ArkanautDadmiral

This is a matter of perspective. You see FOMO, but if I was new in that store, a hobbyist more than a player, liked making conversions, or my child just really liked the kit I’d be glad to be notified that its going off sale and won’t be coming back. In my view it’d be shadier to sell these kits without making the buyers aware they’re going to be discontinued. Still lots of reasons to buy these models even if they won’t have rules in the future.

Just say one of the other models is the champion, I don’t think this is an issue when at the moment it looks like the unit can consist both duel wielding and shields and still be legal.

Yeah it’s surely got to be confusing to new players. So can I build half of these with shields and the other without? The fact that the image has both duel wielding makes me expect there to be a separate card for liberators with shields. But the ‘each model in this unit is armed with a Warhammer’ text makes me think they’re just going to ignore anything about the build options. This will inevitably lead to problems in the future when they inevitably revert back to a system that involves the different build options and people are stuck with units that aren’t built to a single option because they thought it was cool to model and paint a guy each way. Still, we don’t know everything yet, maybe there’s more to it.

Underwhelmed by the Lib, it’s too similar to Vindictors for me. I don’t like the helm but that’s an easy head swap. I’d have liked the libs to keep the tabard or something instead of the scale skirt, just something else to separate them a bit. I mean, it’s fine.

It looks Tzeentchy to me 🤷‍♂️

I would like range refreshes before anymore new factions yes. Get everything else looking up to standard.

Incarnate

Anyone know what the little walking snail shell on the CoS knight leaders base is?

I don’t think there’s any loopholes. It also says “each transport vessel has a limit on the number of models it can embark. A transport vessel cannot embark a unit of doing so would exceed this limit” profile on boats says “up to x Skyfarer models can embark in it” I’ve read it all a few times now, it seems really clear to me. Can’t see anywhere it mentions anything other than Skyfarer can embark during deployment.

“During deployment instead of setting up a Skyfarer unit on the battlefield you can say it is embarked in a friendly transport vessel…” Am I missing something?

Only units with Skyfarer keyword can go in boats

Still needs Skyfarer keyword to be able to embark

I’m glad I didn’t pick up an StD start collecting over Black Friday to use in a Khorne army now. I’ll not be buying any more Khorne minis now until they get a new battletome and even then the loss of StD units using allegiance abilities might still turn me off.

It is off topic sure, so this will be my last piece unless I start a new thread. We know about food waste, it’s an issue, but it’s also an issue that is at least being attempted to rectify. But I think we can safely leave this out of the comparison with non perishable goods. Food goes off and is unsafe to eat, the only place it can go after is to be disposed of, if it’s not disposed of in a bin it will rot to nothing where it is anyway and be a health issue, plastic toys won’t. You can’t compare them because at a point the food HAS to be disposed of, plastic toys don’t have to be. Also the food waste argument isn’t an issue of environmental destruction, it’s an issue of food poverty. Dumping plastics that don’t degrade into landfill is an environmental issue, not a question of food poverty. So I think it’s safe not to relate them in this discussion. The destruction of non perishable goods however that don’t have a shelf life is different, and should rightly be met with outrage if they’re not being disposed of in a sustainable way. And of the examples being given, they have been met with outrage. The purse company coach has vowed not to destroy items anymore but they also said what were found by the Tiktok girl were already damaged or otherwise unsellable. Supposedly, so they say, I’m not saying they’re not lying but they’re saying there’s a reason that’s not just ‘it’s taking up space’. The Atari example was obviously met with condemnation too and was excavated. Amazon has had the prime minister commenting on looking into it. They’re issues that are rightly being looked at. It’s strange that in conversation about some of GWs other business tactics the ‘all corporations do that’ excuse isn’t accepted, but it seems ok to fly here? If GW aren’t recycling surplus materials and are sticking them all in landfill it should be looked into and established what the scale of that is. It should be brought up in critiques of GWs business practices as often as the others. But for some reason it’s not? I don’t personally buy the devaluing of the brand narrative in relation to GW. They sell plenty to third parties which is almost always sold at a discount. Anyway I’ll leave it there and maybe create a topic when I’ve discovered more about the situation.

Can you expand on that first comment? Show me where I implied you were lying and I’ll happily apologise, but I’ve not done that anywhere. You’ve made a comment and I’ve asked for information, nowhere have I said you’re lying… I’ve no reason to think you’re lying either. In fact I’ve just gone through my comments and can’t understand where I’m supposed to have accused you of lying? A lot of businesses do those things with perishable goods, supermarkets have sections with end of shelf date food at discount, and they DO donate surplus food to charities here in the UK… they can’t do that with it all though unfortunately because it rots. It’s not the same having to throw an inedible bag of potatoes in the bin as it is destroying plastic toys, it’s not remotely similar and as I say, food is discounted and is also donated. Supposedly 7800 tonnes by uk supermarkets a year. Spain and France better with 100,000-118,000 a year. It’s obviously still an issue but it is discounted and it is donated. Maybe it’s completely different where you are? Can’t fathom how you think it’s the same. Perishable products have to be gotten rid of, it’s illegal (UK) to sell food past it’s use by date so it has to be destroyed for safety, it’s not a remotely similar situation. This isn’t me saying you’re lying about GW destroying product, maybe they are, which is why I’m asking questions, to learn more. But it’s definitely not similar to the food industry. Did you get an indication in your conversations about how much stock is sent to be destroyed? If it’s as long as an edition cycle, would that mean for example boxes of Beastgrave would start to be recalled from GW stores for destruction now with the release of Harrowdeep? Will have already happened with Shadespire?

