The Red King

I tried to qoute just the last bit. Sounds like, and we probably agree, atrocious INTERNAL balance then. So it seems they need work in your estimation as well.

I'm not a tournament player and I dont love or hate LRL but from a layman's perspective this thread looks really familiar. Invariably when something is OP (tzeentch flamers, Petrifex OBR, etc.) You get the same defense "learn to play around it, get better, stop whining" and, again invariably, GW comes in a few months later and nerfs it because as much as "mob balance" is probably a bad idea, usually when a majority of the player base says the same thing is too strong, they're right.

But the arms don't match the kurnothi elves either. (No thatching pattern on the shield and the weapon is inelegant) plus cenitigor have paws rather than hooves (except ghorros) but kurnothi centaur have spike tails rather than horse tails so this guy is both more and less monstrous than a beastman or a kurnothi.

So unless I'm just misremembering the preview picture for this event was the skitarri marshal in the middle. Ossiarch bowman on his right and what turned out to be a blood knight on his left yeah? But none of the bloodknights they showed us are the one in that outline since he's very clearly got his weapon pointing up and to the left and has his hand on it. Yeah just double checked and that silhouette is definitely NOT one of the bloodknights we saw today. Speculation as to why they would have built one and used him as the promo teaser when he wasn't shown? Possible mounted character? Possible alternate builds?

So I bought the daemonbrutes of the ruinstorm from forgeworld to use as my "chaos spawn" whenever I run my beasts of khorne as just beasts of chaos and for their price tag I wanna get as much use out of them as I can. Now without magnetizing the base they are the right size to be daemon princes. Is there any reason you'd ever build a list with 3 princes? Even 2 would make me feel a little better about the cost. Secondarily if anyone has a bloodthirster and a gorgon I'd love to see them side by side. I'm thinking with the 2 ghorgon from my start collecting and all the bits from one bloodthrister kit I could make 2 ghorgon/ 3 bloodthristers. Again just trying to get the most bang for my buck. Anyone have any experience or opinion on that conversion?

That is the best answer I can find in the rules myself. Might have a game monday so I'll let yall know how that terrible 2 drop list works against a not super competitive nighthaunt player.

Someone talk me out of playing this terrible 2 drop list lol. (Mostly just a fun realization) GAVESPAWN 1 desolating beastherd Beastlord w/mutating gnarlblade and unraveling aura GBS w/ all-seeing eye, wild rampage Ungors ×10 Gors ×10 Bullgors w/dual axes ×6 Ungor raiders ×20 1 brass despoilers Doombull w/ headstone shard 3× bestigor ×10 2× Ghorgon 2× Tuskgor chariot Alternatively you can bring a chariot in the desolating beastherd instead of the brass despoilers and then drop the gors and one chariot leaving enough for a 30 strong unit of raiders and a superfluous CP or chaos spawn. This might be better but chariots are also really nice in Brass despoilers for giving out the rr 1's buff of the batallion. Now obviously this list was mostly "can I bring both batallions?" But it doesn't LOOK terrible. I mean you leave the ungors on the headstone with the shaman, All the warherd stuff starts on the table leaving enough to ambush every other brayherd unit as you see fit. With a 2 drop list you can probably control who gets first turn and it might be difficult to shoot at the approaching warherd if your opponent is literally surrounded by gors on all sides. Might be worth trying since it happens to use the same models I need for my Braas Despoolers Khorne list (plus some of the excess gors I accidentally bought...). The herdstone shard combined with dual axes combined with desolating herd combined with propagator of devolution combined with slaughterer's call combined with wild rampage (or any combination of those numerous buffs) could make for a hilariously damaging unit of bullgors that will hopefully make it to the enemy safely considering how target rich the environment should be for your enemy and how you should be able to clog up his movement phase pretty well. It seems like it should do a decent job of controlling the movement phase, messing with target priority, and flustering your opponent. Probably not the list that's going to win the next adepticon I admit but was hoping more experienced players than I could give it a look or even a whirl and let me know. Edit: Bit of a wrinkle, can't seem to find how literally the words "at the same time" should be taken during deployment of a batallion in combination with the brayherd ambush "you may set one unit in ambush per beasts of chaos unit deployed on the table". Basically if I deploy my desolating beastherd as one drop can I place the shaman and then place the beastlord in reserves or are the beastlord and shaman dropping at the exact same time?

