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Yes, armies have different strengths and weaknesses. That’s something of an inbuilt design choice. It’s also something you need to consider when choosing your battle tactic.

I think for 3D printing you either do it yourself, because buying 3D prints will only result in disappointment. The wrong resin used, wrong scale, badly removed supports and it isn't cheaper than GW in the end. So imo. You either print it yourself or stay away from it. Certainly for armybuilding. Atleast that's my advice. 😄

I be more interested to see how the power of the double turn affect scoring and BT. Since taking the double turn mean your not worried about completing your battle tactic for that turn but it seems more beneficial to keep the turn order as is.

The point is that for a FS player everything has to work perfectly to pull it off, while other armies can have more failures to get the BT. Edit: The rest? There are only two Alliance BTs.

Sigh. Are you really believing that every army in an Alliance will be good at everything? Come on. 😉 Even the most die hard fan has to see that some armies in an Alliance will have an easier time to get those BTs than others. Do you really think that FS will have the same mobility as other Order armies when the indexes are released.

Nothing says you have to use it Turn 1. You can save it for later, and we haven’t seen the rest of the tactics yet either. If anything, RTTR is probably easier to score Turn 2/3 for FS after you’ve gotten into position while Idoneth probably want it Turn 1 if Rite of Creeping Mists sticks around.

😄, Lol, For playing the mobility game and getting Reclaim the Realms they are at the bottom of the Order Alliance. Even if you focus your whole armylist on mobility as FS player you will still be outmanouverd by most other Order armies and they don't have to build their list around mobility. But you are right those BT are for every faction equal useable 😄

Congratulations on seeing all the new armies' rules already.

Well said. I think some 3D printing fans are to quick to ignore the difficulties of getting set up with 3D printing, and getting to a stage where you end product is good. I would love to be able to do it at home, but it's just not an option for me in my current situation, and because of my particular psychology I don't think it would be unless I could have a dedicated room for it (so, realistically, it never will be). I've also been disappointed by the couple of 3D prints I bought from Etsy. I don't think this is a sign that 3D printing itself is bad: just that it's too easy for someone to set themselves up seeking on Etsy as a side income without necessarily producing great quality products.

Fyreslayers have easy access to deepstrike, 12" move monsters, and an army-wide movement buff. They're only as immobile as you want them to be.

I don't think this is hard to know. I just looked at the most mobile and the not most mobile faction within the Order Alliance. 😄 . It's not rocket science to know that some armies will have it much easier to succeed in the Reclaim the Realms than others. Or do you expect that when the indexes are released that FS are as mobile as Idoneth/Sylvaneth 😛. My main opponent is Idoneth and his army is fast. I never played against Sylvaneth, but they also seem an army that could easly pull it off.

How do you know?

I am curious how they will balance all factions after their so loved tournament results are pouring in. I don't think they will alter the Warscrolls. I would love this to happen, but they didn't really do it the last 9 years and even with the reset, the warscrolls didn't change much. So I don't expect balancing through warscrolls. So it will probably through points increases/decreases and Alliance BTs.

But HH Thursday was confirmed to be temporarily shut down. DB shorts didn't.

@Saurian, it's the same for AoS. From the moment something new is announced, some patreon/tribe will have a look a like version. This set below costed me 10 dollar. I had those in february. So less than 10 euro. 😄 They are not 100% copies, but we all know what they could resemble. So if yo don't play within a GW store / event, these are perfect. Yes, you are correct 3D printing is for the more experience hobbyist. I started with a Phrozen 4K mini with Phrozen 4K resin. Late december 2023 I bought an Elegoo Mars 4 Max, much cheaper than my phrozen, bigger printplate, faster and perfect quality. I only use Elegoo ABS 2 resin. Already used 6 liter without a single misprint (or atleast one that wasn't my fault when I messed up the supports). I love my 3D printer, for historicals it is a gift from heaven. I.e

No more Heresy Thursdays either. We must be gearing up for something, I can feel it.

Still, anything that moves GW in the direction of fixing balance by fixing stats, traits, enhancements and such is welcome. Instead of "fixing" balance through unthematic point cuts and BT freebies, that bypass the game's soul of the lore coming alive on the tabletop. Im also holding my breath to see what theyre doing with Narrative Play, where BTs are not a concern.

This! Having 2 battle tactics for each Alliance only increase the BT pool for some factions in that Alliance. As I posted in the 4.0 Rules thread "Reclaim the Realms is so much easier to obtain for Idoneth or Sylvaneth than for Fyreslayers. This already makes the available pool of BTs to chose from bigger for those factions compared to others in the same Alliance. Thus already creating an unbalance in the same Alliance.

I have the feeling that it would be another week without DB 6 if we had no short.

Do you like playing with the battle tactics then? Also, other solutions are available. Like hidden agendas, for example. You could draw, say, three at the start of the battle and score additional points for completing two of those. Or you could incorporate additional scoring conditions in the battleplans. We saw these in some of the more narrative battleplans accompanying the campaign books. There are options. Many of them, potentially better, than the battle tactics we have.

If they wanted to keep the BT, then it was better to just keep the universal ones. The problem with Alliance BsT instead of Faction ones is that for some factions its much easier to succeed in the battle tactics than others. I.e I think the BT "Reclaim the Realms" is so much easier to achieve with Idoneth or Sylvaneth than it is for Fyreslayers.

I’m happy about it. Looks like the best middle grounds they can take and keep the system balanced without being overwhelmed by too many choices but not bland either. Meanwhile using Grand Alliances is a great move to keep flavor up and give a narratives to the Alliance system(certainly happy they’re using it for more than an organization site) We’re still looking at things in voids but I honestly think when we see the whole package and how all the Azyrian cogs mesh with eachother AoS4 is gonna be a well oiled machine(that certain rats will want to take-steal) Also loved Honestwargamer’s memes on it.

“What do you mean Katakros and then several bricks of Mortek+Harvesters isn’t a fun list to face?”

The risk of not having them is that you can get into situations where it is too easy to build a list that can just sit on the majority of objectives and not budge the entire game. That’s not possible on every battle plan, but it is a problem for a reasonable number of them.

Agreed. It feels like GW staff is mostly obliged to do things that are coming from the HQ, so official stores often lack that atmosphere. Also, a couple of years ago I remember they also prohibited playing FW models, which felt crazy. So local stores are the best for me.