The Red King

A human being just told you that their disability makes this hard for them to access and your first thought is to disparage him for talking bad about GW. Look in the mirror because you need to do some serious reflection on what you value and why. Your post makes you come off as any number of things I can't say under forum rules.

Or, and stay with me here, they... won't. They'll either pirate the rules or steer their friends away from a game system that makes predatory business moves. Are people still going to do what they did. Yes, is it going to happen less thus reducing sales and pushing potential players away making the game worse for everyone? Also yes. Tell me any benefit you see to these moves that isn't "GW makes more money" because if we treat that as a gospel fact (which it may or may not be but I'm not here to quibble about the economics) then weight it against the negative impact on the game, I personally dont find it a worthwhile move. Certainly you didn't applaud EA for what they did to Battlefront 2 (that was so egregious it got multiple countries governments involved) and yet GW is heading down the same route and you cheer them on? This is the "horse armor DLC" moment that eventually gave us Elder Scrolls blades and I cant understand anyone who considers that a good thing.

He's... pretty bland. I guess after replacing marauders with 8 other "not" marauder kits. They realized they were not marauders and made a generic box There's nothing wrong with him but it just kinda feels like less armored spire tyrants which where already a weird "warcry chaos warriors"

I never shared my finished dreadlord and fulminators.

I don't consider the fact that other things should be changed as an excuse for why this shouldn't have been. What I apologize for being unclear about in my post when I said the teleport change was "obvious" was that I meant that from a wording standpoint. Yes there are functionally ways to teleport and move but there is almost no teleport that isn't once a game that doesnt include the words "that unit can not move in the movement phase".

Apologies if I touched a nerve but I didn't mean you're wrong to like the army. I was genuinely curious what drew you to the army that doesn't really do tricks (in lore or rules) as a player who likes tricks. As for translocation I agree that it sucks how they sorted it out but I play Khorne and you won't see me trying to put an artifact on skulltaker just because they have consistently left [unique] off his scroll. The rule wasn't clear, but the interpretation some users came to was more complicated than the unclear rule itself and would require an incredibly slanted viewpoint to accept so the fact that the same user then attacks the character of the FAQ team by calling them idiots, is what I find unbecoming. That said GW shouldn't be selling 50 dollar books they have to rewrite 2 weeks later and I commiserate a hundred percent with you there.

Everything on that list is either once a game or requires other things to facilitate it. Nobody else has a teleport that does not specify they can't move afterwards is what I was saying. Except maybe Nagash cause I don't know his rules but he's pretty bad anyways as far as I know and it's a lot easier to balance one unit with the ability rather than one unit that can use the ability on any warscroll they put STORMCAST on. I don't think KO boats should work the way they do if it helps. I'd also like to add that Mega-gargants are overtuned due to some rules interactions so if that's your yardstick you're going to find almost every army is terrible.

I've defended a lot of GW's moves but this is ducking ridiculous!

I mean... that's stormcasts place in lore (winning through a series of pretty good straightforward warscrolls). Kruelboyz, skaven, tzeentch, these are tricky armies that win with tricks. Stormcast show up and challenge you to an a straight up fight and then beat you at it. That's their identity. If you're the kind of person who likes winning through complex interactions then I imagine they aren't really meant to be the army for you flavor wise. They don't use assassins or thieves or poison or anything in lore so it seems suitable to me. I don't plop my skaven down and feel let down when they can only win through massive amounts of bodies or unreliable explosions because that's WHY I play the army. This isnt meant to be a recrimination of your point. I'm just genuinely confused by the seemingly vast disconnect between how you want the army to play and how the army is portrayed in both lore and rules. As to people complaining about the translocation "nerf" that was obviously meant to work like every other teleport or the auto take command trait or worst of all attacking the FAQ team for not agreeing with their incredibly contrived opinion of how a rule was meant to work remind me far too much of space marine players on Dakka saying that everytime xenos get a damage 2 weapon it's some grave insult and injustice that proves GW doesn't care about space marines!

Models fine but it feels like a low blow to the faction of spider worshipping goblins they're already neglecting. Yes the universe is big enough to have 2 different spider factions I guess but it's like when Kragnos came out for the wrong faction and GW was just like "lol you thought we forgot about beasts of chaos but no we just don't like you, get rekt nerds!"

With Archaon it seems you may be better served with heal over curse but I'm also not an Archaon expert.

This is why you need to go with a reputable seller. Sure you'll save money some places but real quality leather is worth it's.... oh Core Set.... nevermind.

I love him but that mold line is egregious! Couldn't your commissioner have just slapped a little anything in there lol.

I think we just have different views of the phrase buzzword. Personal responsibility is a real thing, it's just that the term has been co-opted and an additional meaning has been added to it through connotation. The definition of personal responsibility has not changed in the dictionary but the phrase is often used in a manner that is not actually related to that definition is what I mean.