Porque no los dos? That's what I do anyway. Makes a nice little adjutant package as well since they can deep strike together.

I briefly enjoyed 50 sisters in a list but it really felt like overcommiting to one game plan and limits your ability to take/hold objectives because you lose so much damage output by moving and they have zero survivability.

Just to make sure I'm not lying to you I mean they have it any turn they havent made a move. So all of your enemies turns (unless you've piled in or something) On your turns it's still only if they havent moved, charged, etc.

Technically in the best case scenario (any 2 of "didn't move this turn/in terrain/SotT spell) + mystic shield, they're actually tougher than PG since they're sitting at a 2+ save rr 1's. In MOST cases they're going to be leda tough than PG but in edge cases against low rend they're more survivable for a good deal less. That said again most of the time PG are tougher since they can also sit in terrain. Guess it depends if you're fighting a lot of rend or not. Remember it's "didnt make a move action THIS TURN" not round so if you don't pile in the enemies turn after they charge you (or your enemy fights before you activate) you'll always have fortress of boughs active.

But Sigmar was still the god sigmar in order to enter Karl Franz body and Sigmar and the Celestant Prime are two different entities. I didn't qoute the person I was responding to but he said he read "... Karl Franz turning into Sigmar." That's not what happened. In the example you're pointing to it's more like Sigmar inhabited Franz. The celestant prime may be Franz but Sigmar is not.

Karl Franz did not become Sigmar. Sigmar was a mortal man named Sigmar back in the world that was and became a god in that setting long before AoS.

My vote is for a Knight Azyros over a Heraldor. The herald is too slow to keep up with your fulminators so he's probably only gonna benefit them once. An Azyros on the other hand benefits every unit in your army with rerolls and is more mobile. Since his reroll is both melee and shooting and not confined to a particular phase that also means he benefits sisters shooting when they get charged which means he's almost always going to grant your powerful shooting unit reroll 1's at least twice making his points up automatically if you consider that rerollong 1's normally takes a CP which is worth 50 points. The Azyros also benefits every one of your other units as well. Heraldor could be worth it on super dense tables with lots of terrain though.

Makes me wonder what can be done with all these... maybe some oversized tile flooring? Might make nice mosaic tiles. Might have to fill the ridges a little.

Who... also vastly outperform them? Like on the charge the slaangor deal less damage than the Tzaangor even if the tzaangor dont get their combat buff AND they cost 40 points more. I get being positive but why are you so insistent that Slaangor not be seen as bad?

What do you want to compare them to? Is there any unit that provides worse points value? For 140 points they deal less damage than a 90 point unit of bleakswords and are less survivable. A 90 point battleline unit. It doesn't matter what you compare Slaangor against, they are a bad unit with bad points cost.

As a BoC dabbler, bullgor aren't even that good (generally you have to find SOME outside buffs to make them good) in a faction that already struggles. So if you cant compare favorably to bullgors you're in trouble.

I assume the Hedonites rules make them much better in their own book but that doesn't mean much for us.

Slaangor have the beasts of chaos keyword but at a glance they are just worse than bestigor and dont benefit from BoC in any way that Bestigor don't. That's just my initial read though.

I'm not genuinely upset, me and a friend who loves undead are getting this box either way. But basically that would be like someone giving me a really nice self cleaning cat litter box and me saying "oh thanks this is amazing but I dont have a cat" when they are actually planning on giving me a cat too but they didnt tell me. I'm basing my reaction on the information of what use this model CURRENTLY has to me.

I mean sure, she could be another Gotrek but with current info I have no use for her other than really wanting the sculpt. As for the oak I knew it existed but I could've sworn in one book or another it got corrupted and wanted to know if anyone could point me towards it.

EDIT: Mostly joking btw.

I'm so mad this has no use in my living cities army T_T That said this hits all the notes I want in my wood elves. The armor and clothes have a classic feel and the antlers are really cool to me though I'm sure some might dislike it. I could've sworn the new oak of ages got corrupted by nurgle though, am I mistaken?

Endrinriggers can be taken as allies following the usual rules (400pt or less in a 2000pt game). They won't benefit from living cities rules as they dont get the living cities rule. Every city (except Har Kuron) can take 1 in 4 of their units from the stormcast army (so that's how he got the dragon). I think I covered everything.