Reforging Newly Retired Units!

[Marcvs]

39 minutes ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said:

They've said they'll update the rules as often as needed as long as this new edition lasts. 

Ultimately, though, it comes down to the question of how long it's reasonable to keep supporting rules for models that are no longer produced. And that's a bit of a moot point. 

That is why I think the "separate rules for old models" system is a bad way to handle this. My favourite way would be a system of official equivalences for new/still existing models, where you can use your old ones for broadly similar ones in GW Stores/GW Events (which of course propagates to all other communities). It doesn't even need to have the same base size, as rebasing (especially for bigger bases, which is in general the movement) is a reasonable ask. This would ensure updated rules and avoid the risk where an OOP model somehow get rules which are too good. Of course, this is harder where an entire faction with a specific look and playstyle is cut (BoC).

[Big Kim Woof-Woof]

1 hour ago, Marcvs said:

 My favourite way would be a system of official equivalences for new/still existing models, where you can use your old ones for broadly similar ones in GW Stores/GW Events (which of course propagates to all other communities). 

That'd be ideal. Similar to the list of 'counts as' they included at the end of the Compendiums when AoS was first released. 

[RetconnedLegion]

On 4/7/2024 at 2:02 PM, Big Kim Woof-Woof said:

Well, to be fair, these greedy baddies have said that we can do exactly what we like with our miniatures. They've made it perfectly clear that there's still going to be rules for everything. It's just a fraction of players who are really affected by the decision to restrict what's allowed at official events. 

In the case of Sacrosanct and Bonesplitterz it’s also a case of availability. If I want to add to my Maniaks in the future, I’ll be trawling eBay for them, something that’ll increase in difficulty and cost the further on we go. Having done that for years with Chaos Dwarfs, I can tell you it can really hurt your motivation for a project. 

[PiotrW]

11 hours ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said:

They've said they'll update the rules as often as needed as long as this new edition lasts.

Could I have a source, please? Because that's not what the article on Warhammer Community said a few days ago.

[Big Kim Woof-Woof]

3 hours ago, PiotrW said:

Could I have a source, please? Because that's not what the article on Warhammer Community said a few days ago.

"We encourage you to continue using your collection for casual play, and we will continue to support this content with rules and balance updates as needed throughout the edition."

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/04/whats-leaving-the-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-range/

[PiotrW]

44 minutes ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said:

"We encourage you to continue using your collection for casual play, and we will continue to support this content with rules and balance updates as needed throughout the edition."

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/04/whats-leaving-the-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-range/

On the other hand, they said they will be moving these models to Legends next year. So, here's something I'm wondering: does the stuff in Legends really receive updates? I haven't checked the app, but the last PDF warscrolls for Legends models available on WHC are from 2021. Have there been further updates for these models in the app?

[Neil Arthur Hotep]

8 hours ago, PiotrW said:

On the other hand, they said they will be moving these models to Legends next year. So, here's something I'm wondering: does the stuff in Legends really receive updates? I haven't checked the app, but the last PDF warscrolls for Legends models available on WHC are from 2021. Have there been further updates for these models in the app?

They updated a few Legends warscrolls at the start of 3rd ed, if I recall correctly.

[pnkdth]

21 hours ago, PiotrW said:

On the other hand, they said they will be moving these models to Legends next year. So, here's something I'm wondering: does the stuff in Legends really receive updates? I haven't checked the app, but the last PDF warscrolls for Legends models available on WHC are from 2021. Have there been further updates for these models in the app?

The might get the odd update, sometimes, but for the most part Legends is the slow death of a faction. Eventually (or right away), the rules do not keep up either by being incredibly bad and/or not making much sense with future updates. The biggest slap in the face as far as BoC is concerned is the army won't actually becoming OOP but instead repackaged for TOW. So the usual argument, and common practice in the tabletop industry, that it makes sense because OOP, doesn't. They could have kept them around because they still will be. 

I guess it is hip to be square, as a beasty boi.  Humour is a fine coping mechanism, I hear. 

[RexHavoc]

I will continue to play 1st edition (with skirmish) as I've always done, and the 4th edition starter set models will just become conversion fodder for more WFB units for my Slaanesh mortals army (stormcast) and WFB Skaven. I won't buy further into 4th edition than what ever the big 'bargain' FOMO starter set is.

Even having gave up on the edition chase early on I feel I'm saturated with enough AoS rule books, box sets, and literature now that I no longer feel I need to continue to support the game in any form to continue to enjoy the setting and my backlog is big enough that I'll have warbands & terrain material for 10+ years before a significant dent is even made in it.

I understand GWs need to retire most of these models, but they brought the issues on themselves mostly by flooding the market with cheap stormcast kits with the magazines and promotions and they need create some artificial scarcity again. The skaven kits for the most part are old, though some are baffling to be gotten rid of. The beastmen thing is just plain mental. Whilst I understand they logic behind most of it, I don't at all agree with it and massively disliked the backlash from it- from forcing people from feeling they need to choose to 'take a side', to seeing complete strangers call each other out for not having the same feelings over the situation.

I'll be keeping my models on the tabletop by doing exactly that- keeping them on the tabletop and ignoring GW. Treat GW as you might any other miniature manufacturer and not an all encompassing hobby and it becomes a lot easier to separate the hobby and the commercialism.