Marcvs Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Maturin said: Thats what I fear. I waw about to buy two srardrakes let's hope they don't, I just received my second in time to give me lots to paint during lockdown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Marcvs said: let's hope they don't, I just received my second in time to give me lots to paint during lockdown May the Emprah be with us my brethren. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedemptionUK Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 Where are the rumours of nerfs coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, RedemptionUK said: Where are the rumours of nerfs coming from? Our heads. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 18, 2020 Author Share Posted March 18, 2020 They're baseless lol, the list will still struggle enough against some gatekeeper lists that it'll never go more than 4 wins with Kroak at a big tournament. However, I do feel like Kroak's addition could push it up to a 4-1 list for me given the amount of experience I have now, that remains to be tested ofc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
readercolin Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 I think that these accusations that double drake + kroak is going to be the new meta to be both baseless and foolish. After all, its the triple stardrake + kroak you have to worry about: Ex: Drakesworn Templar Drakesworn Templar Drakesworn Templar Lord-Castellent Lord Kroak ally 5x Liberators 5x Liberators 5x Liberators Comes out to 2k points exactly Quick, buy your stardrakes now before they go out of stock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, readercolin said: I think that these accusations that double drake + kroak is going to be the new meta to be both baseless and foolish. After all, its the triple stardrake + kroak you have to worry about: Ex: Drakesworn Templar Drakesworn Templar Drakesworn Templar Lord-Castellent Lord Kroak ally 5x Liberators 5x Liberators 5x Liberators Comes out to 2k points exactly Quick, buy your stardrakes now before they go out of stock This list is a risky proposition! Draksworn aren't tanks like LCoSD, but one of them can be 3+ imperious to rend with the brooch or 4++ with Ignax. But the two others can be dealt with "easily" if you face a rend heavy army. Kroak could give rr1 on one of them. Castellant shine his light (you can't heal with his ability cause you ain't got a 1+ [Staunch+ light]. Plus It's quite sad to take Kroak without endless spells Edited March 18, 2020 by Maturin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
readercolin Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Maturin said: This list is a risky proposition! Draksworn aren't tanks like LCoSD, but one of them can be 3+ imperious to rend with the brooch or 4++ with Ignax. But the two others can be dealt with "easily" if you face a rend heavy army. Kroak could give rr1 on one of them. Castellant shine his light (you can't heal with his ability cause you ain't got a 1+ [Staunch+ light]. Plus It's quite sad to take Kroak without endless spells Nothing about that list stated the stormhost, so you can easily get the 1+ save (staunch + light). Keep the 3 drakes together and you can have 1 with a 1+ and 2 with 2+ saves. The only advantage tank wise that the Celestant has is the "Sigmarite Thundershield" - aka, re-roll saves of 1. This however can be replicated by Mystic Shield from Kroak, as well as by spending a command point for "All out Defense". Yes, the Celestant can send mortal wounds back at nearby opponents when it re-rolls a failed save, and that is great when facing off against hordes of no-rend attacks. However, looking at it from a pure tankiness aspect, each of the drakes can be just as tanky as the Celestant can. As for Kroak's endless spells, he can only cast 1 endless spell a turn, and since he can't cast the comet, there aren't really any others that are good enough that won't really come back to bite you. As it is, he can cast Comet's Call, mystic shield, and then still has space for Arcane Bolt and Celestial Deliverance. Or for Celestial Deliverance, Celestial Deliverance, Celestial Deliverance and Comet's Call. Your choice really... That being said, if you really want an endless spell, you can downgrade Kroak to a Slaan Starmaster. This loses you 1 spell/unbind, and loses you Celestial Deliverance. But it does free up 60 points for an endless spell (or two if you go for cheap ones). Is it worth it? Ehhh. You also lose 1 more 4+ to get a command point, and you lose the 4+ FNP as well. If we could get 20 more points from somewhere else to be able to bring in the Celestant, I would probably say yes. But trying to do that right now gets us to 2020 points, and you really don't want to cut the Castellent if you can avoid it, but he is the last point of "flex" space if you are running 3 drakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 I like the idea of 3 drakes but I think for true impact, you're probably best stepping back and looking at where the points are freed up around that traditional starcast "core". The thing that