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Let's chat: The Farstriders

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2 hours ago, Skyeline said:

I'm probably going to start tinkering around with running a variant on Malakree's setup without the Katophrane Relics (which I had no end of trouble trying to get up and running effectively every game, but I consider that due to my lack of practice with the deck). If nothing else I'm definitely going to try fitting in Dauntless, Sigmar's Finest, and Army of One to experiment with. 

The big thing is that you aren't actually trying to USE the relics. They are there for the various reroll on your huge dice pools.

Occasionally you will get 4 up and start drowning your opponent under power cards. Very rarely you will hit 6 and instantly win the game.

Realistically though I have no problems discarding them with an opening hand. You only super care about 3 which gives you a ton of leeway.

I'm glad you liked it, I definitely enjoyed building it then seeing peoples faces when you drop it on them 😁

Currently playing around with a variation on the idea but need to see what comes in the leader pack. I think second in command is possibly the most underrated upgrade atm and it's only getting better.

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2 hours ago, Malakree said:

The big thing is that you aren't actually trying to USE the relics. They are there for the various reroll on your huge dice pools.

Admittedly I was actually just struggling with getting three relics up consistently. Again though, I'd chalk it up to a lack of practice with the deck.... and an embarrassing realization that I didn't understand how Masterstroke worked. Oops.

I actually want to give the deck one more weekend of play though since 6 of my 8 games with it were against agro stormcast. Getting to try it against a wider variety of warbands and decks would be nice.

Definitely enjoy it though! The deck raised eyebrows for the two opponents I played it against. In particular a Chosen Axes player wasn't expecting the 4 glory swing in turn 3 simply from Dauntless and Sigmar's finest when I was so outnumbered. Second In Command was only pivotal in one game for me, but I'm intrigued by it to say the least. I do expect that it's usefulness is going to shoot way up once that Leader Pack gets dropped on us. 

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 Katophranes seem pretty hard to justify after the cost increase. If you start slow and dont get a bunch of turn one glory you are going to be a bit starved and I definitely think damage boosting or defensive upgrades are more useful early on than katophranes especially if they are going to net you an early kill or prevent one of your guys from being one shotted. The relics are pretty average on their own in my opinion. 

 

I will definitely be giving those other cards a run in my list though. I love the synergy of Army of one, second in command and dauntless + sigmars finest. 

 

@Malakree Are you consistently scoring dauntless and sigmars finest? What matchups are you struggling to score this on? My meta seems to be running a lot of aggro such as skaven and magores so im thinking scoring these could be relatively easy. 

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1 hour ago, fishwaffle2232 said:

@Malakree Are you consistently scoring dauntless and sigmars finest? What matchups are you struggling to score this on? My meta seems to be running a lot of aggro such as skaven and magores so im thinking scoring these could be relatively easy. 

I have a really close matchup against what I would consider to be an almost fully refined Magores and I think if I stopped making a few mistakes with the deck (I average 1-3 a game) it would actually be very positive.

Skaven are the one deck I've struggled with/not managed to get locked down purely because I just haven't really faced them. The deck itself is a pretty demanding deck I feel and skaven just capitalises on your mistakes better than any other faction. Imo Skaven is probably the strongest warband atm when built/played correctly.

3 hours ago, Skyeline said:

In particular a Chosen Axes player wasn't expecting the 4 glory swing in turn 3 simply from Dauntless and Sigmar's finest when I was so outnumbered.

Aye, it's pretty funny. I've had a ton of people go "dafuq" then check the cards, then realise that yes I did just win from having my fighters die.

 

With regards to the Katophrane's, yes my current build has taken it out though I haven't had a chance to test the new variation yet. Specifically I spent about a month and a half building the deck THEN the katophrane's nerf hit as I finished tuning it. Removing the relics is a pretty huge change so I stuck with it, I don't think they are optimal anymore but they are oh so close and I don't really want to share to much of how I'm changing it so really the base build is where you guys are guna have to work from ;) I really don't want to go to a tourney to just have to face someone who has netdecked me with my own deck 🤣

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41 minutes ago, Malakree said:

 I really don't want to go to a tourney to just have to face someone who has netdecked me with my own deck 🤣

Well to be fair you'll never get a Californian showing up in your tournies waaay over there in the EU. So you know, just share all the secrets with me. Promise I won't tell anyone. 🤞

Joking aside, I absolutely get the intent behind being careful with your deck progress. GL with it! I'll be interested in hearing about whatever iteration you came up with after it wins you a solid spot in a tournament. ;)

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35 minutes ago, Skyeline said:

Well to be fair you'll never get a Californian showing up in your tournies waaay over there in the EU. So you know, just share all the secrets with me. Promise I won't tell anyone. 🤞

Joking aside, I absolutely get the intent behind being careful with your deck progress. GL with it! I'll be interested in hearing about whatever iteration you came up with after it wins you a solid spot in a tournament. ;)

I can dream eh :D not having a solid gaming group to play against hurts because I can only test at tournaments. Means that I have to use the smaller ones to test iterations which puts a cap on how fast I CAN iterate. 

