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The list (above) is what I'm taking to Krigsluntan tomorrow / Sunday. I don't predict better than 3 wins - which is optimistic! The event is being covered by the Honestwargamer and there are a fair few SC lists being taken. Anvilstrike is quite dominant. You can see a stats breakdown here. The lists are here. You should be able to follow on TTT here. Biggest event I have been to so it's exciting I predict good results for Bonereapers, Cities, Ironjawz & Daughters of Khaine. There is definitely hope for an Anvilstrike podium. Strong hope I'd say. But that is based on the local players rather than the strength of each of those factions. You never know on the day! PS. I did a silly write up of my list here.

SoJ would be kinda neat. Another idea I toyed with was related to the Prime and the different stormhost rules. (NB I haven't chased this rules interpretation up yet - perhaps folks could chime in). The CAs and bonuses for the hosts impact the host keyword. That keyword isn't reliant on whether a unit is named or not but whether a scroll has already got a stormhost keyword or not. The Prime - as far as I can tell - takes the keyword of the host you choose (if you choose one) like any other SC keyword unit in your SC allegiance army. He's like Sigmars finest, above the hosts - fluff wise. He also is a hero so can trigger all the CAs (on himself). So I had an idea of taking my list but Anvils or Celestial Vindicators or Astral Templars. Even Hammers for the ward save (and maybe a sneaky Vandus for an extra attack). I abandoned it because for a big tourney, with a gimicky list, its another layer of gimick on top, and the prime isn't a fantastic recipient of all the CAs, traits and abilities. However I think it is something I might explore further. Especially if its still possible when SC get a rework tweak and (if) the prime is made a little more attractive.

What I DON'T think this list can handle at all however (which I'll see), are Ossiarch lists with lots of Mortek guard. Basically because of battleshock immunity. Damaging them is easier for my list than maybe others (nom nom dragons), but most of the big horde units I'd take out would be due to battleshock. Then again, that applies to quite a few things. Not just my list. Mortek with 3+ rr failed saves that are battleshock immune will be tough.

R1 artillery piece. Without the buffing suppprt char the stormfiends felt manageable. That char was gone r1. Otherwise it would have been v tough Windlaunchers are 4s and 4s which helps and I only faced a double turn R3 iirc. By then the opponent wasn't sure what to focus and had only the stormfiends left really.

Both drakes are a bit expensive given what some other armies have access to yes. They do have some really nice tools though. I think they are tough scrolls to balance out. Best idea would be to figure out when they are "too cheap", like if 9 out of 10 SC armies have 1, 5 out of 10 have 2. Or if SC ally armies include 1 like they now include Gotrek - or something like that. Or work from the cost of the battalions. Alternatively, you could keep their price but have it so that they open up some battleline options or other army building fun when they are generals.

2 lists tested* last 2 weekends. Thought I'd share for those who are interested. LizardCast Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals Leaders Drakesworn Templar (460) - General - Arc Hammer - Trait: Staunch Defender - Artefact: Mirrorshield Drakesworn Templar (460) - Storm Lance - Mount Trait: Storm-winged Knight-Incantor (140) - Spell: Lightning Blast Battleline 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandblades LIZARDS 6 x Desolators (600) Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs Dais Arcanum (30) Malevolent Maelstrom (10) Test - small 3 game 1 day tourney. Result - 1 Major win, 2 minor losses. I kinda liked this but I wasnt sold on 2 drakesworn and desolators (on paper the idea was neat). StarStormHeroCast Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals Mortal Realm: Shyish Leaders Celestant-Prime (340) Lord-Celestant on Stardrake (560) - General - Celestine Hammer - Trait: Staunch Defender Drakesworn Templar (460) - Tempest Axe - Artefact: Ethereal Amulet - Mount Trait: Storm-winged Lord-Castellant (120) Lord-Exorcist (120) - Spell: Azyrite Halo Battleline 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs Everblaze Comet (100) Test - 1 whole entire practice game (against a good player with that Skaventide 9 stormfiend, 40 plague monks & bell list) Result - Major win ... However the way it FELT to play the lists, the 2nd won out and I'm taking it to the big Stockholm tournament next weekend (98 players with some very interesting lists). I predict ... best bet 3 wins. Likely result 2 wins. If I get unlucky in any way, a win But support heroes gathering to buff units BETTER BEWARE (this is quite effective right now). *testing may or may not include actual testing and is completely non-scientific.

I think if you can use the same armies (big square bases with round or square holes to make up units) it will add variety. HOWEVER and I mean this as someone who played WHFB long ago, liked the setting but just never liked the complexity of the rules (IE an old player but one who mostly painted)... IF it gets dumpstered again, it might be the funniest thing I will have been near to (community wise) in a long time.

Slaanesh says hello. This is why they're top dogs at mo.

Got a question that has no doubt not come up often: Drakesworn Templar - Skybolt Bow If you score one or more hits on an enemy unit with this model's Skybolt Bow, add 1 to hit rolls for attacks made by friendly DRACOTHIAN GUARD units that target that enemy unit until the end of that turn. Does this stack with 2 Templars. I am convinced it doesn't, but I cant find the core ability stacking rules in my collection at the moment (I'll keep hunting).