sticks out is the comet/SC caster absence. For me this always equates to "Celestant Prime" Spoiler LeadersLord Kroak (320)- AlliesCelestant-Prime (340)Lord-Celestant on Stardrake (500)- General- Celestine Hammer- Command Trait: Staunch Defender - Artefact: Ignax's Scales - Mount Trait: Storm-wingedDrakesworn Templar (420)- Tempest AxeLord-Castellant (120)Battleline5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x Grandhammers5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield- 1x GrandhammersTotal: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 320 / 400Wounds: 83 So where the Kroak, Incantor/Comet, Drake, Drake list has a focus on recycling the comet - later in the game (when battle is joined) you'll get less impact from that comet - if you can even find space to land it without laying wounds on your own guys. Your Incantor will be laying on Azyrite Halo instead. In this list, the late game has more comet potential via the scepter (which lets you choose range to keep things safe). Or you might have a match where you don't think the comet chip damage will take off a key piece so you use the Prime as assassin (with many CP for all out attack and charge rerolls - delaying when you need to declare you're using Orrery of fates and thus increasing the chances of 1 extra 3 damage attack getting through). Spontaneously I feel like the Prime's weakness means it's a more risky list. It'll require more finesse than the comet recycling variant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Turragor said: Hide contents Spontaneously I feel like the Prime's weakness means it's a more risky list. It'll require more finesse than the comet recycling variant. Actually, the Prime can survive a bit more if you can place him inside a terrain and cast mystic shield on him. It's very situational though, but I had mine survive thanks to that. Bonus points if you get charged when inside a terrain with staunch defender on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Kroak is out of stock online. I think it's telling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 Just now, Maturin said: Kroak is out of stock online. I think it's telling! lol mine is on the way (corona delayed no doubt) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Turragor said: lol mine is on the way (corona delayed no doubt) oh really? I was expecting the delivery from GW (of lord Kroak, ofc) by the end of last week but still nothing in sight and I am already stressing that it got stolen (wouldn't be the first time, unfortunately ). Maybe I can still hope if you are also experiencing delays... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Marcvs said: oh really? I was expecting the delivery from GW (of lord Kroak, ofc) by the end of last week but still nothing in sight and I am already stressing that it got stolen (wouldn't be the first time, unfortunately ). Maybe I can still hope if you are also experiencing delays... Stolen ? Where do you live ? What service do you use ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Maturin said: Stolen ? Where do you live ? What service do you use ? A small town in France, and the service is the normal delivery service of the post. It was marked as "delivered" by the post, so my conclusion is that it was stolen either from the post-box or "intercepted" at the moment of delivery. In any case, since the post says it was delivered, it is very hard to get a refund edit: let's look at the bright side instead. The second Stardrake, courtesy of ebay, arrived safely Edited March 19, 2020 by Marcvs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Marcvs said: A small town in France, and the service is the normal delivery service of the post. It was marked as "delivered" by the post, so my conclusion is that it was stolen either from the post-box or "intercepted" at the moment of delivery. In any case, since the post says it was delivered, it is very hard to get a refund edit: let's look at the bright side instead. The second Stardrake, courtesy of ebay, arrived safely Ah la Poste. Never get something sent during holidays or stress intensive periods. That's when they hire temporary workers and the chances your items are gonna get missing increases. Whenever I can I always get stuff delivered to relay points. They can't cheat with those. Or you can be unlucky like me and have a stupid postman trying to shove an item that doesn't fit, into your mailbox, leading to your item not fully inside your mail box and thus anybody can take it! Pics of a book I ordered from ebay which luckily wasn't stolen : PS : Depending on the card you use you might get a refund from your bank ? Edited March 19, 2020 by Maturin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcvs Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Maturin said: Whenever I can I always get stuff delivered to relay points. They can't cheat with those. PS : Depending on the card you use you might get a refund from your bank ? Yeah, I do the same but in the present situation the idea of not leaving the building was also appealing. Oh well, worst case scenario I will eat up the loss and buy it