ArkanautDadmiral

I get that, I’m talking about using the rules for thermal rider cloak but converting a balloon instead of a magic cape

My new plan is Khemist with Balloon (Thermal Rider Cloak)... They missed a trick by not making a Balloon an Artefact actually.

My main issue at the moment is I just can’t see a reason to take Skywardens unless going Barak Zon. And without wanting to magnetise, or buy enough more balloons to make as riggers if I want to play a different port it seems silly to lock myself into it. It’s a shame because I prefer the look and idea of Skywardens but they just don’t beat Riggers for combat in either department without Zon. I feel like if the pistol ranges were switched then everything makes sense and there’s a real choice to be had, even outside of Zon. Unless I’m missing something?

I’ve got to say Ship capacity irks me a bit. With Hitchers they’ve left room for the Endrinmaster by saying 7. But didn’t fancy it with Frigates and core battleline for some reason.

I just cannot decide what lists I want to build towards haha. Prior to the book I had no interest in Thryng, then I thought maybe Thryng without allied Duardin. Now I’m thinking Hammerers and a warden king look pretty cool. Maybe bridge party popper to deliver them somewhere too. Though at that point could just go with Fyreslayers.

I might be missing something but how are you at 3 drops with this list? Only the Ironclad, Gunhaulers and Thunderers are in the battalion. Everything else counts as separate deployments even if you’re putting it in a boat do they not?

Yeah I’ve been thinking recent that’s the way I’ll need to go. There’s a lot of other pieces I need before I get to the DP. Hopefully by that point I’ll be confident in doing a decent conversion.

These are what I wanted to make my Khorne daemon prince from but I haven’t found any singles on any third party sites

There’s a Flayed tribe in the Khorne Battletome too. Not sure if it’s more than just a paint scheme that’s in there though.

Thanks very much for this! Changing battalion is no problem, i could drop Karanak for a Letter hero because i don't have him as yet. Valkia i liked the look of for her Command ability more than anything but it sounds like all the CP should be being spent elsewhere. Also thinking of doing something drastic and selling / returning the SC's i have and going mostly mortals instead. But i really like the idea of running a couple of Skull Cannons. Whats the consensus on the Bloodmad Warband incidentally?

Yes! Those guys look great, what list are you going to run them in?

I need a bit of help completing a list if any of you ladies and gents would help. The core is what i own, 2x SC Daemons boxes. Haven't settled on a Slaughterhost yet, or decided who i want to be General and what artefact load-out to go. I originally wanted to put Valkyia in there, but went with Karanak instead because i was worried about the lack of Locus being handed out. Another Priest and a couple of Judgements (or Judgement and extra command point)? Another Priest and bump the Letters to 30? A different hero, Secreator or Valkyia still? Drop Karanak for another Thirster (my wallet would prefer not to though, but multiple thirsters looks the way to go). Some Wrathmongers? A second DP? How do people prefer to run the Daemon Prince? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

So, can a Khemist with Party Popper put himself on a Dais Arcanum to give himself 12" move, Fly and +1 to save? If so he can keep up with everything and not worry about the garrison anti-synergies then. Also, if he's Barak Nar and thus gets a dispel roll, does he get an additional one for being on the Arcanum? It looks perfect legal to do for me, at the moment at least. I love this idea so much. Also, modelling opportunity to turn it into a hoverboard instead. EDIT: As far as i can see the only time this would really be useful is if he follows some Riggers / Wardens. Unless there's an ability somewhere that lets Thunderers disembark from a vessel after a move, but i can't see one.

Thryng but not Thryng LEADERS Endrinmaster with Dirigible Suit (220) - General - Command Trait : Supremely Stubborn Aetheric Navigator (100) - Artefact : Voidstone Orb Aetheric Navigator (100) UNITS 12 x Endrinriggers (400) 12 x Endrinriggers (400) 10 x Arkanaut Company (90) BEHEMOTHS Arkanaut Ironclad (510) BATTALIONS Iron Sky Command (130) 1950 Extra command point Generals artefact should be Grudgehammer but it doesn't show on scroll builder for some reason. One drop. Very stupid, maybe fun? Haha.