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I have some games planned for tomorrow at my gaming club and Im thinking of testing out a few of your ideas in a different style of Deck.

Most of the guys I play against at the moment are running aggro decks, so I have kept that in mind when making my deck.

In theory Im hoping it will play out as mixed tempo. I have taken both supremecies and lots of movement shennanigans to try and get at least one off on turn 1 and to also help getting units inspired. 

Ive also included both sigmars finest and dauntless as a bit of a failsafe is ****** hits the fan or if I miss supremecy, in which case I play more aggressively to ensure try to get my opponent activates them. 

Ive got hero of one and second in command (may drop this) to try and at least keep one guy up and score destiny to meet and chosen champion. 

There are a few pretty easy to acheive instant scores and some really passive ones too. 

I think I will be going for a defensive setup in most situations. 

What Im not sure about is if i'm trying to do too much rather than having a single focus. Let me know what you think.  Also I dont yet have orruks or guard sets to pick cards from (got a few randoms).

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I'd feel a bit hesitant to run a deck which has 2 sets of objectives that run mostly counter to the rest (the moment you lose a fighter, both supremacies are dead draws, whereas your other cards still promote getting into some fighting).

My gut tells me that double supremacy should warrant a fully defensive playstyle with a warband that can't afford to lose any fighters to score them, but I could be wrong. I built a hyper defensive double supremacy deck at one point but never actually gave it a shot on the table. Hearing about how your mixed objective deck fairs will be interesting!

 

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I got the idea from ome of the guys on the claim the  city podcast who claims to be having success with 2 supremecies AND both tac supremecies. Has potential for very high scoring but like you said one death and both those objectives are done. 

It really does rely on having a supremecy in your hand turn one and spending that first turn to ensure you get it. If you do though a 6 point swing is hard to come back from. Especially if you go on to score some easy singles, sigmars finest and dauntless. 

 

**I've just swapped out second in command for deathly fortitude, so that my guy become much harder to one shot. 

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So got to test out the list. First couple of games were great. 

First game against reavers I drew both supremecies and alone in the darkness. Pushed him off and me onto my objectives with great concussion. Also score dauntless and sigmars finest later on for an easy victory. 

Second game against magores was similar but only with one supremecy in my starting hand. Scored both dauntless and sigmars finest again and won by about 5.

Played a multiplayer too, but didnt do well, magores just ran wild and scored pretty much all of their objectives.

In the games i played I didnt draw army of one once. So didnt get to test it unfortunately.

Overall the list was okay but my oponents decks were far from optimized. Too clunky for my liking for the reasons you already pointed out @Malakree.

I'm going to try running an aggro deck deck next. Not sold on second in command yet , I can see myself wanting another upgrade if i draw it at the wrong time which unless im drowning in glory, may be an issue. Also not sure about running both dauntless and sigmars finest, considering just running one. I have to see how often i am scoring them, might swap something else out like conquest. 

 

Having a lot of fun trying to work out farstriders though!

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14 minutes ago, fishwaffle2232 said:

I'm going to try running an aggro deck deck next. Not sold on second in command yet , I can see myself wanting another upgrade if i draw it at the wrong time which unless im drowning in glory, may be an issue. Also not sure about running both dauntless and sigmars finest, considering just running one. I have to see how often i am scoring them, might swap something else out like conquest. 

Specifically Second in Command is there to score victorious duel if farstrider dies and to ****** over people trying to do the same. It's definitely a choice my argument is that it's not garbage like most seem to assume, and I did as well at first.

Realistically there is quite a bit of wiggle room in all of the decks components and I suspect it will come down to how you individually play. Personally I was attempting to minimise the amount of 3rd end phase cards since I'm trying to score superior tactician and trying to maximise my scoring potential when I'm losing as the game at the moment is very much who gets ahead first in aggro mirrors.

My original post was made after looking at the thread and seeing people primarily ruminating on just how defensive farstriders should be. It was to give people an inspiration for a far more aggressive style of play which isn't scoring supremacy turn 1. I actually toyed with making a statement but found my playstyle just doesn't score it.

Will be interesting to see where people take it and I'm waiting eagerly for the new leader objectives. There's 2 slots in the objective deck that I have seriously struggled to fill.

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