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Already (as they are so awesome looking) I'm leaning this way. Probably 20 blade guard instead of all the spears. Thank you for the tips! BTW isn't it 1900 that I have, and therefore have issues with that battalion (which sounds like a good option), or am I missing something? Allegiance: Ossiarch Bonereapers - Legion: Petrifex Elite Arkhan the Black, Mortarch of Sacrament (360) Liege-Kavalos (200) - General - Trait: Mighty Archaeossian - Artefact: Helm of the Ordained Mortisan Soulmason (140) - Artefact: Godbone Armour - Lore of Mortisans: Empower Nadirite Weapons 40 x Mortek Guard (440) - Nadirite spear and Shield - 4x Soulcleaver Greatblades 5 x Kavalos Deathriders (180) - Nadirite Spear and Shield 5 x Kavalos Deathriders (180) - Nadirite Spear and Shield Mortek Crawler (200) Mortek Crawler (200)

So I ordered a bunch of stuff as a core of a new Ossiarch army and am starting to build and paint. I have: 2 x Crawler kits 2 x Mortek Guard kits (I built all spears - rule of cool - and now hear swords win out until you get like 10 extra spear attacks in) 1 x Arkan kit 2 x Deathhorsies kits 1 x Soulmason kit 1 x Liege Kavalos kit Scenery kit Whats the best way forward with what I have? What should I take as 2k to test if I want to expand on this army further? Where would I go if I get a proper Ossiarch bug (right now it's kind of a hobby/tourney crossover project).

Don't need new models, rules boosts boost existing model sales.

I feel like Id be happy to have either rr 1s without a min model count or rr all saves with min 10. Like I don't prefer either because of how I take libs now (3 *5). However, warriors don't need shields for the reroll. They get the 5++ mw save with shields. So being able to take 2 hand weapons and get a save rr is quite strong in terms of variety. They also get 1 extra bravery and bonuses for being marked, a banner bearer and musician for bravery and run and charge bonuses, and +1 to hit or +1 ranged (or rend 1) with weapon choices. So all in all, I'm not upset or annoyed about libs but they could sure use a spicing up. I'd venture that if you give them bravery 7 and then flat 3+ 3+ hit and wound that's enough. Then I'd work in a difference between hammer and swords. Maybe +1 rend v 6s are two wounds (like mortek guard). Warriors would still be better (minus deepstrike) but itd feel more like flavours of base elite warrior rather than a clearly inferior liberator scroll. One side effect which would be thematic is that we might see sc lists like the ossiarch lists - composed of mostly battleline. And any lib containing battalions would be boosted.

There's something to be said for 3 rain of stars however the guaranteed mws from comet and prime comet are always adorable

Thanks for more feedback. I think being more aggressive is definitely something to try out for sure.

Your points about controlling the board are correct. It's the lists big weakness. There are lists like that out there though. Like the petrifex nagash + 40/20/10 mortek

I mean im a bit confused by some of his post there but in essence I think this is exactly what my list does, regardless of range, cover, look out sir, hit modifiers, buffs (well most) if you give me r1 you will lose all non behemoth support heroes. That's the definition of threaten! My main issue is when I'm out dropped. I've to figure out the right mind game deployment to make them give me 1st turn or make them take t1 but have no impact.

Thanks for that! I'll double check it. /Edit/ Can confirm: Page 81 – Artefacts of Power, Relics of Chamon, Hydroxskin Cloak Change the rules text to: ‘The bearer can fly. After the bearer has made a normal move, you can pick 1 unit that has any models that the bearer has passed across and roll a dice. On a 3+ that unit suffers D3 mortal wounds.’ & Page 84 – Artefacts of Power, Relics of Ulgu, Talisman of the Watcher Change the last sentence to: ‘You can re-roll save rolls of 1 for that unit until the end of that phase.’