Still putting lists together. My Zon lists keep changing, At the moment, i'm wondering whether it's more beneficial to go Admiral with Rune of Mark to try an get some extra Aether gold, or to go Navigator for some spell protection. Then i put together a list completely different, using Endrinriggers instead of Skywardens despite my aforementioned preference for Wardens for fluff and aesthetic reasons and think i've got something with much more utility overall with an Urbaz list. Zon-miral List: Light on bodies, i could drop Thunders to 5, add 10 Arkanauts (allows me to group the 2x 3 wardens into another block of 6) And either go bouyacy aid on Ironclad, or turn that into 2 Frigates instead. Which would give me enough points to add a Khemist too, but goes from 3 drops to 6! Also do we think 2 Frigates and thus 2 sets of shares are a better go than one ironclad with 1 share anyway? Zon-igator list: Some spell protection here at the cost of generating some shares for the Wardens. Again could split the Frigates, but one would be over-encumbered anyway with the Navigator (i could stick him in a Gunhauler though) Barak Urbaz List: The more i look at this list the more i realise its pretty bad, very low wounds. A Navigator could be dropped for a Khemist (with party popper too potentially). Or one could be dropped for another Gunhauler, in which case it would have to be escort wing instead which might not be so bad considering Urbaz reroll battleshock anyway and don't get the Aether gold debuff? It would go from a 3 drop list to 5 which isn't so bad . If Wardens Pistols were 12" like the rivet guns then my mind would be made up already. Why the hell is a Gun designed to staple bits of metal together a longer range and better fire rate than a pistol designed for battle haha. So, i actually still have no idea what i'm doing haha. Magnetizing the riggers is probably a bit too much work right?

My first list, just for fun mostly and because i'll only really need another SC box to get there. Sky Port: Barak Zon LEADERS Endrinmaster with Dirigible Suit (220) - General - Command Trait : Wealthy - Artefact : Phosphorite Bomblets Arkanaut Admiral (140) - Artefact : Rune of Mark UNITS 6 x Skywardens (200) - 1 x Skyhooks 3 x Skywardens (100) - 1 x Aethermatic Volley Guns - 1 x Skyhooks - 1 x Drill Launcher 3 x Skywardens (100) - 1 x Aethermatic Volley Guns - 1 x Skyhooks - 1 x Drill Launcher 1 x Grundstok Gunhauler (150) - Main Gun : Sky Cannon - Great Endrinworks : Zonbarcorp 'Debtsettler' Spar Torpedo 1 x Grundstok Gunhauler (150) - Main Gun : Sky Cannon 10 x Grundstok Thunderers (240) BEHEMOTHS Arkanaut Ironclad (510) - Main Gun : Great Sky Cannon - Great Endrinworks : The Last Word BATTALIONS Grundstok Escort Wing (140) Extra Command Point (50) TOTAL 2000 POINTS No idea how good it would be, i did think of going Frigate (or 2) instead of Ironclad and going all in on more Wardens to take advantage of the Skyport and Battalion abilities... but if movies have taught me anything, you always need a bigger boat. I did originally go single Frigate, some Arkanauts and a Khemist with Spell in a bottle. I might even use Khemist with the party popper instead of the admiral sometimes. It gave me a lot more bodies too. I know people like Riggers instead of Wardens mostly, but getting the bonuses on charge, and the focus fire abilities just looked like a no brainer to me. Also, as much as i like Riggers as a concept, it irks me that they tend to be better fighters than the actual soldiers haha. Also, if Rigger saws are so good, why aren't KO sticking them on all their weapons??? Surely they could swap the pike for a pole with a saw on the end, they can make boats fly after all.

