Malakithe

Those new contrast paints might make squig and grot painting much faster

I have this idea of Troggs/Squigs for a 2k list but the points costs for certain units is just so bad

Squigs with magic support is what ive been aiming for from the start. Just hard to nail down something I like

I would love a horde discount for squigs. Effective or not I would load up on them lol I would also love to see Troggoths come down a bit and battalion costs come down. More models = better perfomance right? *cough*sales*cough* The issue with changing warscrolls is mostly physical. People would be pissed if only some months later their hard copy books were obsolete and needed sticky notes or printed note pages tossed in. I know I would be. I have the app of course on my phone but that sometimes take a bit to update as well. Ebooks arent an answer for those of us who choose to be smart and not buy overpriced aluminum scrapmetal apple products.

Thats true...I guess when I hear stuff like under performing my more video game nature kicks in. In a mmo type setting if a class or ability is under what it was designed to do then numbers would be tweaked but doing the same on table top is tricky. Looking back though how many factions have had actual warscrolls changed to help performance? Not including full releases or re-release. Performance usually equates to points adjustments. Lower the points = more models on the table = better performance(usually). I would like to see most of the Troggs come down a bit and maybe certain heroes/monsters. Most of the bread and butter units are probably okay points wise.

Interesting...makes me wonder how they could increase their performance. Not like they will do sweeping warscroll changes. Points adjustments for sure but what else could really be done?

Im of the opinion that more the. One unit of HB will be a bad idea. A unit of 20 might be the sweet spot leaving points for more support and bodies

I wouldnt worry about the Fyreslayers Invocations. The only useful one will be the Great Firewall. Fyreslayers lists wont have spare points for the other 2 lol

At 600pts per 30 your not spamming them lol

I dont see HB points changing. Its 120 per 5 with no max discount. Same cost if not higher then most other elite infantry. Tzaangors, Evocators, Blight Kings, Brutes...plus those spear squigs are 100pts per 5. If anything Vulkites points will come down in the next GHB once they see all tournament lists with no Vulkites.

Yeah thats fair. 140 would be ideal

Not if they are 180pts per 5 lol

Yeah im thinking the same thing. Vulkies will always be present but hopefully there will be more options

I hope for sweeping changes across the board. Ive been saying for a while that almost every warscroll and battalion needs a full rework. I want to see the rune/hair save be an allegiance ability. Lore to tabletop is very inconsistent here as some units get the ++ save while others dont. I think the faction as a whole needs a 5++ but then each warscroll could have an ability or not that modifies it. Example being Vulkites would get +1 to their save for over 20+ or whatever. Same with HB. If they are near a hero theirs would gain +1. All the heroes need an additional save as well since they are probably the weakest/squishiest heroes in the game currently. Im hoping for 'prayers' that sort of enhance the runes as well. I really want more units like everyone else otherwise no matter how many changes and battalions or abilities the faction will still be 2x30 Vulkites, fill every hero slot, then whatever. I really want to see some cannons etched with ur-gold runes!

Each lodge is essentially made up of thousands of Vulkites. They pretty much do everything. The Hearthguard are basically body guard untils for dad and sons. The way the game is now you kinda need those models to complete with other horde armies

If there isnt new units then spamming is inevitable no matter what. Its a full faction with only 3 infantry units and one monster. Depending on battleline options, points, battalions Vulkites are the backbone. Im fine with Vulkite swarming. What im not okay with is Vulkites being better at everything then the only 2 other options. Im not a fan of the idea of mini droths. I think it would look goofy but any more variety ill take at this point.

YESSSSSS....updated warscrolls, battalions, allegiance, endless 'prayers' or whatever they are called, and a big angry living magma beast. Id still like to see fyresteel forged cannons or something but super excited for all this

Skullreapers...what I dont understand is how someone with large spikey, choppy, serrated weapons like that dont have any rend...

Its too bad Blood Warriors are trash. They are my fav models of the line. They cost more the Stormvermin, Tzaangors, and Vulkites

Thats okay man...fire + squigs = fungal bacon..which im sure the Troggoths enjoy. Good luck blowing up all those Rockguts and Dankholds lol

The Weirdfist is just bad in every aspect. It should be something like the LoN one but its too old now. It relies on arguably the worst overpriced caster in the game and once he gets sniped t1 thats gg for your entire list and strategy.

Yes...this is what I like to hear....mmm squigs... What was his full list?

These are the things im talking about when it comes to Grims. When a basic battleline like Witches can shred through literally anything they touch. There are fundamental issues that need to be addressed somewhere.

Yeah 6 monsters in a list might get out of control lol Fluff wise though ghosts and skellis are all the same. Enslaved to the will of Nagash and his lieutenants. Vamps and Necros raise and control minions to do what they want. Whether those minions are paper thin bed sheets with rusted weapons are walking bones doesnt matter. I like that LoN can include NH stuff but at the same time the NH on paper is so much better and more reliable in a LoN list then actual LoN stuff. I feel not many understand that certain units have certain roles. I love having Morghast in a GHoN list for cracking armor but they are so awkward to include in lists. Its so much easier to spam 2 or 3 units of 30ish Grims to do literally ever role. I would rather include Grave Guard but why would I? They are literally a worse version of Grims or Blades

Yeah thats what im thinking. Im trying to come up with something