Maturin Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Marcvs said: Storms... that thing is not keyword restricted 😮 well then, yes, probably auto include in whatever grand alliance list one can come up with. Bonkers It functions like the +1 to cast to friendly wizards of the drakes, instead that's for all friendly's with teclis. Also, using LRL battlelines + Teclis + a Drake would be fun, they would get + 2 to cast, + 1 to dispell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 It's a pain in the ass though that Malign sorceries artifacts are being removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 12 minutes ago, Maturin said: It's a pain in the ass though that Malign sorceries artifacts are being removed. yeah, pretty bad, both for SCE and GA:Order at the moment, the realm artifact leaked so far are... underwhelming. We'll see I suppose. But now I cannot stop thinking of Teclis + Hearthguard bersekers in GA:O and things like that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Marcvs said: yeah, pretty bad, both for SCE and GA:Order at the moment, the realm artifact leaked so far are... underwhelming. We'll see I suppose. But now I cannot stop thinking of Teclis + Hearthguard bersekers in GA:O and things like that lol What do Hearthguard do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 15 minutes ago, Maturin said: What do Hearthguard do? if they have a Fyreslayers hero nearby they get a 4+ FNP of their own. But we digress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Are we leaning towards me not cleaning up, gluing together and painting my Lord Kroak model then? 😛 Teclis and 10 new archers might be simplest experiment (quickest to paint). Ofc one can boot up tabletop simulator again - but its not like I found time for that either haha. I usually find 1 - 1.5 hrs every 2 nights to paint andthen play tournaments when they pop up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 56 minutes ago, Turragor said: Are we leaning towards me not cleaning up, gluing together and painting my Lord Kroak model then? 😛 Lol I still hope they won't hit him with a +81 pts increase... I literally finished painting my Stormkroak earlier today ^^" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 Yeah Im gonna get him done. I mean, in fairness, LRL - following from Seraphon - aren't going to end pure SC lists. If you have to play pure SC you have a few options and Starcast is one of them. It may be that it's tough against LRL with Starcast (I think the list has a few tools to make it tough in return mind you) but that applies to the rest of the factions in the meta too. We shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 Also, this is good news: "while other options have gone down in points (looking at you Liberators and Putrid Blightkings)" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Turragor said: Yeah Im gonna get him done. I mean, in fairness, LRL - following from Seraphon - aren't going to end pure SC lists. If you have to play pure SC you have a few options and Starcast is one of them. It may be that it's tough against LRL with Starcast (I think the list has a few tools to make it tough in return mind you) but that applies to the rest of the factions in the meta too. We shall see. But a Shootcast would have an easier time. 4 balistas + LO isn't fun when you're on the receiving end. The biggest problem with Stormcast for me is our inability to go first if we want to. We'll always end up deploying last, unless you play a 2000pts Skyborne slayers with no other units besides those of the batallion. Edited July 3, 2020 by Maturin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Maturin said: We'll always end up deploying last, unless you play a 2000pts Skyborne slayers with no other units besides those of the batallion. OK, ok... hear me out: Spoiler Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsDrakesworn Templar (420)- Tempest AxeDrakesworn Templar (420)- Tempest AxeDrakesworn Templar (420)- Tempest Axe10 x Liberators (200)- Warhammer & Shield10 x Liberators (200)- Warhammer & Shield10 x Liberators (200)- Warhammer & ShieldDrakesworn Temple (140)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 108 No please! Don't leave the topic just yet. I can explain lol. Remember, Libs are getting a points drop ... plus em... hahaha I got nothing. I'm not so sure it's a bad idea, though 4 drops will still not outdrop the 1-2 drop power houses. PS: Come the new tome, if they buff the hell out of liberators, this is the kind of list I'll play lol. Edited July 3, 2020 by Turragor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 @Turragor Always wanted to play that list, but felt it lacked in defensive capabilities :). Sure the wave is nice but it feels udnerwhelming compared to the never dying LCoSD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 @Turragor @Marcvs Will we be able to make the perfect Drake ? https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/03/the-generals-handbook-2020-building-your-heroes/ "* Please note – this is a suggested house rule rather than an official ruling so if you don’t want to use custom heroes in your games, that’s fine too! " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 ok so, points for SCE have leaked @ chumphammer on twitter. Changes