spoon_fed05 Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 I’m thinking about getting a mourngul. They look pretty good from the warscroll and seeing them in matches online. Do they perform well in your experience for their points? Also, I see they are resin. I’ve had a bad experience with finecast resin models, none of them have been nice to clean up or paint and they seem more fragile than plastic somehow. Is the forgeworld resin different? Better for gluing, painting etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevar Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 minute ago, spoon_fed05 said: I’m thinking about getting a mourngul. They look pretty good from the warscroll and seeing them in matches online. Do they perform well in your experience for their points? Also, I see they are resin. I’ve had a bad experience with finecast resin models, none of them have been nice to clean up or paint and they seem more fragile than plastic somehow. Is the forgeworld resin different? Better for gluing, painting etc? Delay this purchase. The new Battletome is about to release for Nighthaunt and you will likely see new rules for the Mourngul. How worth the cost he will be is about to change. Also, Forgeworld resin is very random. Sometimes you get outstanding molds with good resin, and other times you get wildly miscast pieces covered in reams of their seperation oils. Better than fine cast, but also very all over the place in quality. On the plus side they have very good customer service. I once ordered a Vulture Gunship from them that had some minor defects and I asked them for a replacement part, they instead sent me an entire new Vulture. With some green stuff I ended up salvaging the first and got two vultures for the price of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Roderick Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 I was thinking of one in future as well, in guessing it'd have to be allied into legions of nagash as it's not in the battletome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themortalgod Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, Captain Roderick said: I was thinking of one in future as well, in guessing it'd have to be allied into legions of nagash as it's not in the battletome? Hard to say, they have said that all of nighthaunt will be available within legions without needing to be allied so Mourngul might as well, but until new rules hit your guess is as good as mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevar Posted June 26, 2018 Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 minute ago, themortalgod said: Hard to say, they have said that all of nighthaunt will be available within legions without needing to be allied so Mourngul might as well, but until new rules hit your guess is as good as mine. Not so, only the Nighthaunt in the Soul Wars box is added to Legions of Nagash. Everything else will be allied. If the Mourngul can be taken in LoN then it will likely only be so through Allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I'm expecting a big drop in point on the mourngul. I'll get one just because I love the mini to complete the NH army. And BTW, there is not that much monsters (behemoths) in the NH army, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevvermore Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 13 hours ago, Nevar said: Not so, only the Nighthaunt in the Soul Wars box is added to Legions of Nagash. Everything else will be allied. If the Mourngul can be taken in LoN then it will likely only be so through Allies. Have they said this explicitly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevar Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Nevvermore said: Have they said this explicitly? It was leaked in screen shots of the GHB2018 or from a page in the Soul Wars box, I forget which, but there is a picture of one of GW's official products listing the units from the Nighthaunt side of Soul Wars as being added to LoN. There is also the section listing allied from the GHB2018, and all four of the Legions of Nagash have "Nighthaunt and Flesh Eater Courts" lists as allied options. They have also said in their podcasts and such that Legions of Nagash will be able to use the models in the Soul Wars box. I suppose there is a very small chance of 'fake' leaks, but we also have the full points leak for Nighthaunt that included the three endless spells that turned out to be true so I think you can bet on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Roderick Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Curious phrasing but this is in the designers commentary for Legions of Nagash. Just no, you can't even ally it in apparently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 In Ao2 I thought that LoN has extended allies. What are they now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevar Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 2 hours ago, GeneralZero said: In Ao2 I thought that LoN has extended allies. What are they now? All the Legions of Nagash have: Flesh Eater Courts and Nighthaunt as their ally choices. Which is why the wording on the Mourngul is strange since it should be allowed if it is Nighthaunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 We need a clarification then. But I think that the rules are prettyt clear here: "ll the Legions of Nagash have: Flesh Eater Courts and Nighthaunt" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevar Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, GeneralZero said: We need a clarification then. But I think that the rules are prettyt clear here: "ll the Legions of Nagash have: Flesh Eater Courts and Nighthaunt" This sort of thing happened to me when I was playing Tau Empire back in the day. A lot of the Forgeworld Tau stuff said they "could be taken in a Tau Empire Army..." but when the Farsight Enclaves released that book said you could "take all units from the Tau Empire codex..." The problem was, that you have things referencing one location but not including clauses for each other. At first FW doubled down and Farsight Enclaves did not have access to the FW models, because the FW models were not 'added' to the Tau Empire Codex, they were like an 'expansion' for the TE: Codex. So when Enclaves referenced the TE: Codex that reference did not include the FW bits. Later they altered their rules to allow Enclaves to use them, but that was after a good while of specifically not allowing it. This is the exact same problem. The Mourngul can be taken by Nighthaunt, but it is not -actually- Nighthaunt Allegiance itself. It is just a generic "Death" model with the correct keywords. So when Legions of Nagash draws its allies, it can draw them from the FEC tome, or the Nighthaunt tome... and neither of them include the Mourngul. It is similar to how you can't use the old Death named characters from the legacy rules, even though those are officially allowed 'death' models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 That's not how allies work. They work based on keywords. The Mourngul has the nighthaunt keyword, so it can absolutely be taken as an ally choice by any faction that can take Nighthaunt allies. That now includes Legions of Nagash, but it didn't two weeks ago, and the FAQ answer just missed that update. That happens sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanHammer-darren Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 You won't see Mourngul in any GW battletome, since its forgeworld. you will have to wait for Forgeworld to update the rules, athough GW is updating the points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeGrunt Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 FW have already updated it. It was posted in another Mourngul thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted July 2, 2018 Share Posted July 2, 2018 I'm definitly buying a mourngul this summer: I love the mini, it is not so expensive (in the FW way) and it seems efficient for what we know now (already updated). I think with all the NH boost, it'll be an almost must have. And did I say it was healable and fast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arael_Greywings Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 9 hours ago, GeneralZero said: I'm definitly buying a mourngul this summer: I love the mini, it is not so expensive (in the FW way) and it seems efficient for what we know now (already updated). I think with all the NH boost, it'll be an almost must have. And did I say it was healable and fast? Especially with +1 to hit from . Or imagine the threesome of him, Neferata and a Lord Executioner on an enemy hero. Sweet -3 to hit.... Combine it with OD and you can bring a +2 to hit model down to hits on 6....^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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