I know it's already sold but I just want to say I can vouch for the above posters validity. I know hes new so that might be a red flag but I directed him here from my local warhammer group is why it's a brand new profile.

To continue your analogy and tie it back to what I mean it would be like if we were having a conversation about the many MANY psychological tricks that casinos employ to get people to gamble away their money and when we say "it's bad that they do that" the response is "well people should be smarter with their money." Yes. They should, but that's not the discussion. We're discussing the myriad of ways corporations go about trying to make sure they are less smart with their money. Your statement is true but it isn't really apropos to the complaint we're making. The fact that someone shouldn't go for the candy under a box with a stick and string attached to it doesn't in any way exonerate the person who set up the box and pulls the string.

My counter argument is: Personal responsibility is a buzzword refrain used by corporations to make you feel like you're not doing your part to save the planet so you cant complain when the truth is that corporate entities account for far more pollution and environmental damage than we could ever hope to counter by using cloth napkins and to parrot that refrain in any context is playing into the kind of inter-class conflict that corporations love to foster so that we don't look up. The truth is that the debate is pointless. It ultimately boils down to pro and anti corporate individuals which is outside the scope of the kind of conversation we can reasonably carry on here on TGA. This is a catch22 whether you intended it or not. If I wasn't "happy to spend my money" the refrain would change to "well your opinion doesnt really matter because you're not even a player in the community anymore." Or "what are you doing on an AoS board if you don't play AoS?" Or at worst "bye you wont be missed." All sentiments that I have seen expressed here on this site before. This is going to sound overly dramatic but I'm not sure how else to phrase it so please know I do not take the matter as seriously as this is going to sound. I'm not you or anyone else's revolutionary leader. I'm not here to direct you in some uprising against corporate interests or GW and to set the bar for having an opinion at "you must immediately provide me with actionable commands or I won't take you serioisly" is a ridiculous goal post. There is no world in which covering up shady business practices makes the world a better place. There just isn't, so I don't understand people who feel the need to come and defend a billion dollar corporation from our mean and terrible slander (not really because slander would have to be... well untrue.) Caveat emptor, buyer beware, personal responsibility. If you (this stopped being directed at the person I'm quoting almost immediately just so we're clear) want to use any of those as an excuse for allowing anti consumer business practices than you must either encourage the dissemination of information to potential customers or admit that you're just using a buzz word to deflect criticism from a corporation that you feel compelled to defend despite them caring less than 2 cents about your life even if they knew you existed.

@ArkanautDadmiral For me personally, knowledge is the end goal of the discussion. I'm not getting out of the hobby over this but being aware of predatory and anti consumer policies is important for me because it will help me make informed choices about whether or not to stay in the hobby and how I spend my money while I am in. People can't say "consumers should just be smarter with their purchasing" while simultaneously saying "theres no need for us to discuss businesses shady practices". The former requires the latter.

I'd like to think you're right, and don't call me shirley.

Let's say there's 10,000 people on this forum who all agreed to make efforts to make the change you suggested (how we would do that is unclear but if it was as simple as checking a box let's say we all did it.) Then what? We can't change "consumer culture" with our spending habits. We are a blip on the market even if you took every single person on this forum and doubled them. So yes it is in fact easier to lay the blame at the feet of the people who have the power to make a change. That's like saying "china produces a lot of green house gasses but you're using regular plastic straws. Maybe we should all switch to metal straws, no it's easier to demonize major polluters." I just intrinsically lack the ability to understand a thought process that excuses all corporate missteps while simultaneously suggesting that individuals are solely and wholly responsible for not being perfectly concious customers.

I wanna know if unlocking the book unlocks the warscrolls or if they're gonna ask me to buy the book for my army rules AND subscribe for digital scrolls.

My bad I got them mixed up (since theres seemingly little difference between now GW and then GW I think its understandable) But also doing market research now doesn't change the point I was replying to, that we cant really assume that GW knew better when they dumpstered TK and Bret since at the time they proudly did not do market research.

Didn't roundtree famously brag that they didnt do market research?

I can't give an extensive play by play like my daughters of khaine win but tonight I took a pretty convincing win over kruelboyz facing gobsprak, swamp monster, 12 boltboiz, 20 gutrippaz, 2 shamans, and 2 man skewers. Same list as before and I was able to convincingly take down everything but the ranged units though I did lose a lot more this time ending the game something like 22 to 12 with my support heroes, karkadrak, reavers, mongers, and some summoned dogs. To all of his ranged guys and one shaman. It was a bloodbath but playing to the mission worked very well.

Yeah the problem is they'll get there sure, but then what? That's to far away for any of our buffs so best case scenario you've shoved 20 warriors into their line that HOPEFULLY don't immediately die.