for Starcast after a fast read: Liberators at 90pts Incantor 120 (exorcist 90 lol ) Celestant prime 300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Marcvs said: ok so, points for SCE have leaked @ chumphammer on twitter. Changes for Starcast after a fast read: Liberators at 90pts Incantor 120 (exorcist 90 lol ) Celestant prime 300 Its great for thé Prime. Libs sucks anyway. WE néed New warscrolls for libs. Edited July 3, 2020 by Maturin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 I like seeing Concussors down to 220 and desolators and tempestors went down to 190, however the gap got shorter and I really prefer concussors if the points allow, their deny pilein on 6 to hit in itself is a really handy tool. Judicators going down to 140, had hoped to see 130 or even 120, but perhaps GW does not want to make it all too cheap and then improve warscroll to what SC should be in the next book and force people to massively cut their favourite army comps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, Scurvydog said: I like seeing Concussors down to 220 and desolators and tempestors went down to 190, however the gap got shorter and I really prefer concussors if the points allow, their deny pilein on 6 to hit in itself is a really handy tool. Yeah good stuff. Something people don't care about despite its effectiveness is thé etherwings. At40 points, its almost free. They won me several games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 After the point reductions, here's a first attempt at the low-magic version of Starcast -IF the possibility of allying LRL is confirmed, I have seen a leak with an alliance table for Destruction so they may include changes on this aspect. LCoSD 500 Templar 420 Castellant 120 3xLibs 270 Light of Eltharion 220 Prime 300 Incantor 120 Total: 1950 (you can either swap one unit of libs for bow judicators or include a unit of aetherwings) Again, if the alliance with LRL is possible, you can also swap the incantor for the archers, but I feel the inclusion of the autounbind scroll is still very useful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Marcvs said: After the point reductions, here's a first attempt at the low-magic version of Starcast -IF the possibility of allying LRL is confirmed, I have seen a leak with an alliance table for Destruction so they may include changes on this aspect. LCoSD 500 Templar 420 Castellant 120 3xLibs 270 Light of Eltharion 220 Prime 300 Incantor 120 Total: 1950 (you can either swap one unit of libs for bow judicators or include a unit of aetherwings) Again, if the alliance with LRL is possible, you can also swap the incantor for the archers, but I feel the inclusion of the autounbind scroll is still very useful. Without the ethereal amulet, I'm not really comfortable with the Templar. Sure, you could shine the light on him, but then the castellant hasn't got it. The prime could fit in a piece of terrain in a pinch to get +1 save, but not the drake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Maturin said: Without the ethereal amulet, I'm not really comfortable with the Templar. Sure, you could shine the light on him, but then the castellant hasn't got it. The prime could fit in a piece of terrain in a pinch to get +1 save, but not the drake. Of course he's more vulnerable, but I tend to use him as counterpunch, keeping him further behind the Celestant. In any case, I always took Ignax on the Celestant so far Edited July 4, 2020 by Marcvs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Marcvs said: I always took Ignax on the Celestant so far Which won't be available anymore either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted July 4, 2020 Author Share Posted July 4, 2020 My group has stopped using malign sorcery artefacts anyway so I'm not super fussed. Points drops pretty much across the board is quite nice. Lots to fiddle with before the new tome 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted July 4, 2020 Share Posted July 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Maturin said: Which won't be available anymore either yep, I am well aware and not happy about it my point is exactly that it's not the ethereal amulet that I will be missing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 Did the points changes affect thundercat lists? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scurvydog Posted July 5, 2020 Share Posted July 5, 2020 (edited) Going to a turny and thinking of bringing my SC now. I love the extra points available in the list, but really conflicted on what might be the best synergy: LCoSD 500 Incantor 120 Castellan 120 Prime 300 3 x 5 libs 270 4 concussors 440 comet 100 But that leaves some budget of 120 could be judicators, and most other heroes... Another incantor could improve my magic a bit, better defense with another scroll an possibly dispell the comet for the other to recast. A Knight Heraldor to toot some MW and also assist the LCoSD to maximize stormwinged is also interesting. Heck even 2 castellans to reinforce both the drake and dracoth unit could be worth something and lastly a Relictor for divine light and some heal or MW output. Edited July 5, 2020 by Scurvydog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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