again in better times, there's not a big chance I will need it to play any time soon. As for the rest, I will get in touch with GW by the end of this week and see what's the status of the delivery first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted March 19, 2020 Author Share Posted March 19, 2020 26 minutes ago, Marcvs said: there's not a big chance I will need it to play any time soon. this is it yes, most events will be cancelled from now (or a week away in some countries less affected just now) on until probably May/June 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Maturin Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 On 3/20/2020 at 2:28 PM, Turragor said: u lucky mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcaliburNick Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I've been flitting between armies, but it looks like Stormcast Eternals are going to be the one I spend some time getting ready for the table. I love the idea of these Starcast lists, and they match up with what I have (basically) after a trade and some buying of stuff I like the look of/want to paint and play. I don't have or really want Kroak, so here's my attempt at a list variant from the ones I've read about here.Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Celestial WarbringersCelestant-Prime (340)Knight-Incantor (140)- Spell: Azyrite HaloLord-Castellant (120)Lord-Celestant on Stardrake (500)- General- Stormbound Blade- Command Trait: Staunch Defender- Artefact: Ignax's Scales- Mount Trait: Storm-winged5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bows5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield6 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (180)- 2x Stormsurge Tridents3 x Evocators on Dracolines (260)Everblaze Comet (100)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 92 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 16 hours ago, XcaliburNick said: I've been flitting between armies, but it looks like Stormcast Eternals are going to be the one I spend some time getting ready for the table. I love the idea of these Starcast lists, and they match up with what I have (basically) after a trade and some buying of stuff I like the look of/want to paint and play. I don't have or really want Kroak, so here's my attempt at a list variant from the ones I've read about here.Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals- Stormhost: Celestial WarbringersCelestant-Prime (340)Knight-Incantor (140)- Spell: Azyrite HaloLord-Castellant (120)Lord-Celestant on Stardrake (500)- General- Stormbound Blade- Command Trait: Staunch Defender- Artefact: Ignax's Scales- Mount Trait: Storm-winged5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bows5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammer & Shield6 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (180)- 2x Stormsurge Tridents3 x Evocators on Dracolines (260)Everblaze Comet (100)Total: 2000 / 2000Extra Command Points: 0Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 92 I like this - the 2 units you have in in place of drake 2 are neat - Javelin Prosecutors are an old love of mine and the Dracolines give you speed and dispell. The single 5 jud choice is interesting. I have no feedback on that - it's not good or bad at first glance. One thing (or 3): - Celestial Warbringers and - Command Trait: Staunch Defender - Artefact: Ignax's Scales Are not compatible. You'd never have the trait and you'd only be able to take ignax after a battalion (giving you 1 more artefact). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcaliburNick Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 25 minutes ago, Turragor said: One thing (or 3): - Celestial Warbringers and - Command Trait: Staunch Defender - Artefact: Ignax's Scales Are not compatible. You'd never have the trait and you'd only be able to take ignax after a battalion (giving you 1 more artefact). Thank you! I blanked on that one. I forgot I had chosen a specific Stormhost from a previous example. I'm reasonably new to AoS, still getting used to army composition. If I don't choose a named Stormhost I can still select any trait/artifact correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, XcaliburNick said: Thank you! I blanked on that one. I forgot I had chosen a specific Stormhost from a previous example. I'm reasonably new to AoS, still getting used to army composition. If I don't choose a named Stormhost I can still select any trait/artifact correct? Correct, generic Stormcast can choose freely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcaliburNick Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Turragor said: The single 5 jud choice is interesting. I have no feedback on that - it's not good or bad at first glance. Thanks again for the help! There was a Starcast list that had 1x20 Sequitors and 2x5 Judicators, and I had 60pts kicking around when all of them were Liberators and to be honest I have ~10 Judicators so figured it would be interesting to chuck 5 in and see what they do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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