It’s quite different for companies that make perishable goods to do it (bakeries, food industry as you say) compared to GW and tech industry… you can’t compare something for consumption that rots after a period of time to plastic which is why I said I’ve not heard of companies throwing non perishable stock in the bin. And even then food waste in the industry is something regularly brought up to be combatted. Amazon said all the surplus stock they get rid of goes to recycling centres, not landfill, which I do doubt with them, but generally everyone was shocked to see Amazon doing that, not that it’s a common occurrence for non perishable items. It’s a big expose and is obviously getting government attention too. What makes me think GW doesn’t do it? Well i’d expect competent stock and production management and rotation… the general complaint with GW is they don’t make enough. But it’s besides the point, you claimed they were so I asked about it… Like I say I work for a company that makes perishable goods (though up to and 18 month shelf life) and our production is based on forecasts to satisfy demand and rotate stock without generating waste… Quite honestly believe what I will? You’re sorry for bursting my bubble? I don’t understand? Have I done something wrong or asked a question I shouldn’t have? What’s with the that response? Why are you bringing it up if you don’t want to talk about it? I’m not even saying I don’t believe you I’m just asking for information? So can you answer what the shelf life is? How much time do they allocate to stocking something like Dominion before destroying it?

Too many other models to paint! Haha But I very much recommend both because you’re a Skaven fan.

What about Hamilcar? Or profits ruin? Hammilcar actually made me almost interested in starting Skaven! Almost… haha

It’s not recyclable unfortunately. There are businesses that repurpose non recyclable materials into other forms though. One near me turns plastics into furniture, construction area barriers etc. I was hoping to organise collecting and sending all our local communities sprues there. What you’re saying is at direct odds with what the other user is though. It’s obviously preferable but if I worked at GW I’d be using that as a PR campaign and running a scheme that involves customers being able to drop off their unused sprues in bins at GW or to be sent to GW direct so they can be disposed of in a better way than being put in the bin. Especially in today’s climate.

Because in all my working life I’ve not experienced the company throwing perfectly good non perishable stock in the bin. old books can be recycled, why would they be destroyed? Do you know what’s classed as leftover stock? How old does it need to be? You’ve mentioned it in relation to dominion so when do you expect that to be destroyed? Why wouldn’t they sell off at a discount, both to end user and wholesale? In anticipation of storage requirements? Be interesting to see how many other people here are aware of this considering you thought it was common knowledge. Obviously I’ll speak to GW employees to find out more.

That’s not what he’s said both times though, only that they destroy left over stock. The true stock is the plastic. If it’s being resold in different packaging that’s not destroyed stock. Im really interested in this because I’d been trying to find ways to recycle or repurpose sprues on a larger level than personal hobby so I could organise for my local community to drop them off at a hobby centre to be disposed of in a more environmentally friendly way than just being binned. To hear GW destroy stock is pretty big, for all the criticism they get I can’t believe it’s one that’s not brought up more often at all. I have to say I find it unbelievable they’d destroy perfectly good stock that’s obviously not perishable, especially in reference to a box set that’s been out less than a year? I’ve worked for a company that makes dried, but still perishable goods for nearly 9 years and I don’t think we’ve once had to destroy ‘leftover stock’. Maybe I’ll make another topic.

Second time I’ve seen you make this ‘he destroys leftover stock comment’. Can you please explain this more? How are they destroying it? What stock are they destroying? Of all the bad press GW gets I’ve not heard about them dumping or destroying stock and considering it’s non recyclable or degradable plastic (that I’d expect has a nasty environmental impact if it’s burned too) I’d expect it to be a pretty big deal, yet it never comes up in the general GW critiques. Please explain.

I’d hazard a guess it’s because many just regurgitate content that’s already been done before too. Like everyone’s obsession with paying people on 5er to paint minis and whatever. It’s like content creation is a standard formula now bereft of any creativity.

Can you elaborate on this? Never heard that before. If GW are just dumping non recyclable plastic why is this not one of the biggest concerns in the hobby?

How are slaves units in DoT? Any decent synergies etc? I’m really tempted to start a DoT army (I’ve some bits already from Aether War), and I really like the idea of making some knights from palladors, and lord on mount/manticore/karkadrak from a converted Aquillor. Really want to do a fatemaster with a Painbringer base model too. Probably be a path to glory army but be nice to know how DoT slaves fare in regular matched play. Also, noticed people taking magister on disc quite a bit now, when he came out it felt like the consensus was he was poor. Has something changed? Why’s he a good pick now? I have one, so useful.