Thanks for feedback. I've tried skinks with a list like this and I think I need to get better with their idiosyncrasies. I like them and am really honing in on them or tree revenants. Don't 100% agree with a few points : I think the incantor is a fantastic warscroll. Not just for the dispel. They can hold their own against small units the enemy takes to clear objectives. I love flasks too. Sc have some decent spells in their lore. I wouldn't necessarily take another endless spell. Im not against taking Geminids though! Prime is great for guaranteed clutch 3 mw in shooting phase. It is an expensive model and unforgiving. If I can gather enough alternative sources of mw (say max 9 average 3) then it might be better long term. So long as those options give other utility too (not like day a vexillor). Nearest is probably the Heraldor but the 3 mws then rely on terrain, the skill of your opponent and its d3. In my experience being able to choose to do 3 mw is huge. I don't rate Judicators when compared to other ranged options out there. They are better than libs for objective holding AND contribution via a few shots here and there. It's just a points question. Stardrakes without shardfist pelt are still good. It's mainly that no dragon choice is worth 460 - 560 pts. I still want to take them because we have no purely points efficient list to take. No mortek guard here. Anvilstrike with hurricane raptors MIGHT be the nearest thing but I'm going to keep in with starcast a while longer. I feel I've a lot to learn with the list still and would honestly just like to try it against the factions it hasn't met yet. No point in running a list for a few games or one tournament, losing and thinking "I need something that goes 4 for 1 or 5 for 0". I don't think there's a list in sc that does that by itself. A player just had to stick it out with one of our best choices. I think starcast might be one of them but to know that I'd have to run it until I play 5 decent match ups against decent opponents, make no glaring mistakes and still not go 4 for 1. That's until we get more detailed international stats with list "types" factored in. SC have a, what 43% win rate using honest wargamers stats. I've a 75% win rate at tournaments (of various sizes). The lists and experiences of each player contributing there is unknown so those two percentages may as well be 101% versus AB%. Sorry for waffling

No in that case refer to Double Misfire's post above - it's a restriction per list and not per battlefield.

There is yes. GHB 2019 p 54. You can only use and re-use one model per spell on your list during the battle. You cannot take one twice in a list to circumvent that restriction.

Hallowheart doesn't like my list Re: Hydroxskin, it's the same wording as stormwing - when the model moves Agree on Talisman. Could be better in a shootcast list tbh... We do so lack cheap battalions to get an extra artefact when we take a stormhost.

1) Incantors guaranteed unbinds are something I missed a lot. I need to free up 20 pts to take even 1 (swapping exorcist). And there are literally (skipping battleline) only things that augment the list's purpose left - rain of stars, rain of stars, comet, Prime (comet and orrery). I like that Hallowheart is similar to a Starcast type list. I am not sure I want to play Hallowheart. I think you're on the money saying it's investing in magic quite heavily and I don't think that's what we should do. I'd be buying a new army & I could just get Changehost or Nagash in a suitable magic heavy death build. More importantly rumours indicate Tzeentch getting an impending rework early next year. Working on a magic army when the king of magic is on the way feels foolish. I also played Hallowheart twice and we have a list here that Hallowheart does not want to meet. They need to take r1 if we deploy to indicate we're going to open up on them r1. We can split deployment on the board (no need to bunker) to avoid their portal spam or leave targets in the celestial realm (meaning they'd be wasting r1. We can then come down and scorch in the shooting phase with comets on their casting bunker. The main problem we face is deploying incorrectly (and they take first turn) and leaving a caster on the board to start with in case they give us t1. Risk missing 1 turn of comet. 2) I think I'm leaning away from it. It seemed like the neatest, cheapest way to get another artefact but you end up warping the purpose of the list too much. 3) I'm not sure what you mean, Stormwing is pick one unit roll 2+ do d3 mortal wounds (move, charge, pile in) and hydroxskin is pick one unit roll 3+ do d3 mortal wounds (move, charge, pile in). I thought it might be an ace boost to melee drake. It's potentially 4 d3 mortal wounds before activation 2 d3 upon every activation (pile in). Could even retreat bomb. Although, yes, it's another "gimick" I still feel like I didn't get a lot of use out of ethereal really, that drake still died faster than LCoSD with rr1*. Also if I have something that can actually do some guaranteed damage I might be able to drop the prime (whom I love but he is so unforgiving!) freeing up all sorts of alternate builds. *Incidentally I also like the idea of Talisman of the Watcher with a fast support hero to give the Templar rr 1s. That artefact looks like it has been overlooked by many. I like it.

I'm thinking of testing 3 things : Dropping prime and exorcist and taking 3 incantors Taking no prime and only 1 dragon but then also Grand convocation A minor, fun idea : my list unchanged but the templar has hydroxskin cloak combod with Stormwing Any thoughts?

