SySt3m_3rr0r Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Hi Guys, I need your advice for a little 1000pts List for a Store Tournament. My Problem is I can build nice 2k+ Lists, but in the low Pts sector I'm very weak. Heres my List: LeadersLord Celestant (100)- General- Trait: RecklessLord Relictor (80)- Artefact: Spellshield Battleline5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bow- Stormcast Eternals Battleline5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bow- Stormcast Eternals Battleline10 x Vanguard-Hunters (280)- Gryph-Charger Trait: None- Stormcast Eternals Battleline (Lord Aquilor General)Units5 x Paladin Retributors (220)- 2x Starsoul MaceTotal: 1000/1000 The Lord Relictor gets the Bless Weapons Spell and stand near the Judicators to buff them to get better shots with the Bow. Celestant and Paladins are going 2gether to kill HVT's Judicators sitting on Mission points and shoot some bad guys. Vanguard Hunters outflanking the enemy and running for the enemy mission point. Do you guys have any ideas what I could change? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I had a little tourney a few weeks ago http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/7089-1k-tourney-sc-list-feedback/ Went okay, if I knew then what I knew now I'd have done rather well. It was also pre-new tome so things are interestingly different. In your list I think the main issue is "Celestant and Paladins are going 2gether to kill HVT's" We've got scions of the storm now but you need them to both come down or not come down (if no nice target is reachable early turns) the same turn. Once down, repositioning will be tough but maybe that won't be a big deal. You'll also not get furious retribution the turn the LC comes down as they come down the movement phase. In general I feel your 'big gun' may be hit or miss. I like the battleline though and a relictor is a must include these days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlDirtyCosta Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Hi Guys, I need your advice for a little 1000pts List for a Store Tournament. My Problem is I can build nice 2k+ Lists, but in the low Pts sector I'm very weak. Heres my List: LeadersLord Celestant (100)- General- Trait: RecklessLord Relictor (80)- Artefact: Spellshield Battleline5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bow- Stormcast Eternals Battleline5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bow- Stormcast Eternals Battleline10 x Vanguard-Hunters (280)- Gryph-Charger Trait: None- Stormcast Eternals Battleline (Lord Aquilor General)Units5 x Paladin Retributors (220)- 2x Starsoul MaceTotal: 1000/1000 The Lord Relictor gets the Bless Weapons Spell and stand near the Judicators to buff them to get better shots with the Bow. Celestant and Paladins are going 2gether to kill HVT's Judicators sitting on Mission points and shoot some bad guys. Vanguard Hunters outflanking the enemy and running for the enemy mission point. Do you guys have any ideas what I could change? Thank you I think it should be ok. What my buddy Tur said though. I think you will be playing more of a defensive game with your rets. I think its alot based of your play style also. Im not saying its better but, objectives can be tough to get in a 1k game. You exploit this by taking a Lord Aquilor his command ability to remove him and the hunters of the board could be a good combo. Let the Judicators pelt them from a distance and just run around and grab objectives. Also, that would make your hunters battleline and you could combine your judicators so blessed weapons would hit 10 judicators instead of 5 at a time.Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SySt3m_3rr0r Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 hour ago, OlDirtyCosta said: I think it should be ok. What my buddy Tur said though. I think you will be playing more of a defensive game with your rets. I think its alot based of your play style also. Im not saying its better but, objectives can be tough to get in a 1k game. You exploit this by taking a Lord Aquilor his command ability to remove him and the hunters of the board could be a good combo. Let the Judicators pelt them from a distance and just run around and grab objectives. Also, that would make your hunters battleline and you could combine your judicators so blessed weapons would hit 10 judicators instead of 5 at a time. Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk Lord Aquilar would be nice but I havent got one =). Took the Miniatures I've got 4 now and playing a testgame 2 morrow. The reason why I split up Judicators is 1 more special bow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SySt3m_3rr0r Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 should I change the Paladins with something else? I'm not so happy with a Paladin 5 man squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight-Errant Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 The special bow is 1 per 5 models. So 10 models, 2 shockbolt bows. 1 for prime that hit at 2+ and 1 for a judicator (not prime) that hits on 3+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SySt3m_3rr0r Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Knight-Errant said: The special bow is 1 per 5 models. So 10 models, 2 shockbolt bows. 1 for prime that hit at 2+ and 1 for a judicator (not prime) that hits on 3+ mhm...have to test this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SySt3m_3rr0r Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 This is the 2nd List I've got in my mind LeadersLord Aquilor (200)- General- Trait: Reckless- Gryph-Charger Trait: Keen-clawedLord Relictor (80)- Artefact: Spellshield Battleline10 x Judicators (320)- Skybolt Bows- 2x Shockbolt Bow- Stormcast Eternals Battleline5 x Vanguard-Hunters (140)- Stormcast Eternals Battleline (Lord Aquilor General)Units3 x Vanguard-Palladors (220)Total: 960/1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 1 hour ago, SySt3m_3rr0r said: This is the 2nd List I've got in my mind LeadersLord Aquilor (200)- General- Trait: Reckless- Gryph-Charger Trait: Keen-clawedLord Relictor (80)- Artefact: Spellshield Battleline10 x Judicators (320)- Skybolt Bows- 2x Shockbolt Bow- Stormcast Eternals Battleline5 x Vanguard-Hunters (140)- Stormcast Eternals Battleline (Lord Aquilor General)Units3 x Vanguard-Palladors (220)Total: 960/1000 This one is nicely themed. It has a bit less punch but if you played well you'd be outmaneuvering most enemy elite units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SySt3m_3rr0r Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, Turragor said: This one is nicely themed. It has a bit less punch but if you played well you'd be outmaneuvering most enemy elite units. Dont know how to get more DPS in 1k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I guess your hammer is the juds with blessed weapons in this list. So don't let them die! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SySt3m_3rr0r Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Turragor said: I guess your hammer is the juds with blessed weapons in this list. So don't let them die! and the Vanguard Guys on Gryph Charger with Boss. But what would you play on 1k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, SySt3m_3rr0r said: and the Vanguard Guys on Gryph Charger with Boss. But what would you play on 1k? Right now with all the new stuff I would try it out! If I don't try I won't know. I'd end up stuck with the same old list I had I might see if one of the new smaller battalions works under 1k. The vanguard justicar conclave and vanguard angelos conclave might work: Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeaders Lord Aquilor (200)- Gryph-Charger Trait: NoneBattleline 5 x Vanguard-Hunters (140)- Gryph-Charger Trait: None- Stormcast Eternals Battleline (Lord Aquilor General) 5 x Vanguard-Hunters (140)- Gryph-Charger Trait: None- Stormcast Eternals Battleline (Lord Aquilor General) 5 x Vanguard-Hunters (140)- Gryph-Charger Trait: None- Stormcast Eternals Battleline (Lord Aquilor General)Units 3 x Vanguard-Palladors (220) 3 x Aetherwings (60)Battalions Vanguard Angelos Conclave (100)Total: 1000/2000 Or Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeaders Lord Relictor (80)Battleline 5 x Liberators (100)- Warhammers 5 x Liberators (100)- WarhammersUnits 3 x Aetherwings (60) 3 x Aetherwings (60) 3 x Aetherwings (60) 3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (160) 3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (160) 3 x Vanguard-Raptors with Hurricane Crossbows (160)Battalions Vanguard Justicar Conclave (60)Total: 1000/2000 Hmm I don't think the justicar conclave works with just hurricane. Or I mean, you'll be on a smaller board... Could be worth a shot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 This might be a bit too cheesy at 1k haha Allegiance: Stormcast EternalsLeaders Knight Azyros (80)- Mystic Light: NoneBattleline 10 x Liberators (200)- Warhammers 5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- Stormcast Eternals BattlelineUnits 3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (80) 3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (80) 3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (80) 3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (80)Battalions Vanguard Wing (100) Tempest Lords Harbinger Chamber (140)Total: 1000/2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I'm so building that last list lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chord Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 16 hours ago, SySt3m_3rr0r said: The Lord Relictor gets the Bless Weapons Spell and stand near the Judicators to buff them to get better shots with the Bow. Celestant and Paladins are going 2gether to kill HVT's Judicators sitting on Mission points and shoot some bad guys. Vanguard Hunters outflanking the enemy and running for the enemy mission point. Do you guys have any ideas what I could change? Thank you I would give the Lord Relicator Lightning chariot to improve your armies mobility. Additionally place spellshield on your lord celestant as he is more likely to be closer to the wizards in the opposing army. If allowed and you have no wizards in your opposing army swap for an artifact to help keep him alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SySt3m_3rr0r Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 Tested the lists now against Ironjaws. I finally got eaten...the Judicators have done nothing or at least nothing they killed 2 ardboys a round and got eaten by 5 Brutes. The 10 Liberators were awesome they stood 4 rounds against 10 Ardboys and 5 Brutes. Then they got eaten by 5 Brutes 3 Ardboys and a Warchanter. The 5 Paladins have done nothing they had to hold the mission point. Relictor buffed the Judicators...but the blessed weapons did nothing on the Judis. I dont understand why Judicators are so hyped. I won't do any dmg with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, SySt3m_3rr0r said: Tested the lists now against Ironjaws. I finally got eaten...the Judicators have done nothing or at least nothing they killed 2 ardboys a round and got eaten by 5 Brutes. The 10 Liberators were awesome they stood 4 rounds against 10 Ardboys and 5 Brutes. Then they got eaten by 5 Brutes 3 Ardboys and a Warchanter. The 5 Paladins have done nothing they had to hold the mission point. Relictor buffed the Judicators...but the blessed weapons did nothing on the Judis. I dont understand why Judicators are so hyped. I won't do any dmg with them. Ironjawz move fast so that's not a good match up for slow ranged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlDirtyCosta Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Tested the lists now against Ironjaws. I finally got eaten...the Judicators have done nothing or at least nothing they killed 2 ardboys a round and got eaten by 5 Brutes. The 10 Liberators were awesome they stood 4 rounds against 10 Ardboys and 5 Brutes. Then they got eaten by 5 Brutes 3 Ardboys and a Warchanter. The 5 Paladins have done nothing they had to hold the mission point. Relictor buffed the Judicators...but the blessed weapons did nothing on the Judis.