The Red King

So due to medical expenses I am going to be selling my quite lovingly crafted cities army and since the list of models and conversions is pretty specific to the living city I thought I would let yall know here. If I recall the rules disallow posting links to sales so if anyone is interested just IM me and I'll get you the link once I post it. The list is: Sylvaneth Alarielle [with skull mask] Durthu [with deer skull mask] Kurnoth hunters ×3 [with beast skulls from the skulls kit] Tree revenant ×10 Stormcast Fulminators ×6 [2 have been converted into mini forest dragons with wild rider helms] Cities Nomad prince Sorceress/battle mage ×2 [one converted from a witch aelf and the other the silver tower mistweaver] Runelord [with dryad mask and sylvaneth hand weapon] Dreadlord on black dragon [not for sale due to a wonderful donation by @Neil Arthur Hotep] Dreadspears×10 [skull/root heads] Eternal guard×20 [with dryad face masks] War hydra Sisters of the thorn ×10 Sisters of the watch ×30 Wild riders [on fenrisian wolf mounts] ×10 Wildwood rangers ×20 Gladeguard ×16 Finecast Orion Please feel free to remove if this post isnt okay.

If sons can still kick an objective an inch out of their territory and score double points for it all game I don't think this is gonna bring them down. Not like nighthaunt are gonna table them so it's a 2-4 vp difference now?

Since the quality of their digital offerings is related to the state of the game. Am I the only one who's app is crashing everytime they enter the list builder after the update?

Nope. I like to imagine one of the bloodthirster is secretly a nerd and hides his book in a bunch of skulls so his jock buddies don't beat him up.

Hmmm I got some cheap secondhand dragon ogors that were made with old metal bloodletter bodies but I'm starting to think they don't have the real dragon ogor bodies either because those look so much bigger than mine... maybe I'll proxy them as centigor.

I'm still suck on the idea that 10 bodies is more coverage than 3 and keep forgetting that coherency means 32's just dont have the same area as they used to. That said they are still better for 1. Bodies on objectives (a 4+ save in combat lasts longer than expected in my experience) and 2. Preventing things from charging around them. Dogors cover plenty of area with the basic "cant move within 3" rule but they dont stop people from charging them + another unit the same way gors do.

So I'm trying to decide if it's better to have 6 dogors or 20 gors plus 5 centigor. The list is: Shaggoth DP of khorne Bray shaman ×2 10 gors 5 centigor Cockatrice ×2 Ghorgon ×2 6 bullgor 6 bullgor Either 3 dragon ogors ×2 or 10 gors ×2 5 centigor Option 1 represents more damage and individual staying power as I can buff dogors to a 3+ save and plop them on an objective (protecting my warherd by splitting enemy focus) Option 2 represents more board presence, chaff, and screens (protecting my warherd by blocking the enemy) With the Khorne DP option 2 seems the better one to control the movement phase and ensure my bulls don't end up in fights they don't want but at the same time option 1 gives me more room to maneuver on the table ensuring they do get into fights they do want. In other words chaff and screens can get in my own way too but maybe not so much with the raw speed from the bray shaman buffs? I think the answer is option 1 vs ranged armies and option 2 versus melee but that's tailoring I couldn't (and wouldn't) do so what seems best for general play?

I think blame was perhaps too laden a word but I just meant ultimately that I feel the "need" for creativity is less a factor than the "availability of means". I agree that scarcity is the mother of innovation, but people still write books even though they can find almost every story ever written. We as a species would be innovative even if there was zero need but not if there was zero means to do so.

I'd say they grew up not being ALLOWED to innovate. Innovation requires trial and by extension error. Few people can afford error with the rising cost of living and stagnant wages, and the people who HAVE money (companies) don't invest in innovation. Look at the way Hollywood churns out remakes and creatively anemic films that follow prescribed patterns, and why? Because it sells and that's all that matters. I don't fault companies for attempting to make a profit, it's their purpose, but I don't excuse them for their methods either. It veers off into anti/pro capitalist political discussion if I go any further on that train of thought but I personally blame the people with the power (money) before I blame the individuals (generation) who USUALLY have only as much artistic freedom as is profitable for the people above them.

I use a 3d printed basilisk myself. I figure they both have petrifying gazes and basilisk aren't represented elsewhere in the game so...

