Barimbino Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 So far I've been looking but can't find a unit that subtracts from units bravery. Is there such a unit in the Death alliance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 We've all been looking for it. It'll be a Terrorgheist's little buddy. I don't think it exists. Yet. Perhaps the Spoopy Skeletons will have one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barimbino Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 I was looking at it for the Tomb Banshee wail. Two TB on a decent roll with a negative to bravery could pop a squad, not to mention extra hurt on the ensuing battleshock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Mournghoul? (SP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barimbino Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 3 hours ago, MarkyMark said: Mournghoul? (SP) Nope, I thought he had a bravery bomb also but re-reading the war scroll a unit subtracts from their hot rolls based on their bravery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokeyben Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Screaming skull catapult if you are ok with compendiums. I've used that with a summoned Tomb Banshee to snipe characters on a first turn with great effect. I don't see them bringing anything else out for death that can modify bravery though. The fact that they nerfed the Terrorgheist seems to support this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 8 minutes ago, Stokeyben said: I don't see them bringing anything else out for death that can modify bravery though. The fact that they nerfed the Terrorgheist seems to support this. QFT. It makes some of our stuff kind of crappy against high Bravery enemies, like Daemons. But honestly, terrorgheists and banshees are still pretty scary. If there was some way we could get a unit that could reduce Bravery, but only the Bravery of high-Bravery enemies, it would be interesting, but so corner case that it would 1) suck and 2) be complicated to write rules for, which is counter to Age of Sigmar's rules design aesthetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokeyben Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 8 minutes ago, ElectricPaladin said: QFT. It makes some of our stuff kind of crappy against high Bravery enemies, like Daemons. But honestly, terrorgheists and banshees are still pretty scary. If there was some way we could get a unit that could reduce Bravery, but only the Bravery of high-Bravery enemies, it would be interesting, but so corner case that it would 1) suck and 2) be complicated to write rules for, which is counter to Age of Sigmar's rules design aesthetic. I think something like Neferatas bubble but it being -1 to bravery could work quite well. Whether that is as a spell or command ability it doesn't matter too much. That way we could reduce higher bravery units down a bit, and it wouldn't greatly affect lower bravery units as it is just potentially one more wound. Hardly anything compared to some units from other alliances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oppenheimer Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 The screaming skull catapult's attack is nice because it reduces bravery of the unit being attacked, not damaged and you don't need need of sight and it has long range. So basically you just point at a unit and it's bravery is decreased by two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Alec Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I think it's a point that we can't do it. Since we have so many damaging abilities tied to Bravery, being able to reduce it is essentially free damage. Or, we'll see it whenever Nighhaunt gets a battletome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangermouse425 Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 On 08/10/2016 at 7:52 AM, Darth Alec said: I think it's a point that we can't do it. Since we have so many damaging abilities tied to Bravery, being able to reduce it is essentially free damage. Or, we'll see it whenever Nighhaunt gets a battletome. To have more than one unit available to Death to decrease Bravery would be pretty powerful, so this makes sense. Deliberate design decision to avoid creating another perfect storm of combos. Looking forward to a Nighthaunt Battletome if there are plans for one. Would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Alec Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I wouldn't say its very deliberate, but maybe a little. Imagine having multiple bravery-reducing units. You could push enemies down to bravery 1, or even negative bravery. Throw in a Terrorgheist/Banshee and battleshock, and you've got easy, obvious combos that are very powerful. It feels like reducing bravery was a thing they tried to avoid in general, prefering to do straight up damage instead. I think a Nighthaunt battletome is pretty obviously going to be a thing. They've got some great kits. The only thing that's really lacking is a double-kit or two and maybe another character. Then they'd be a pretty solid faction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Quote I wouldn't say its very deliberate, but maybe a little. Imagine having multiple bravery-reducing units. You could push enemies down to bravery 1, or even negative bravery. Throw in a Terrorgheist/Banshee and battleshock, and you've got easy, obvious combos that are very powerful. It feels like reducing bravery was a thing they tried to avoid in general, prefering to do straight up damage instead. No - it's just that they don't do Death any favours. There was a Chaos list of all the units that debuff bravery (e.g. Khorgoraths, Knights, etc.) Rufion Symes came up with it. That's why it's called the Bravery One Podcast I believe. I think Order can get -4 from the Prime and Deceimators alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal4m4nd3r Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 Has there been a precedent set where they change or amend warscrolls? Since a foundation is set for -to bravery with banshees and the TG.. I would assume they would flesh out this gimmick a bit more whenever they get around to working on death a bit more. Maybe they add some warscroll battalions that -bravery where banshees or TG are taken .. Or change warscrolls all together but I'm not sure if that is done or has been done in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokeyben Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 25 minutes ago, sal4m4nd3r said: Has there been a precedent set where they change or amend warscrolls? Since a foundation is set for -to bravery with banshees and the TG.. I would assume they would flesh out this gimmick a bit more whenever they get around to working on death a bit more. Maybe they add some warscroll battalions that -bravery where banshees or TG are taken .. Or change warscrolls all together but I'm not sure if that is done or has been done in the past. I don't think a precedent has been set, but they did change the Terrogheist warscroll when they release Flesh Eater Courts. So take from that what you will. (I know that you can still take the old TG, but in matched play you have to take the FEC version.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 41 minutes ago, sal4m4nd3r said: Has there been a precedent set where they change or amend warscrolls? Since a foundation is set for -to bravery with banshees and the TG.. I would assume they would flesh out this gimmick a bit more whenever they get around to working on death a bit more. Maybe they add some warscroll battalions that -bravery where banshees or TG are taken .. Or change warscrolls all together but I'm not sure if that is done or has been done in the past. The intention seems to be that these will be "living rules" and will change as GW sees the need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deynon Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Stokeyben said: I don't think a precedent has been set, but they did change the Terrogheist warscroll when they release Flesh Eater Courts. So take from that what you will. (I know that you can still take the old TG, but in matched play you have to take the FEC version.) You can choose the version the rules in the GA:D don't stop to be avalaible cause they have a different version in a successive battletome, so also by the FAQ that let you choose, so you can choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokeyben Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 36 minutes ago, deynon said: You can choose the version the rules in the GA:D don't stop to be avalaible cause they have a different version in a successive battletome, so also by the FAQ that let you choose, so you can choose. Afaik the original version doesn't have points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deynon Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Stokeyben said: Afaik the original version doesn't have points? Why shouldn't have points? it's called Terrorgheist. And the FlashEater courts definition in which is under named can't count otherway the compendium units could not be used cause they are out of the keywords presented in the different units (Vlad and so on) so they are prized and they have rules but they conflict by itself. You simply choice. If you deploy you specify in the list which version you are using. If you summonyou can summon only the beast version cuase it's the only one that has the rules to be summoned. Not complicated and it requires the player to do only what it should be supposed to do from the beginnig: be clear in the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 There was a passage somewhere which said that if an updated warscroll came out it replaced the older one. So, the newer unsummonable TG is the newest and the now standard one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deynon Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 2 hours ago, Arkiham said: There was a passage somewhere which said that if an updated warscroll came out it replaced the older one. So, the newer unsummonable TG is the newest and the now standard one There is the FAQ that say you can choose, so till it's still avalaible you can...choose^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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