Thanks @Neffelo and @AverageBoss I think I’d probably lean more towards Tzaangors/mortal if I did decide to build up the Tzeentch side. I think I need to go take a look at the book to make a choice on selling or not

Hi guys I picked up an Aether War box for the KO but I’m weighing up whether or not to build a Tzeentch force too. it would bring me to 3 armies along side KO and BoK, so three nice and distinctive individual styles. The magister on disk doesn’t seem to be getting any love. Is he just considered garbage or has anyone any fun ideas for him? A full flying list with the Aether war units, flamers, heroes on disks could be fun? Tzeentch have such cool models I’m feeling hard pressed to sell that side. On the other hand being a beginner, collecting 3 armies is a bit daunting . To be fair though I’ve currently got more DoT kits than Khorne!

Has anyone put together any Bloodcrusher lists since the price drop?

No not a crime. But generally trying to get someone to see the positive side of something is a good thing. Trying to bring people into a negative atmosphere isn’t healthy. We’ve already had one guy go from ‘GW hates me’ to ‘We’re so buffed’ to ‘I quit the hobby’ in the space of a day. I’m sorry KO aren’t fulfilling your needs though. Like I say, maybe in the summer things will be better for you.

To be fair I agree with his point. It’s all compounded by a few irrationally negative players across these forums at the moment though. Also, you’ve been spelling unit names wrong constantly. At first I thought they were typos but they’ve been consistent. Is English your second language? Are they called Gunhowlers, Ironclade’s or Alchemists in your native language? Fair dos if so, but if not, why? Maybe there’s a good reason for it. But If someone is going to be looking out for a constructive, knowledgeable voice on here, I think the guy who doesn’t spell his own units names wrong while complaining probably isn’t the one they’re going to listen to. This new book has fixed so many glaring issues, I.e the need to convert all those Skyhooks which was a huge barrier to entry to the army. More battle line options. Great fluffy and thematic ideas and rules. Pretty much every unit is useful. But you’re sat here complaining about points before playing a game. Hell, points can change twice a year. You may only have to wait until July to see some adjustments anyway, is it really that catastrophic? At least have some fun with the new book until then. Personally I don’t want to table my opponents army turn one. I want to know I’ve played a game. So far from the reviews, the book looks fun, I don’t know why anyone would ask for more than that.

Thanks pal, I’ll go that route.

I’m getting a little worried about actually securing a copy of the new box after reading some comments relating to Feast of Bones etc. Where am I most likely to secure one? GW site?

I nearly re-entered Warhammer with KO last year, my brother got me some riggers and a khemist last Christmas. after thinking about it more until just last month I decided to go Khorne because I thought learning to paint on Khorne Daemons would be infinitely more forgiving than the Duardin. But seeing this set (I think most Tzeentch models look really cool too) I think I’m going to have to pick it up. Collecting 2 armies at once is ok right?? Haha. Anyway rules wise I agree with Ogre Slayer. It always irked me that melee units could whack an ironclad to death. Hopefully new hero as general allows riggers as battle line too.

Hi everyone, I’m returning to the hobby after about 20 years out (I’ve been following warhammer community, reading novels and lurking this forum for the past few years though) and I’ve decided to go with Blades of Khorne (learning how to paint again with things like Bloodletters will hopefully be a bit more forgiving than the KO I originally looked at, and Khorne has some of the best miniatures around!) I really want to get a Daemon Prince and 2-3 Skullcannons into a list. How would you guys go about it? Is there any merit to sitting a Bloodmaster next to the skull cannons to do the volley fire CA rather than going the extra points for Gorethunder Cohort and Bloodthrone? Costs a command point but you save 200 points (after the bloodmaster to baby sit them), unless this isn’t actually possible and I’m missing something basic, which is highly likely! Got a few ideas from playing around in Azyr but would like to see what other people would do. Thinking pure daemons although I would allow Slaughterpriests too because the models are probably my favourites in AoS so far. Thanks guys!