Eternalis

Sadly, it's on "to wound". Aelves will keep the winning position!

All these changes will slow the game down. I understand why there are more are more MW now, they want to keep the game as fast as possible...

They only sell it in english. Books are sold in English, French, Italian, German, Japanese...

It's pretty common, GW is a small company, printing a small amount of books and/or games. Because of that, they wait, just like everyone else. If they were asking their third party to print 300K of each BT or Codex, that would be different.

Back in the day we had no idea about that. For about one year, there was no way to purchase these models outside of Ebay for more than 100€. Now we know that these "limited" heroes will be released alone at a later date, but when? Ironscale is still missing while the Lord Of Pain had is solorelease...

What? The first book was printed long before the release of the Lumineths... It was all planed. What wasn't planned was the fact that they didn't manage to release all the models of the first wave before the new 40K edition.

They all have this. I mean, all the SCE ^^ These look like Liberators, they obviously are Liberators!

I kinda agree but charging with SoS will prevent you to use your 6" pile in to strike before your opponent or once he activated all his units. Charging with SoS is "okay", but it removes a lot of their shenanigans potential.Better give MR to your Witches, they will have more impact because they already deal more wounds than SoS. SoS are for me, and it pains me to admit it (as I own 40 of them), the worst unit we have right now. They feel out of place, even in their own sub-faction. They are expensive (12pts for 1 wound), they lack some punch, they don't want to charge while we NEED to charge for MR and Draichi Ganeth. Better go witch Witches.

Wow... Sorry but your opponent paid 240€ for that combo :p

The first CA you're talking about is a generic one we can all use. Bravery bomb is bad because this CA is bs, and that make the bravery stat worthless. But if you choose to plan ALL your bravery bomb on only one unit, well... Maybe your plan was bad? For the second one I get it, it's frustrating. Just like the "always strike first" rule. The thing is that LRL have a lot of these frustrating mechanics. They prevent you to move, to run, to use your CA, will bravery bomb you all day because you killed too much of their models, they can snipe your heroes without LOS ... There are rules in AOS, but just like OBR (on a smaller scope), Lumineth don't have to play with it.

It depends of your list. Some armies will really struggle because of this. If the leaks are real, the new lore of magic has a new spell that prevents your opponent to use a CA on 1 chosen unit. How is that fun for your opponent? The biggest problem with Lumineth is that they can't win against the top meta army but, in the same time, they are not fun at all for many other factions. They are in a strange spot.

Yeah, because DoK players can't agree with you on this stalkers nonsense? We said it on the forum that this combo was bs. Thanks for being so nice to the DoK players. Lumineths get some fancy stuff, and some look really strong AND stupid.

