Kasper

Not being able to take a trait/artefact is a big deal. I feel unique characters are often priced really odd compared to their standard counterpart that can be beefed up big time. His CA also feels a little lackluster. While it is better than the normal CA, theres just so much you want to spend CPs on that I rarely find myself wanting to waste a CP on his CA.

They are slowly starting to show up now :P https://thehonestwargamer.com/aos-results-2nd-december-2019/

This is exactly what I imagined. I already use one for all my rolls due to stinky dice from slightly sweaty hands/generally more comfy to stuff dice into the cup then shake.

Come on man, nobody is saying that Seraphon is OP in a competitive environment. Your statistics are 100% irrelevant when this post is about casual games between mates that lack experience and seemingly just put random units into a list and call it a day. Absolutely nothing wrong with this. Armies have significant different power levels depending on what kind of experience the player has controlling them, fighting against them and what units are being fielded.

I wasn't calling him stupid, but his post? More specifically I was referring to his comment about requiring a "peer reviewed analysis".

How am I supposed to know from your reply that you are continuing a conversation that apparently requires 20 pages of reading?

I dont understand your sarcasm at all and frankly find your post stupid. I was pointing out how silly it was to try and gouge any kind of balance from a single game of 1.500 pts between what was explained as two inexperienced players.

I hope you realize how silly it is to comment on game balance based off 1 game between two players who are doing tons of mistakes and apparently dont really know their own army.

The exact same topic has been discussed a million times and reading through the replies there is nothing new that is being brought to the table. It feels like a dead horse by now.

His warscroll base movement speed is slow, sure, but he can be buffed to run and charge etc. Is it the same threat range as a MawKrusha with MD? Not at all, but thinking he's a snail is just not true. 😛 His true weakness is endless spells imo.

I don't think he nesscecarily means aggressive as in alphastrike lists. It's more like you really have the tools to capitalize on your opponent not screening properly, moving out of position with key units etc. Ironjawz can be super punishing with Mighty Destroyers and the Ironsunz CA. Big Waaagh definitely lends itself towards a lot more bodies (Ardboyz) to withstand not having Smashing and Bashing imo. and then grind it out with super combat effective units.

If you truly want to alphastrike everything turn 1 (I'm not a fan of this playstyle) - Sure I guess. Otherwise I wouldn't value it all that much since we are already rather fast (at least with MK + GGs) and wouldn't want to give the enemy too much move.

According to the Honest Wargamer statsshow, Big Waaagh was in the top 5 of the highest win % with around 52 (from what I remember). Obviously nowhere near Slaanesh, but thought it was interesting that it was higher than Ironjawz. I would think Ironjawz (especially Ironsunz) offer some much more diverse tools against the current meta. Maybe I overestimate the overall impact of being able to charge in opponents charge phase + Smashing and Bashing compared to getting the flat +1/+1 and 6+ FNP save. Mighty Destroyers isn't as big of a deal due to Brutish Kunning and Ironfist batallion imo.

Small “expansion packs” for the armies would be great. Fill in obvious holes and update models. Im surprised Chaos Warriors are getting an update but not Ardboyz.

Sure some armies got Endless spells that dont affect their own models, but you still got stuff like Geminids that can honestly be quite impacting. From my own experience, people are lazy and dont bother much with Endless spells.

Afaik they reroll all failed saves though + bringing models back. Quite the tanky bois.

I really like the +2 move since it really helps when it starts to bracket. Also gives it significantly more threat range with Mighty Destroyers. The 4+ Weird Un' is also great since it lets it stay longer on the board = Means more damage from SFV stacks. I think the other ones are too weak.

But weren't you also going Ironsunz? How are you gonna get 3?

What else are you gonna get from the Hysh realm? If not you might as well go for Aqshy and get Thermalrider's Cloak since it's +4 and fly.

Your lists just seem rather alphastrikey and not built around taking damage back. I have taken some inspiration, and I have had issues with other alpha strike armies personally. I dont mean anything bad about it, because a good offense is a valid tactic, and I often roll over people, but I have trouble vs endless spells that persist entire game and tons of screens or other armies that also alpha since the lists dont really have any proper screens. Thats why Im curious. But yeah, Im really surprised how much damage a buffed unit of charging Spear piggies do. Im certainly gonna run atleast 1 unit of 6, maybe 2, then Ardboyz.

Dont you ever run into issues having put all your eggs in one basket? Arent opponents with quite a few Endless spells gonna be trouble with zero unbinding/dispells? What about plague monks or witches? Wont they just run in and mob your units?

I didn't watch any of those. But did they really lose big time? Theres a difference between showcasing a new army being dumpstered and putting up a fight with one of the current kings.

I have never watched a twitch stream where the new army loses big time. Now it also helps that new armies tend to be quite strong, but it makes no sense to showcase a match where the new army is doing terrible. Not exactly setting themselves up for a good sale.

Who would have guessed that the army performed well in a battle rep specifically made to showcase and create more hype around said new army.

If you apologize and promose to paint 20 Ardboyz, I'll let you off the hook.