.. With 3.0 edition you might want to drop one curse/artifact for d3 extra CP instead as that might be big. New Monster rules should be fun here as you would be able to use most of those all the time (Titanic Battle, Roar, Stomp,...). Allegiance: Cities of Sigmar- City: Anvilgard (Illicit Dealings: Black Market Bounty)Mortal Realm: AqshyDreadlord on Black Dragon (300)- Lance of Spite & Shield- Artefact: Drakescale Cloak Dreadlord on Black Dragon (300)- Lance of Spite & Shield- Artefact: Asphyxica Censer Dreadlord on Black Dragon (300)- Lance of Spite & ShieldBlack Ark Fleetmaster (60)- General- Command Trait: Blackfang Crimelord Knight-Incantor (120)- Lore of Dark Sorcerery: Vitriolic Spray- City Role: General's Adjutant 20 x Black Ark Corsairs (160)- Vicious Blade & Repeater Handbow- City Role: Honoured Retinue (Must be 5-20 models)Kharibdyss (170)- Drakeblood Curse: Fell GazeWar Hydra (170)- Drakeblood Curse: Acidic BloodTotal: 1580 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 96 EDIT: Hydras and Kharbys in Anvilgard do NOT count as Behemots towards the army limit! They are Battleline. Explained in FAQ (so theoretically, you could go 3 dragons and max hydras as you can fit.... or one Fleetmaster +11 hydras is also legit (1930 pt)) Edited June 9, 2021 by Sapca 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popisdead Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Can you still use Anvilguard? Wasn't it all dragons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaronBanana Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 On 6/9/2021 at 10:15 AM, Sapca said: Hmm, do it with Fleetmaster and Corsairs then. Kharibdyss with roar + fell gaze gives -3 to bravery in area. Dark Riders another -1. It can be nasty, just not vs OB Hydra with acid blood has has two good interactions (it guarantee heals and with acid blood, bounces few MW back in melee). So opponent kinda needs to go hard on her or you kinda get more out of both acid and heal. Sorceress on Dragon, use only with 40 Darkshards imo to use command ability. Otherwise Dreadlord better. Foot sorceress still good for -1 hit. Acidic Spray (save to - spell) can still be ok with pirates with xbows. Incantor is really good for 1 unbind and he's hard enough to eat some shooting (good Adjutant). -- This here is 1580 as core, 3 dragons, 2 hydras/kharbs and 3 battlelines (hydra/kharb is BL in Anvilgard). I really advise to have at least one unit of Shadow Warriors. Fleetmaster wont die with 20 strong routine, can use his CA on Kharb also. Corsairs with xbows are deceptively good damage also, resist some shooting. If you manage to get spray off they actually hurt things, can likely drop to 10 also without issue if you need extra 80 points. For maybe a Stardrake in middle of everything, hehe. But get some objective grabbers, archers,... Shadow Warriors are always awesome but there are also other options I guess. Niche thing you can do is bravery bombing, if CP gets important... -bravery will force some inspiring presences here. Well not on OB ofc... immune. Can drop 1 dragon as 3 seems bit overkill with monsters with also hydra+kharb in list, 1200 spent (2 dragons, 2 hydra/kharbs, 3bls, 2 extra heroes) and 800 left to play with... Anvilgard gives you 2 artifacts and 2 curses with Blackfang Crimelord.. With 3.0 edition you might want to drop one curse/artifact for d3 extra CP instead as that might be big. New Monster rules should be fun here as you would be able to use most of those all the time (Titanic Battle, Roar, Stomp,...). Allegiance: Cities of Sigmar- City: Anvilgard (Illicit Dealings: Black Market Bounty)Mortal Realm: AqshyDreadlord on Black Dragon (300)- Lance of Spite & Shield- Artefact: Drakescale Cloak Dreadlord on Black Dragon (300)- Lance of Spite & Shield- Artefact: Asphyxica Censer Dreadlord on Black Dragon (300)- Lance of Spite & ShieldBlack Ark Fleetmaster (60)- General- Command Trait: Blackfang Crimelord Knight-Incantor (120)- Lore of Dark Sorcerery: Vitriolic Spray- City Role: General's Adjutant 20 x Black Ark Corsairs (160)- Vicious Blade & Repeater Handbow- City Role: Honoured Retinue (Must be 5-20 models)Kharibdyss (170)- Drakeblood Curse: Fell GazeWar Hydra (170)- Drakeblood Curse: Acidic BloodTotal: 1580 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 96 EDIT: Hydras and Kharbys in Anvilgard do NOT count as Behemots towards the army limit! They are Battleline. Explained in FAQ (so theoretically, you could go 3 dragons and max hydras as you can fit.... or one Fleetmaster +11 hydras is also legit (1930 pt)) Nice, I'm definitely gonna slap some more Karibs and Hydras onto that and maybe some phoenix guard because I'm a power gaming timmy or whatever their name is. I haven't seen anything stating you can't play Anvilgard anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapca Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 15 hours ago, Popisdead said: Can you still use Anvilguard? Wasn't it all dragons? Yes. Anvilguard is still CoS army even if Morathi did her thing. It's in FAQ / Designers Commentary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of the Isle Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 ANVILGARD ENDURES ahem sorry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeblasky Posted July 27, 2021 Share Posted July 27, 2021 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/07/26/dragons-are-back-and-theyre-going-to-change-the-mortal-realms-forever/ I got some good news for you :3 We finally have some great Order dragon sculpts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neverchosen Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Coldone knights make for a good dragon themed mount. Essentially you can make a very fluffy list with Black Dragons, Corsairs, and Coldone Riders with a Hydra/Kharybdis to round it out. Just make sure to have the Corsair cloaks match the dragon/cold one colours schemes to better tie your infantry in with the rest of your force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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