Cost of living has always gone up but at least in the US wages arent keeping up and the reactions can only be wrong so many times. There is a ceiling on how high the prices can go before they DO impact sales and the game and I would argue that we can't possibly know how many people currently never got into the hobby becaus of the cost of entry. Just because they're doing well doesn't mean they can just keep trying to get more and more out of us. This ultimately becomes a matter of economic stances and I personally think the western "profit margins MUST increase EVERY time FOREVER!" Mentality to be a complete corporate fairy tale, (a fact many economists would agree with and many more would disagree with so this isn't really the place to hash that out in detail). Reality has to set in at some point and exponential profit growth is simply not sustainable forever. Defending their practice of squeezing us to fund their quest for the fountain of youth is simply not something I can get behind.

... we already knew that I thought?

I'm in the hospital right now having my first ever surgery today and I'm not above trying to leverage my suffering to get whitefang to put my mind at ease by telling me beasts arent getting squatted lol.

I want to start by saying this a great move and I'm very happy to see it. I'd then like to add "hey destruction? Sucks to suck losers!" (Clarification that's not my stance, just feels like what GW is saying)

Well he heart reacted my post about D&D covers so clearly he's telling us that GW is going to acquire WotC and make all D&D releases space marine related!

I buy every LE cover D&D book because they have a really nice alternate art cover AND they're the same price as the regular ones, so I don't even want to try to justify GW's LE tomes, but I couldn't if I did.

As someone who wants a cool looking unit of Vanquishers in my cities army I'm certainly not disagreeing with you there.

Discarding every bad warscroll from the book still leaves you with more viable units than some armies have available in the first place so I do find it hard to muster my sympathy...

For me it was binge watching Vince Venturella on YouTube. I rarely have the same paints he uses but it's more the general painting knowledge you acquire. He doesn't have a video titled "believe in your process and don't be so hard on yourself, just keep painting and keep doing your best and that's what's important" but that's really what you pick up over the many many videos I watched and it helped me a lot to just relax when I'm painting and stop stressing if I over paint a single line on a belt or something.

If you heard it from me constantly prattling on don't take it as fact lol. I'm in a very low competitive setting where I've done quite well with a blades of khorne list full of warherd. With the FAQ changes I've actually mixed it up a little and will be playing my first game with 12 bulls tonight hopefully.

