AoS and Old World cross over models

[Greybeard86]

16 hours ago, zilberfrid said:

I haven't found any issues there. The Escher heads are comparatively small, smaller than Frostgrave ones and I don't run into trouble with those (compared them tonight because I wanted the smallest head for a humonculus mini).

Making things bigger makes them easier to paint, of course, but we are painting miniatures, them being small is part of the point.

Making them even bigger than they are now makes them useless outside of Warhammer (they already stretch it for normal 28mm models), and pushes older Warhammer models to the edge of compatibility. Now sure, GW would love for you to replace all your models with new ones, but that is not the point.

Oh, you'll get lots of sympathy from me for cross-compatibility with other systems and eras. It is just that I have been painting some old minis and them eyelids...headache.

I have zero sympathy for GW's crusade to replace my old minis and it is not only about the money, it is the principle of it.

Edited February 1, 2021 by Greybeard86

[Popisdead]

On 1/29/2021 at 2:06 PM, Deepkin said:

Is there any proof its going to be 15mm? Seen literally nothing about that, and knowing GW, it makes no sense that they would do such a thing. 15mm models is a tiny market. 28-32mm scale minis is a massive market by comparison, and one in which theyre heavily invested and which they know people will buy.

I'm not sure.  It's been a chatter amongst the more,.. gamers who are stepped back from emotion about it.  Perhaps some people know and have made the comments we all latch on to.  Shrugs, 100% speculation here across all mindsets.  

They don't know if people will buy 30 mm old world models (I would say 90% of the old world clinger-ons have their old armies and are refusing to change).  GW *hopes* they will buy into their game.  I won't, and the major talk about the old world I see reposted is people who still feel negative emotions towards AoS.  When the ice weapons were released the atrocious caustic comments by people were shocking.  Granted I've stopped going on FB long ago so maybe people just still behave that way as the norm.  

I don't care if people still play 8th ed.  I think that's kinda neat.  I liked 4th ed Old hammer when it sprung up,.. what a decade ago?  Nostalgia is a cruel mistriss.  

People buy models and want to play games and have fun.  I support that.  I'm just looking at this logically from a standpoint of what GW manages and does.  It may well be 30 mm.  Cross sales between both games would be good.  But do they want to have a 3rd support team focus on another 30 mm game that will likely just cause strain in resources?  So let's say it's not 15 mm and it's 30 mm.  Do you think it will be GW proper or the FW resin the HObbit has shifted towards.  And those prices?  

[Deepkin]

The ice weapons do look kinda dumb.

I wouldn't care to firmly speculate on whether FW or GW does it. But if I had to guess. Since FW seems more and more scaled back lately, I wouldn't be surprised if GW proper does it in plastic rather than resin. But either way, I can't imagine they would start a whole new model line in a whole new scale (which they've never produced before and which is not very popular relative to 28-32mm ranges) which by its nature will have less of the intricate detail GW seems to love putting on its model. Again, GW wants your money. They revive the Old World line and its compatible in scale with its descendant AoS and with 40k and they will make money not only off people playing the new Old World game, but also off people buying models  for proxies, conversions, etc. They know what's up. 

[SeanMaguire1991]

1 hour ago, Deepkin said:

They revive the Old World line and its compatible in scale with its descendant AoS and with 40k and they will make money not only off people playing the new Old World game, but also off people buying models  for proxies, conversions, etc. They know what's up. 

Also saves them time and resources on the factions whose ranges are still relatively intact and only need a few additions (Empire Needs its Knights, Cannons, Mortars, Warrior Priests and Witch Hunters back).

[Beastmaster]

I’m actually quite chilled about ToW at the moment. I see it just as a nice potential source for alternative models. If they are in 28ish mm and I like one or the other, I’ll consider where and if I could use them for some project (Wfrp, Mordheim, AoS, whatever). If the answer is no, it doesn’t take anything away from the hobby as it is now.

Just happy that the Old World lives on in many ways.

[Beliman]

30 minutes ago, Beastmaster said:

I’m actually quite chilled about ToW at the moment. I see it just as a nice potential source for alternative models. If they are in 28ish mm and I like one or the other, I’ll consider where and if I could use them for some project (Wfrp, Mordheim, AoS, whatever). If the answer is no, it doesn’t take anything away from the hobby as it is now.

Just happy that the Old World lives on in many ways.

100% this.

We have a 6th edition community going on here, so everything from Fantasy it's just an plus to take things. If the rules set is fun, we could even play it. If not, we could use anything from TOW for AoS or 6th.

In other words, it seems that's a win/win for my community.

[zilberfrid]

14 hours ago, Popisdead said:

I'm not sure.  It's been a chatter amongst the more,.. gamers who are stepped back from emotion about it.  Perhaps some people know and have made the comments we all latch on to.  Shrugs, 100% speculation here across all mindsets.  

They don't know if people will buy 30 mm old world models (I would say 90% of the old world clinger-ons have their old armies and are refusing to change).  GW *hopes* they will buy into their game.  I won't, and the major talk about the old world I see reposted is people who still feel negative emotions towards AoS.  When the ice weapons were released the atrocious caustic comments by people were shocking.  Granted I've stopped going on FB long ago so maybe people just still behave that way as the norm.  

I don't care if people still play 8th ed.  I think that's kinda neat.  I liked 4th ed Old hammer when it sprung up,.. what a decade ago?  Nostalgia is a cruel mistriss.  

People buy models and want to play games and have fun.  I support that.  I'm just looking at this logically from a standpoint of what GW manages and does.  It may well be 30 mm.  Cross sales between both games would be good.  But do they want to have a 3rd support team focus on another 30 mm game that will likely just cause strain in resources?  So let's say it's not 15 mm and it's 30 mm.  Do you think it will be GW proper or the FW resin the HObbit has shifted towards.  And those prices?  

If it's 15mm, it would be "GW 15 mm" so closer to 22mm, which would mean the LotR models would almost fit. A few years later, the metal models would be the same scale again.

[Popisdead]

7 hours ago, zilberfrid said:

If it's 15mm, it would be "GW 15 mm" so closer to 22mm, which would mean the LotR models would almost fit. A few years later, the metal models would be the same scale again.

After the Kislev video this morning for Total War 3  they had Marc Bedford and Andy Hoare.  the former is a FW employee, the latter is head of "specialist games".  Because it's specialist games, I'm feeling more  it will not be a 30 mm plastic range.   I don't even think the old War of the Ring (alpha-8th ed) version of LotR exists any longer.  I heard the Hobbit went back to skirmish style narrative play akin to the 2001 era LotR rules.  The Hobbit is a Specialist game where the models are strictly FW.

 I can see FW making an Old World game if 30 mm to replace HH which kinda died and will die out more as GW pushes Primaris storylines and FW has something to explore.  

A good point Vince made on the recent Honest Wargamer is we know the story of a) HH and b) the old world.  Having old locked in timelines makes the narrative play for boutique specialist models makes sense more.