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At 1000 points, arkhan seems also viable: arkhan (360?) immortis (200) guard 10 (130) guard 10 (130) riders 5 (180) / or preferably another hero + ES or arkhan (360?) kavalos (200) guard 10 (130) guard 10 (130) riders 5 (180)

is that specific to leedbelchers or all shooting units can do so? (I'm thinking about skaven, CoS, SCE...)

I have a doubt: can a unit shoot an enemy unit already in fight (engaged in melee)?

After 2 years of hard waiting, only 1 day to the (big?) reveal

what do you mean by upgrade? can the Hekatos be the one with the best weapon (the upgrade?) ?

Bottom of the barrel yes, only because of the lack of battletome since AoS release. TBH, with the new battletome plus such a range of nice miniatures (well, yes the warriors are old but I like them) plus the varanguard plus the most expensive kit of GW with Archaon plus the potential of all chaos alignment/marks plus probably ally/mix with so many chaos miniatures/armies, they simply CAN'T remain in the bottom of the meta anymore. If the soup is "à la city of sigmar", I think we'll have a great tome and a nice army. Add to this all the things that they can do with the new warcry bands and you have a (potential) superb release. New SC! and new minis are just a bonus. Let me play honorably StD, GW!!!

I can't find the slaugtermaster warscroll. Which is its miniature btw?

nice looking. What (contrast) colors did you use?

I was looking to wizards: which is best: butcher or firebelly? I don't see significant difference. What am I missing? PS: in an ogor army, I think that 1 wizard is enough, what do you think? If only one, which one?

This party doesn't give justice to those army. OBR have several mechanisms that make them resilient: +X save ,rerolls etc... and the revive/health. Same for the Offensive part. Add to this that this party was strategically a bit dumb on the OBR side. The ogor side is more "ready out of the box" than the OBR. The battle of GW yesterday on their twitch channel was closer to the full potential of the OBR army, especially facing a top tier army Slanesh with several keepers of secrets...

I need to paint some ogors. I'm looking for speed painting them. Anyone tried the contrast paints on them?

What ? New knights? Where does it come from? You mean new knights as in "knights that replace the one that we love in SC! boxes and iconic knights"? Or reboxing packaging varanguards and call them new knights? Please, tell us more!

I can't find a tuto to speed paint the ogors, especially with the contrast paints. Any idea?

Thanks @l1censetochill I think that I'll go the cool road: maybe an additional dracoline just for the pleasure of cavalry , but I'll focus on the 2 main units that I don't have and look cool: tauralon & Vanguard-Raptors. None of them in those boxes.

The list will lack of dicipline points I think. I'd be safier to get another support hero. And for my personal taste, I'd add a fast harasment unit to grab objectives or help where needed (ex: add a rider unit in place of a guard unit). Just my 2c.

I already have one unit of dracoline. Is it interesting to have 2 more? same question for the rest of the content of the SCE (I have some units of each). Are they good in semi competitive competitive lists?

Overall, disapointing battleforces for me. Maybe I'll think about the skaven one, maybe. But If I want a 3rd vermilord, I'm not perticularly fond of the rest. (already have a SC + many clanrats..)

I'm actually thinking about the gloomspite one: what do you think about this one, taking 2 to strat a gloomspite army from scratch?

I like the skaven one but how come they put an entire skaven SC! into a battleforce??? This is the disapointing part of the deal.

The look of immortis is great but I think that the main plus of the immortis is their bodyguard skill.Morghast are more an offensive free electron. Immortis are more an accompagnator of hero.

What do you guys think about the new scenery kits vs the existing ones?

We don't buy/play for lilly soldiers but for big monsta!😜

I'm waiting the end of the week to see if I am delivered of the ordered feast of bones. Then, I'll complete the ogors with SC!. According to what we know and your experience, how many big kits (stonehorn/thunderstuck with all head magnetized) do we need to be ok to play almost all buids? 2, 3 or 4? My guess is 3 but I don't know this army.

So, you mean that with 2 or more kits, you are ready to get everything you need?

A new SC! (but I doubt there is new minis in it), a new battletome (hopefully with everchoosen in it ) , new endless spells and...that's it. That is what the leaks gave us few days ago. Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger. I know, this is kind of bad news. I, as most of you - most of us -, expected a bit of novelty, some new units or o new general, preferably mounted on a monster (dragon? vyvern? whatever). I expected also a ranged unit like a big canon. But now, I am realistic: we have a tome, at last. ES is a nice bonus. A SC! , dunno if I need it. I already have 2 battleforces and a previous SC. (plus many chaos things like daemons princes etc...) Now, my next target: archaon and the varanguards: too bad those fantastic riders are so expensive.