Taurok Gorefeast is a doombull (or sometimes demon prince) dedicated to khorne. After slaying a demon prince of khorne on the field of battle and devouring his heart, Taurok found his dreams filled with visions of the blood god, of iron discipline and endless bloodshed. So Taurok began doing something his tribe had never seen, he trained. He didn't just pick up his weapon and hack at his enemies but instead he could be found practicing different forms that were seared into his simple mind by the remnants of the Prince's soul. He accepted others, mostly more bullgor, to his training and those that brayed with laughter at their precise movements made excellent demonstrations of the lethality of this new method of slaughter. Over time he found himself the unintended leader of a small cult to the great brass beast Khorne. The beastlord of the tribe, Ungal blackhorn, goaded by the insidious whispers of the bray shamans who had a distinct interest in curbing the influence of Khorne amongst the herd, goaded Taurok into challenging him, just as Blackhorn intended. He called Taurok unworthy to face him due to his weakness evidenced by his civilized training and obedience to one of the four, and demanded he prove himself in the blood pits, facing down numerous foes to show his ways were worthy of dueling Ungal himself. His satisfaction with the scheme faded quickly however as he watched Taurok cut down scores of his best gors, hacking away until his axe splintered and he was seemingly overwhelmed in a mass of blackhorn's most relentless followers. Even as Taurok struggled to hold them at bay, their blades finding purchase in his thick hide between the plates of metal he had crudely fashioned as armor he refused to call out for aid from his dark god. Instead resolved to let his blood in glorious battle he cried out "Blood for the Blood Beast!" And let them pour over him, "Skulls for his throne!". Though his brothers think little of the beasts, seeing them as mere fodder, Khorne cares not from where the blood flows and between the fire in Taurok and the spark of the Blood God's own princes soul still lodged in his heart, Khorne turned his eyes to the battle and he was pleased. He blessed his newest champion, the blood of the slain searing his armor plates to serrated spike covered brass, filling his muscles with rage fueled strength with which Taurok impaled the skulls of his many foes upon the freshly freshly formed spikes. Not even the most foolhardy or desperate for dared approach Taurok as he set into the slain feasting on their hearts with blind tearing rage. He only looked up when Ungal declared he had proved himself and that Blackhorn would give him one night to rest so that none would doubt who was the stronger when Ungal slew him in the ring. Ungal secretly needed time to devise some way to escape the battle for he knew he stood no chance against the blood blessed bull. His advisors spoke all at once, sibiliant, sussurating, or rasping; assassination, deceit, poison. With the guidance of the shamans Ungal determined to slay Taurok in his sleep. He tasked his own son Mazarak with performing the deed, unknowing that the herd hears all the gods, not just those his seers exalted. Mazarak stole into Taurok's tent in the night with poisoned blade and stood poised to strike it into his heart, but before he could he was assailed with visions of what could be. Cloven ones clad in solid steel, moving with direction as they encircled the enemy before crashing into them with a coordination Mazarak had never seen in his kin. Under and over it alll however they were still the children of chaos, directed but not tamed, they laid into their foes with furious abandon tearing great chunks of meat from their dying prey, devouring their hearts before their eyes unde the approving gaze of a great brass bull. Mazarak came too with a slump that alerted Taurok who lunged for the Bestigor, lifting him by his throat and preparing to squeeze the life from him. He glanced down at the blade slick with vile poison and snorted with derision. "Weakling" he spat at the gor flailing in his grasp. As Mazarak felt his life ebbing he locked eyes with the bullgor and even as one eye clouded red with his own blood he managed to strangle out a defiant "Blood... for the.... blood god!" Taurok let the Gor slump to the floor of the tent and reached for his axe. Raising it menacingly he looked down at Mazarak who was recovering his breath, though his eye was a lost cause. "Speak or die." Taurok said and Mazarak spoke. "Ungal weak, Ungal forget ways of the herd. He send me to slay you as you sleep, like coward. I will not follow Blackhorn, I follow the Brazen Bull." With that he lowered his horns in deference to the great Doombull and Taurok knew what he must do. So it was that Mazarak was the only one of Blackhorns sons not to have his horns adorn the armor of Taurok that night as the Gorefeaster led those given over to the lord of skulls in a massacre that would devastate the blackhorn tribe leaving only the strongest and most brutal of beasts, stained permanently red with the blood of their kin and filled with an unholy rage. Thus was born the Gorefeast Skullfray, led by the ferocious Taurok Gorefeast, clad in blessed brass armor and dedicated to bringing murder and ruin to the mortal realms in the name of their dark god.

What people? GW is a company and as the above person questioned; does anyone actually think "bin guy" is a single dude at GW wearing a dunce cap and writing rulebooks in crayon? "Sin and bin guy" aren't people, they are a term to personify and categorize the quality of the work done by the rules writing team. If the rules writing team feels personally attacked by their work being fairly universally panned (or at least regularly panned) then as the other guy said "do better" is a fair request from a consumer.

I always see this sentiment which really doesn't address anything no offense. "It isnt an easy army but you can win if you play well and your opponent plays poorly" is John Madden "to win the game you've got to score more points" levels of commentary. I played Dark Eldar from 5th edition, heck I play Beasts and Khorne. I know the benefits of playing a weaker army and the joys of winning with it, but that never once invalidated the criticism that it was incredibly poorly balanced. (Mind you I quit 40k in 7th.. 8th? when they were vastly improved but before they became even better). Bad books arent bad because they can never win they're bad because they demand so much of the player that they can only ever be enjoyed by the best players and while I appreciate the reward of mastering something difficult I dont think armies should be off limits to casual players just to make me feel good when I win with them.

So due to not getting a test measure I ended up with an awesome 3d printed basilisk I intended to use for a cockatrice but the size is just too big. So what do we think of Chimera? They seem really swingy, is there anyway to capitalize on them?

You'll be sad when you find out there aren't any more but the Spear of Shadows book is basically a normal adventuring group in the mortal realms novel. I felt like the cities book should have had a city that can coalition each army. Har kuron= DoK Living city= sylvaneth Tempest eye= Duardin Settlers gain= lumineth Misthaven= Idoneth One more for Seraphon. Maybe exclesis in the realm of beasts due to its attachment to the old world and the whole thing about Kroak showing up to fight Kragnos and they stuck around leading to more jungle forming around the city? It makes for some wonderful themed armies and provides a perfect jumping off point to lure people into AoS armies "proper".