[emoji23] I dont understand why Judicators are so hyped. I won't do any dmg with them. What did your list end up being? Also, at lower point values I think Iron Jawz are one of the best armies. Im guessing his list was something like 1 unit of ard boys 2 units of brutes a megaboss and a warchanter iron fist and another unit of something to fill it in, this is usually to taste. This gives them a 2d6 move in the hero phase plus their normal move and charge. It turns them into a really fast army. Footslogging they are far superior to stormcast. Stormcast also suffer from expensive formations that are hard to get in at 1k. The brutes have a tough time with battle shock you need to try to exploit that. Warchanter needs to go first, a smart player will make that difficult. Without actual seeing how the game played out its hard to give tips. Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SySt3m_3rr0r Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 27 minutes ago, OlDirtyCosta said: What did your list end up being? Also, at lower point values I think Iron Jawz are one of the best armies. Im guessing his list was something like 1 unit of ard boys 2 units of brutes a megaboss and a warchanter iron fist and another unit of something to fill it in, this is usually to taste. This gives them a 2d6 move in the hero phase plus their normal move and charge. It turns them into a really fast army. Footslogging they are far superior to stormcast. Stormcast also suffer from expensive formations that are hard to get in at 1k. The brutes have a tough time with battle shock you need to try to exploit that. Warchanter needs to go first, a smart player will make that difficult. Without actual seeing how the game played out its hard to give tips. Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk yuuuuup...this was his list and Ironjaws suck My List: LeadersLord Celestant (100)- General- Trait: RecklessLord Relictor (80)- Artefact: Spellshield Battleline5 x Judicators (160)- Skybolt Bows- 1x Shockbolt Bow- Stormcast Eternals Battleline10 x Liberators (200) - Warhammer & Shields - 2 GrandhammersUnits10 x Paladin Retributors (440)- 4x Starsoul Mace Thats the big Problem I think SC are very good at 2k+ put lowpts they are weak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Yeah, low points games are hard for us. I'm still fiddling with my 1000 point lists with the new book. Hammerstrike feels good, but expensive. Our shooting is also expensive and really requires a good frontline to work well, so we end up in a really difficult position when we're strapped for points. The LCoD is really good at 1000 though, and I would bet the Aquilor is as well. Just, as long as you don't go against double Thundertusks, but that's another story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goddin Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Why not: LCoD 220 General, Strife Ender, Pack Hunter, Staunch Defender Fulminators 240 LCoD 220 Judicators (bows) 160 Judicators (bows) 160 Double up on that sweet LCoD action, get some extra attacks on the general's dracoth, everything shoots, and 4 dracoths on a charge has to scare the **** out of your opponent. Most of the army has a 3+ save and 2+ after the turn you charge. Pretty good movement as well, and 2 heroes when you need them for objectives. Anyone tried something like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kozokus Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Hope you don't meet the feared double Thundertusk. Why not something like this : 1 Celestant, Staunch defender 1 Castellan, -1bravery light 1 Relictor 5 JudicatorX2 5 Protector 5 Décimators Plenty of people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kozokus Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 On 22/02/2017 at 7:35 PM, Requizen said: Hammerstrike feels good, but expensive I am very reluctant to spend 120 point of my 1000 into a formation that brings nothing "fleshy" to the ground. better have another hero or 5 libérators. On 22/02/2017 at 7:35 PM, Requizen said: as you don't go against double Thundertusks, but that's another story... I wonder what could beat 2Xthundertusk + 2X20goblins + shammy at 1000 ...... On 22/02/2017 at 7:35 PM, Requizen said: I'm still fiddling with my 1000 point lists with the new book. Struggling to make anything satisfying... maybe include that Celestant Prime....ho ****** if anything could be as easy that to build an ironjaw list! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlDirtyCosta Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I played this list 3 times over the weekend. Wasn't a tournament but, played against 3 different people. Allegiance: OrderLeadersLord Relictor (80)- Prayer: Bless WeaponsLord Celestant (100)- General- Trait: Staunch Defender - Stormcast Eternals- Artefact: Obsidian Amulet Battleline10 x Judicators (320)- Skybolt Bows- Stormcast Eternals Battleline10 x Liberators (200)- WarhammersUnits3 x Prosecutors with Stormcall Javelins (80)5 x Paladin Retributors (220)Total: 1000/2000 Lost vs DoT, Won vs Seraphon and Iron Jawz. The Retributors were working for me because, the Judicators were forcing my opponent to deal with them and the Retributors would counter charge. The DoT was my first game and I miss played my Retributors by lightning striking them too far away and they basically did nothing the whole game lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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