I've been playing a good old Aelves list on TTS against a STD army yesterday and managed to crush him hard. The game was on FOCAL POINTS I was running this list : Allegiance: Daughters of Khaine- Temple: Khelt NarHag Queen (90)- Prayer: Martyr's SacrificeHag Queen on Cauldron of Blood (220)- General- Artefact: Iron Circlet- Prayer: Catechism of MurderMorathi-Khaine (210)- Lore of Shadows: MindrazorThe Shadow Queen (390)30 x Witch Aelves (300)- Sacrificial Knives and Blade Bucklers30 x Sisters of Slaughter (360)- Barbed Whips and Blade Bucklers10 x Sisters of Slaughter (120)- Barbed Whips and Blade Bucklers5 x Khinerai Heartrenders (80)5 x Khinerai Heartrenders (80)Avatar of Khaine (130)Total: 1980 / 2000 He was running a list with 2 Demon princes, one Chaos lord on manticore, 1 chaos lord, 1 chaos sorcerer lord, 10 knights with spears, 35 warriors (one pack of 20 with shield, one pack of 15 with double weapons). I was a bit afraid of not being able to kill all these warriors without mindrazor. My Plan was to launch the Shadow Queen into his knights and heroes to stop them before they charge into my packs and hopefully to give me some map control. Turn 1: He used his allegiance ability to move a pack of 20 warriors inside the middle objective. He gave me first turn. I managed to pass all my prayers thanks to the avatar, failed all my spells on morathi but her warscroll spell, dealing 3 wounds to the sorcerer lord. I've put witchbrew on my 30 witches but failed the one the 30 SoS. Then I ran and tried charge. Sadly, only The SQ and the 10 SoS managed to get into combat with the pack of 20 warriors, each of these 2 units were charging on a flank, to prevent my opponent to pile in. The Shadow Queen also managed to lock into combat one Demon prince. After the combat phase, the demon prince was dead, obliterated by a true god (SQ took 3 wounds), 1 chaos warrior was dead, and 5 SoS were dead and 2 more fled with bravery test. On his first turn he sent his 15 warriors (they're on the left side) forward to my 30 witches, his knights were moving on the right side of the battlefield and the chaos lord on manticore tried to move closer to the Shadow Queen. He charged with his 15 warriors into my witches, he activated them twice before i could react, killing 19 of them (I was missing the 5+ ward save here...). Score : STD 4 / DoK 2 Turn 2 : Double turn for STD. His Sorcerer managed to use a spell that prevented my 30 SoS to move until his next hero phase. He moved his knights closer to combat, to protect his objective flank and the objective on the right.The Manticore made a small charge to reach Big Morathi (that wasn't the plan), dealt 3 wounds to the SQ. Full of hatred, the real God on the table killed him by only using her Hearthrender, noone of these chaotic cowards was a match for her. He managed to finish my pack of 30 witches, without any retaliation, I barely scratched the Chaos Warrior's armor in the middle with my 3 SoS but he didn't kill any of her either... On my turn, the hero phase was good, once again passing all my prayers thanks to the Avatar. I managed to snipe the Sorcerer lord with a black horror of Ulgu and after that, the SQ was blessed by Morathi-Khaine with the holy Mindrazor. I used MK command ability on the SQ to deal some damage to the chaos warriors but that turned pretty underwhelming. Then I retreated with the SQ the come closer to his pack of knights, my cauldron boosted by CoM came closer to the pack of 15 warriors on the side, then I dropped 5 khinerais to protect my flank after the loss of my 30witches, and prevent the Chaos Warriors to enter my objective. The charge phase was good. SQ charged into the knights, the Cauldron on the pack of 15, MK and the Avatar on foot charged the huge pack of Chaos Warriors on the middle Objective. The Cauldron managed to destroy about the 15 warriors with many 6 to hit on the avatar sword, the SQ killed 5 knights thanks to Mindrazor, sadly on the middle, Morathi-Khaine and the Avatar barely dealt any damage. In return, Morathi-Khaine took 3 wounds, leaving the SQ to only 3 wounds... Score : STD 8 / DoK 4 Turn 3 : Now was the time of the Double turn! Once again all prayers passed, Mindrazor too on the Cauldron of blood. I Moved the cauldron and the khinerais near him, toward the objective inside my opponent deployement zone, to charge the Demon prince that was sitting on it. I Retreated with MK and SQ and dropped 5 more khinerais near the shadow queen, to take control of the other chaotic objective. At this point, I wasn't sure to be able to kill enough CW in the middle to cap the point, so I decided to attack on the sides. Shooting phase with SQ killed 2 knights. Charge phase was good, everything went in contact. The SQ killed the remaining 3 knights, capping the objective with the help of the Khinerais. On the other side, the cauldron took the Demon prince down to 1 wound and was left untouched by his corruption. With the help of the khinerais, i took the objective on this side as well. Once again, the Avatar didn't kill more than one CW in the middle. Things were looking bad for the STD player. He brought his chaos lord near his remaining Demon Prince to kill the Khinerais and recap the objective. His Demon Prince healed himself, he was now 4 wounds. After the fight all the Khinerais were dead by the hand of the Demon Prince but the cauldron was furious and with a hatred attack, killed the Chaos Lord. We had 1 model each on the objective, he didn't take the objective back! I was now controlling the 4 points on the sides, but the Chaos was still in control of the middle one. Score : StD 10 / DoK 10 We decided to stop the game. All he had left was about 9 CW in the middle and a Demon Prince alone against a cauldron. I had full map control and I could even summon 5 more Khinerais just in case. The game was really good but sadly it was more of a Shadow Queen show than anything else. She destroyed about 1000 STD points and my opponent had no way to stop her. Even more in Khelt Nar... These Retreats and Charges on the SQ were terrifying. She could go where she pleases, killing everyone on sight, doing these pesky charges to contact only one model. My list was better I think, even with all the Aelves nerfs, but I justed wanted to try the new BT with the units I have.

They're not cheap, they cost the price they should. 90points for 5 chaos warriors is "ok" at best. Obviously they are much more cost effective than 5 Twinsouls, but bring the Symbaresh at 140 or 130, now you could think about bringing some on the battlefield. You may even consider other competitive lists than spamming STD/ BoC with Glutos...

And what about Seekers being 10 points cheaper and Twinsouls 30 points cheaper? Or Painbringers being 40 points cheaper? Would you still run only seekers in your list? Or would you mix? I don't see any incentive right now to play Hedonites mortals (from the hedonites book) because demons are much better even though they are overpriced as well. And this is why the internal balance is bad.

No Morgwaeth cost 80 points, her coven comes with her for free.

Yes. It has always been the case.

Thanks!

Could you give me the email adress of the FAQ team?

Strike first and kill them before they kill you Pick a Hag on Cauldron to give your snake +1save and you may even take the prayer to reroll your fanatical faith rolls.

I don't see Lifetaker as an harrassing unit. To me, they are a kamikaze missile unit that may deal a lot of damage. 10 Lifetakers charging inside the Shadow Queen aura will deal a lot, even more with some buffs, which is pretty good for 160 points. If I want to control objectives, I'd be using Shadowstalkers or Hearthrenders.

We roll one dice, there is no mention of another dice or another roll. To me, we only have to roll once.

This is the best idea I've heard this year. Take my money GW!

Here is some stats I made to know if new Witches are worse than the current ones. They're in Hagg Narr for this test (and I included some Draichi Ganeth just to try). edit : BR is for bravery... : How are they even worse? Ok you won't be dealing 150 wounds to a low bravery with 6+ saves, but on the other hand, they're more reliable. And damn, these Draichi Ganeth witches will tear Ossiarchs or other high saves armies apart...

Yes. The SCE player either choose between rolling the dice or the auto unbinding. There are possibilities, and all these changes requires more planning from us. Was it nerfs or buffs? I don't know. But now I'm much more interested in list building than before because everything looks on the same power level. I've been playing a lot with statshammer since the leaks and I've yet to understand how we could be as bad as some people here are saying.