I'd prefer more durability and more reliable spells than any rend or melee damage bonuses tbh. Feels more in character and is a less crowded spot (I think?). That is if there's a choice to be made there. I don't think OBR are durable and pump out great melee damage with spells. However they can BUILD to swap the melee and spell damage (mostly thanks to adding in Arkhan or Nagash) and keep their durability. Not got a lot of experience with Nurgle and am looking at OBR and thinking "hey these petrifex mortek really put pbs to shame survival wise (not counting the damage buffs)"

I'm thinking relictor or even trying to stretch a caster with a spell that heals. If I end up with enough casters I wonder can I create a kind of starfall hallowheart

It was pretty competitive so everyone at mid tables and up had some flavour of ****** in their lists Ofc some flavours were stronger or a more acquired taste Stormwing didn't have a huge impact as I'm still learning how to run two drakes at once. It's like when your 2nd child arrives. The tricks that work when you've just one need adapted

The arkanauts are quite a good shout. Guess I've to buy and paint a range of order units under 160

I am open to all suggestions for screening units! What I would like is for the unit to have utility beyond screening for when I don't need to screen so much. I kinda like the revenants teleport. Shadow warriors also look like a good choice but if I need to screen then they don't ambush and aren't a late game objective threat like revenants. Skinks are also a classic option.

Some post tournament thoughts: I need a few extra screening bodies Preferably units ready to deepstrike for objectives battle round 3 - 5. The best way to play Starcast is very aggressive r1 or very standoffish (reach is no issue for you). The Celestant Prime dies very quickly Most of this is just down to me. I've got good with the Prime but still, the scroll is so unforgiving. In that way, 2 dragons and a prime play well as a trio. Without a cold head or luck, spread wounds won't do the trick and comets will keep falling. This model is both very over-costed and a bargain. I dunno. The more you play the Prime the more you get out of it. Should still be buffed (survivability wise). The Drakesworn Templar underperformed Part of this is just down to me I feel. 2 x Rain of Stars is beautiful but it is very much a lottery. The LCoSD compensates by going in and reflecting mortal wounds against hordes (and even adding the extra melee finisher on, say, a Hallowheart Hurricanum that will take maybe 3-4 mw per shooting phase but then searing wounds them away). The Templar's lack of a rr1 save and having only 1 warding lantern/Azyrite Halo cast means you're paying a lot for rain of stars only. No Dracoths, no tasty +1 hit either. It DOES play on people's minds though. Like a distraction carnifex. Liberators do nothing Our "pure" battleline options are no Mortek guard, they are not a viable screen (I've to measure complex angles and arcane shapes that best restrict 9" to board edge ambushes) and while you can deepstrike them as a roadblock you're throwing away the dudes that will be taking and holding objectives (until 6 models get in 6" range...) I want a SC allegiance chaff unit! GKoTGs are of particular concern Yes, the only list I met I felt was a real "counter" was a juicy FeC list where I had to play so cautious so as not to be eaten by whatever attack boosted bite count the opponent managed to get (7 bites at one point, or 8 maybe). The long range mw chip damage is negated by the support hero d3 healing here. Nurgle would also be a counter of sorts but has no punch unless it's monks with blades and the LCoSD laughs at monks without blades (which brings me to my next point)... The Lord-Exorcist doesn't cut it Knight-Incantors are worth so much more than 20 pts more. Auto-unbind is the business (unbind hallowheart ranged bridge or spellportal, unbind the run and charge on Gotrek, unbind sear wounds if you like). More than one is ace. And finally... Run away from Gotrek I'll be giving a thought to some changes now but quick thoughts taken into account directly results in: Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals Mortal Realm: Aqshy Celestant-Prime (340) Lord-Celestant on Stardrake (560) - General - Celestine Hammer - Artefact: Ignax's Scales - Mount Trait: Storm-winged Lord-Castellant (120) Knight-Incantor (140) - Spell: Azyrite Halo Knight-Incantor (140) - Spell: Chain Lightning Knight-Incantor (140) - Spell: Speed of Lightning 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield 10 x Tree-Revenants (160) Everblaze Comet (100) Total: 2000 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 0 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 85 Worth a try?

