PowerCreep Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I found an army painter Black Primer for a cheaper price then the GW one, so I was wondering do they have the same effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, PowerCreep said: I found an army painter Black Primer for a cheaper price then the GW one, so I was wondering do they have the same effect? The short answer is yes, but different people will have different opinions on the quality and value of different brands. Personally I use Halfords black primer because it gives excellent coverage and crisp detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 3, 2017 Author Share Posted September 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, Jamie the Jasper said: The short answer is yes, but different people will have different opinions on the quality and value of different brands. Personally I use Halfords black primer because it gives excellent coverage and crisp detail. I saw the army painter one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 GW black spray is excellent. The coverage is great and i've never had a problem with its finish. I use Wilkos on brand stuff for terrain as it is very cheap and the quality of the finish is not as important to me on the terrain but on models its always the GW stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 3, 2017 Author Share Posted September 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Ben said: GW black spray is excellent. The coverage is great and i've never had a problem with its finish. I use Wilkos on brand stuff for terrain as it is very cheap and the quality of the finish is not as important to me on the terrain but on models its always the GW stuff. Ok, but what about army painter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudonyme Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 Use white or at least grey undercoat. It is easier to darken than to highlight. And Army painter sprays are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 3, 2017 Author Share Posted September 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, pseudonyme said: Use white or at least grey undercoat. It is easier to darken than to highlight. And Army painter sprays are good. I am thinking on starting seraphon and the tutorials show i need a black one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudonyme Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 No, you don't "need" anything. But if you feel more comfortable using a black primer following a painting guide, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsharitt Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I use plain grey Krylon primer. I prefer a grey base to begin with and having used P3, Citadel, and Army Painter primers, I've not seen anything to convince me they're really worth it(the exception would probably be if I needed a horde army primed in a specific base color to save time). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuneBrush Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 GW spray paints are I believe the only miniature paint out there that are "self-etching", so it'll slightly melt the surface of plastic before it solidifies. This is why you get a really smooth result with a relatively thin layer*. Most other sprays simply "glue" themselves to the surface, it's certainly the case with brush on (and airbrush) primer/undercoats. Terrain wise, I tend to use Plastikote black matt. You can whack a fairly decent layer on and it's fairly rough so takes a drybrush well and a bit of texture to prevent models sliding all over the shop. Personally I'll never use anything but GW for regular plastic models. Although it's a little more expensive than other manufacturers, it's 99% reliable if you spray in the right conditions. *You can actually test this out by spraying something with a really fine detail and then rub the paint off before it dries - the fine detail will be soft and rub off, likely ruining the model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I exclusively use Army Painter sprays for my Seraphon and Deathrattle. Since I do lots of blue models (Skinks, Saurus) I even use the blue spray primer. That saves tons of work. For the rest of the Seraphon (the big dinosaurs and so on) I use either black (more forgiving) or white (gives better results for bright colors IMO, but also makes things a bit harder). Many people use grey, which is between the two. For my skeletons I use Skeleton Bone primer, which is awesome because all you have to do is shade them afterwards, no painting the bones, just the rest. I like it. About the qualitiy of the primer: I know people that stopped using GW primers because they were unhappy with the results and use something else, which may be Army Painter, Vallejo or car primer (no joke). I also know people that exclusively use GW primers. Among the best painters out there (winning contests and so on) you will find both as well. So yeah, try Army Painter and if you like it, keep it. Otherwise switch to something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burf Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I've used Duplicolor Sandable Black/Grey since I started this hobby. 7$ per can. Perfect coverage. I've used it in the rain before and had no issues. GWs sprays are crazy overpriced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pseudonyme Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 @Aginor Don't really want to start a black vs. white primer war, but it's the first time I hear someone stating that white priming makes things more difficult. Could you explain me what makes white priming difficult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, pseudonyme said: @Aginor Don't really want to start a black vs. white primer war, but it's the first time I hear someone stating that white priming makes things more difficult. Could you explain me what makes white priming difficult? Sure! If you use black primer and you ****** up a bit with your paint coats, you get dark "holes" where the coats are thin. those don't matter since normally they just fit with darker areas. The only real problem is that it is harder to get bright colors to look good. But in that case you just paint that area over with a thin coat of a bright color, that's it. In the areas you don't reach well during painting (such as the bottom, between the legs or something) you automatically have a dark area looking like a shadow. If you use white primer, those "holes" are bright white. Your shade will not manage to get those much darker so you have to fix all of those during basecoating. Your bright colors (especially yellow and bright greens) look better on that IMO, more radiant. That's not impossible to achieve with black primed models, but harder. But you still have the problem (just like with black) that for some colors - in this case it is the darker ones, which are probably the ones most people use more often - need several coats