I think you've a cache issue, I can see those traits in incognito mode/ cleared cache - not with an older tab I had open though. Can you try with a fresh tab and let us know what else isn't there still (if anything)?

Yep Fyreslayers Magmadroths have no duplicate trait restriction. I don't have the Orruk book but I've CoS and I can't find Mount Traits in there at all.

aha, thanks for that correction And yes it is new (SCE 2.0 tome and the more recent Fyreslayers 2.0 tome do not have the same duplicate mount trait restriction) but I assume it's the way it'll be going forward... Unless this is another subtle nod from GW that no other mount is quite like a Stonehorn (and they need exceptions).

1 quick note: an army may not include duplicates of the same mount trait (Ogor Mawtribes tome p78) & you only hve 1 until you take a battalion. Same as artefacts. I love new ogors but am worried for any melee army in the current activation wars. Still think the good lists(of which i think there will be quite a few) are greater than 50% win rate. Solid 3 of 5 wins tourney army.

No no your response was excellent. It helped me edit away the ****** from mine (in which I was mainly trying to point out that there are decent lists that can be overlooked in the race to change them to more mera ish lists). My post was awful looking back on it in the cold light of morning - tiredly trying to express an idea and failing largely

Looking at the list (not me btw :P) they've elements in there that I imagine are played the same as I play when I take the drake and prime. They also have a few other bits that I now think "hey thats a good idea!" about so that's cool! I'm 9/0/4 last 3 (smaller) tournaments with the LCoSD and Prime list so I'd say over the longer run, designating it a 3/0/2 list looks about right. I want to shake it up a bit with 6 Desolators and a Templar, but I may take a Prime/LCoSD variant to my next tourney as it's my first 100 player tourney. I like the idea of seeing what the list can do at a bigger event. I'm not sure, statistically, it makes more difference. Maybe more games at a tournament is more indicative of the list more than more potential opponents at a regular 5 game event.

You have written what I intended to write without my bias towards large lizards and this is a much better discussion point as a result

The way you guys are trashing drakes (as in no 5 for 5 winning lists can have them - which is probably right) makes me want to take 2. I'll still win at least 3 of 5 at the next 100 person tournament. How does one account for that? Some lists you will meet just cannot handle stardrakes. I think that's where part of the cost comes from. If they lower the price I'll paint my 3rd. I kinda land on the other side of the fence. /Edit - I've ran through a few edits trying to word my opinions on this and I can't really do it justice. On the one hand, this is something that you see in all discussions about competitive AoS lists(which is a result of balance issues, lets be honest) - ppl accelerate feedback towards the best list they have heard gets good results for each faction. Like propaganda of a kind. /Edit x 2 - better discussion without rambling additions. Carry on folks!

I made this one (butcher with cauldron - now slaugthermaster) when I started BCR like 2 yrs ago and I painted up 1k points. I think I'll finish painting this dude now: He is magnetised to the chest and the idea is I'll use him as a huskard for my planned big beasties if I so wish. Bonus original composition which was just kitbashing (it changed a lot as I worked):

Thanks for the feedback, I reckon I can go 3 for 5 with a variation of what I'm thinking of. The main goal is to remove support heroes with impunity and then test out the smashiness of 6 desolators. Previously I had a drake, prime and Heraldor together. Playing anvilstrike just isn't in my blood. Even though it probably does what needs doing better.

Big tourney in a month. Want to take SC (as I do best with them). Want to try lyzrdskynyrds. Should I run this list: Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals Drakesworn Templar (460) - Storm Lance Lord-Castellant (120) Knight-Incantor (140) 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 5 x Judicators (160) - Skybolt Bows - 1x Shockbolt Bows 5 x Judicators (160) - Skybolt Bows - 1x Shockbolt Bows 6 x Desolators (600) 3 x Aetherwings (50) 3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Longstrike Crossbows (170) Dais Arcanum (30) Malevolent Maelstrom (10) Where I try my best to act normal and balanced, or do I tweak it to fulfill my fetish of taking a dragon and the celestant prime at all times?: Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals Drakesworn Templar (460) - Storm Lance Lord-Castellant (120) Knight-Incantor (140) Celestant-Prime (340) 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 6 x Desolators (600) Dais Arcanum (30) Malevolent Maelstrom (10) Dare I be full "DragonAutist" ? Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals Lord-Celestant on Stardrake (560) - Celestine Hammer Drakesworn Templar (460) - Storm Lance Skink Starpriest (80) - Allies 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 5 x Liberators (100) - Warhammer & Shield - 1x Grandhammers 6 x Desolators (600)

How do you mean? Don't these fall under "or have a later publication date"?

Updates galore for this site at the moment - there are a few dedicated helpers working away! Spells are now added, you can add endless spells too, and we've got StD, Tamurkhan's Horde etc added in as units. I think it's just Pestilens to go (BoC too) - but you can always "ally" in units from a faction too while that's in progress.

@daviseford deserves the lion's share of the credit for setting it all up - then some of us fill in the factions Re: app - it works on a mobile web browser pretty neatly already. Unless you mean something else?

Should be up soon. We've also added realm spells, spells in general (SC) and endless spells (SC). I added all spells to units that were missing them.

The site now supports spells (prayers included) and endless spells! I have added Fyreslayers.