Starcast in 3.0 (post Battletome) With the rumours we are seeing coming out the premise of Starcast is much changed. Right now I'm leaning towards Drakecast as carrying the concept of Starcast forward. In any case it's best as a new thread. Thanks guys! // Archival documents As yet untested the current meta has removed a few of our toys. Personally keen on testing a starcast variant with Gotrek: Making the most of the hard counter to a few of the gods in the current godhammer meta (until he gets nerfed or moved to legends). Excited for the release of the 2 new Draconith models and the future tome! Thread is 'parked' in terms of list development, but latest posts might include gems from the community. Historical Starcast Lists (valid as of AoS 2.75: Winter 2019 Updates) Traditional Starcast (with 10 Skinks) My tip for beginning to dabble in Starcast lists Kroakcast My own tip for cutting edge Starcast right now Grand Convocation Starcast I really like this but it's an acquired taste (and is pre-Kroak, I feel Kroakcast is a better option now) Starcast with 6 Desolators & Prime Starcast with 6 Desolators & Kroak Starkitties Starcast with Ballistae Finally ... The list that started them all This list lacks comet and double drake, but includes extra dracothian guard. It's not starcast but was the stepping stone to this point More to come from community... NB/Original Preamble/Thread starter on next page I just came home from playing at "Europe's Biggest Tournament (when you take Brexit into account)" a.k.a. Krigsluntan 2019. I took Stormcast and a variation of it I've been playing a lot (last 3 or 4 tournaments) which I've tried different names for and I guess "Starcast" fits well enough. There were over 90 players at the tournament which was AWESOME and The Honest Wargamer himself was there (amazing person) covering it. I got to play on stream (more on that later). I finished in 42nd place with 3 wins and 2 losses. You can see the ladder (results, lists, etc) here. I wasn't the top SC player (secondary objectives taken into account) and that's expected as I wasn't the best SC player there! What was interesting was that better players took Anvilstrike and finished 3 for 2 as well. Given SC's meta win rate, each of us put in a great performance (the % doesn't account for lists though) and I just felt this topic could help thrash out those who want to either create their own "Starcast" list, refine one of the many I've posted or whatever. In essence, these lists are "ranged, mortal wound heavy, low model count" lists. There seems to be an emerging evolution to lists born partly from "the activation wars" and partly from the kinds of lists CoS are able to cook up (lots of variety emerging). There is a tilt towards ranged which I guess will be built on in the new year with the rumoured Tzeentch / Kharardon releases. Will a list in the Starcast mould still be good then? I dont know. I didn't meet Tzeentch and I'm glad for that at least (they were all Changehosts and they all did well I believe). Here is the list I took: My own vision of what ranged mw stormcast should be has changed after this tournament but overall I felt the list worked well. I got only 1 matchup against a list that I'd thought I would be happy to meet previously. The other 4 were against lists I didn't want to meet. One in particular was in effect the counter to what my own list brings. I had good luck, I had bad, but now I want to stop typing about my list at that big Swe tourney and I want to start pasting in weird Starcast lists here (even if I end up talking to myself)!

Match 1 today was hallowheart with hurricanum and 50 sisters of the watch. Tough. Only a minor win. Blood and glory is a bad scenario for my list I think in terms of getting that major Annnd match 5 was the nastiest flesh-eater courts list with two Kings on terrorgheists. Major Loss there on total conquest. 3-0-2 in the the end so I'm happy with that! Think the list needs a tweak. I'll see if I keep a similar theme when I play stormcast next.

He took first turn. Hallowheart with gotrek hurricanum and 30 greatswords. Played match 3 against the best of the players who took deepkin and gotrek (he beat a very good player with anvilstrike the previous round). Was on the wargamer stream too! One of the worst match ups I could get probably. I played wrong here and there. So a big ol loss /edit - watching the replay back on honest wargamer, I do not know why I moved the LCoSD and Prime forward to threaten mid objectives at all. Should have cleaned up some eels in my territory. I think I was worried for the double (I won initiative r2 anyway). We'll call it "first time streaming table jitters" lol Hope for a win tomorrow and I will have reached my 3 win goal.

Met hallowheart and khorne and won so 1 more win and I've met my goal which will be nice! Ofc I could just lose 3 now