over the white to look good. You don't notice this effect much if you use thick colors (like unthinned or lightly thinned GW colors). If you use thin coats though, or paints that are less thick in general (Vallejo or Army Painter), when carefully working up your gradients or so, you will notice it and it can be tedious. You also have to carefully paint and shade all the darker areas on the underside of the miniature that would just be black using black primer. Those look unrealistically bright so you have to use more shade or darker colors on them. That's basically the thing. But as you said: People use both, and there are almost religious feelings about that for some of us. The advantages and disadvantages of both are known, but many people just don't have problems with some or others, and it also comes down to what you are being used to. So opinions differ, that's ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Aginor said: I exclusively use Army Painter sprays for my Seraphon and Deathrattle. Since I do lots of blue models (Skinks, Saurus) I even use the blue spray primer. That saves tons of work. For the rest of the Seraphon (the big dinosaurs and so on) I use either black (more forgiving) or white (gives better results for bright colors IMO, but also makes things a bit harder). Many people use grey, which is between the two. For my skeletons I use Skeleton Bone primer, which is awesome because all you have to do is shade them afterwards, no painting the bones, just the rest. I like it. About the qualitiy of the primer: I know people that stopped using GW primers because they were unhappy with the results and use something else, which may be Army Painter, Vallejo or car primer (no joke). I also know people that exclusively use GW primers. Among the best painters out there (winning contests and so on) you will find both as well. So yeah, try Army Painter and if you like it, keep it. Otherwise switch to something else. The problem is I cant swich. I am a teen and on a limited budget. So do the citadel and army painter give diffrent results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 57 minutes ago, Burf said: I've used Duplicolor Sandable Black/Grey since I started this hobby. 7$ per can. Perfect coverage. I've used it in the rain before and had no issues. GWs sprays are crazy overpriced. You dont understand my question. I wmat to know if army painter one is at the same qualoty as gw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burf Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 24 minutes ago, PowerCreep said: You dont understand my question. I wmat to know if army painter one is at the same qualoty as gw Which is answered perfecrly by 'an even cheaper type of spray than army painter's works great' sorry you couldn't handle extrapolating that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, PowerCreep said: You dont understand my question. I wmat to know if army painter one is at the same qualoty as gw I'd say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Taylor Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Burf said: Which is answered perfecrly by 'an even cheaper type of spray than army painter's works great' sorry you couldn't handle extrapolating that. +++ Mod Hat On +++ And you could have answered that in a friendlier way, especially towards somebody new. Please be more thoughtful in your posting in the future 18 hours ago, PowerCreep said: I found an army painter Black Primer for a cheaper price then the GW one, so I was wondering do they have the same effect? Pretty much but Army Painter Primers have a reputation for 'frosting up' models when being used (basically the finish is 'bitty' or lumpy). I think that's been fixed now but I've never been brave enough to try them. I'm a fan of the GW ones but if you are in the UK, I would try the Halford Primers as they are very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thegiantpeanut Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 halfords matt black does the trick for a good price, I have used GW and army painter before, not been able to tell much difference between the three. Been moving more to airbrush primer now as i don't have much outdoor space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Gaz Taylor said: +++ Mod Hat On +++ And you could have answered that in a friendlier way, especially towards somebody new. Please be more thoughtful in your posting in the future Pretty much but Army Painter Primers have a reputation for 'frosting up' models when being used (basically the finish is 'bitty' or lumpy). I think that's been fixed now but I've never been brave enough to try them. I'm a fan of the GW ones but if you are in the UK, I would try the Halford Primers as they are very good. Humidity related. I had that once and it sucks. Happens with GW as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Aginor said: Humidity related. I had that once and it sucks. Happens with GW as well. Did you ever compare your seraphon (one with Army painter,other with GW) Is there any diffrence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I sprayed all the mass models of my Seraphon blue so there was no GW alternative to test. On black models I saw no real difference between GW and Army Painter. I haven't tested the white GW primer. A friend of mine uses both black primers regularly and says Army Painter black primer dries faster and feels a bit different on the model. Somehow.... thinner but more solid. He prefers it. But his other models look just as good, so... I guess it really doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 45 minutes ago, Aginor said: I sprayed all the mass models of my Seraphon blue so there was no GW alternative to test. On black models I saw no real difference between GW and Army Painter. I haven't tested the white GW primer. A friend of mine uses both black primers regularly and says Army Painter black primer dries faster and feels a bit different on the model. Somehow.... thinner but more solid. He prefers it. But his other models look just as good, so... I guess it really doesn't matter. thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowerCreep Posted September 4, 2017 Author Share Posted September 4, 2017 45 minutes ago, Aginor said: I sprayed all the mass models of my Seraphon blue so there was no GW alternative to test. On black models I saw no real difference between GW and Army Painter. I haven't tested the white GW primer. A friend of mine uses both black primers regularly and says Army Painter black primer dries faster and feels a bit different on the model. Somehow.... thinner but more solid. He prefers it. But his other models look just as good, so... I guess it really doesn't matter. ALso (if you ahev the time) could you please measure the size of the caurnosaur (the length from tail to head) and the size of a warrior (from head to toe)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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