Chris Tomlin

Morning all, Sorry it's been ages since I posted here (or at all on the forums really ). I have a couple of answered posts to reply to and then we'll crack on with some photos of new models! Thanks man. Yeh you've nailed my thoughts on the models there, especially regarding the soft detail. I am 100% adding Sacrosanct units to the army, as you say they should look pretty great in this scheme I reckon. I've already assembled a Knight-Incantor with a couple of small conversions to tie her into the Phoenix Temple a bit more and then there are plenty more units I plan to add, so this thread will definitely continue as the army builds. Thanks a lot! As per above, my initial focus will be around adding more Stormcast to the army, but I may well include more Phoenix Temple units over time. After painting 50 Phoenix Guard to a pretty decent standard over 6 months I am in no rush to paint any more of them haha! So our campaign is now over and everyone has finished their 2,000 point armies. You can search the hashtag #FromEmberToInferno on Twitter to see everyones work. There's a lovely Tzeentch army from @Cowboy Boots Matt, a super cool Spiderfang Grot army by @Paul Buckler and a spooky Pirate Wraithfleet force from @Forestreveries - two of these have already won painting trophies at two day events. The standard was very high across the campaign. I guess I'd be remiss to not mention the fact that my army performed very well across the campaign, winning every game and taking first place with a tonne of Glory points. That said, in the vacuum of our four armies mine did unfortunately end up being a little overpowered, a fact that was exacerbated by some of the bonus items/abilities I got. Still, it was a lot of fun regardless and we will definitely be revisiting the format for a second season next year. The final units I added to the army in month 6 were 10 more Phoenix Guard to bump one of my units up to 30 and a Frostheart Phoenix. For this 3rd Phoenix I decided to have him unridden. My reason for this was twofold; firstly I wanted to reduce the potential power level of the army for the campaign and also I had hoped that AoS 2 would introduce a different points cost for an unridden Phoenix, making it a viable option. Unfortunately this was not the case, so I will be adding an Anointed to the ruins on his base going forwards as there is absolutely not reason not to, which is a shame. Here are the final 10 Phoenix Guard. I do really like these models, but as per above will not be in a rush to paint anymore. That said with there points reductions in the new addition there definitely is a temptation to do some more down the line; And then finally is my third Phoenix. I'm pretty happy with this guy. The paint is mostly pretty nice and all in all I am happy with the pose, although it didn't quite turn out as I envisioned. All 3 Phoenixes have ended up slightly different colours, which I think is ok. The coolest thing for me is the snow spray. When I was originally planning my Phoenix conversions I did some crude drawings in the campaign WhatsApp group and had one of a Phoenix with a vertical wingspan like this shooting through the snow with it spraying up. I wasn't sure how I'd be able to model this, but I'm really very pleased with how it came out eventually (took a long time to build up over a blister pack skeleton). Once again I'm pleased with the icicles as well. Hope you like him! So yeh, that's it for now. Going forward the army does have to undergo some change in the new edition unfortunately. I'm really not a fan of the new restrictions for allies as I think they penalise cool themed armies like this and actually does nothing against power builds. I literally think they were just scared of all Order armies taking 4 Celestar Ballistas, which probably alludes to a different issue other than allies overall haha! This does give me a chance to paint up a bunch of the new Stormcast models in this colour scheme and eventually I can mix and match the units perhaps. Definitely looking forward to converting a Tauralon into more of a Griffon/Hippogryph to better fit the army. Thanks for all the likes and comments in this thread so far. Keep an eye out for what's to come in the future as I am planning on taking this army to at least a couple of events before the year is up. To finish up, here a couple of rubbish photos of the full army in my display cabinets. I would like to do some full army shots on a snow mat or something, but for now it's cool just to see it all laid out. I've also included the Lotann I painted in the same colour scheme for the #BattlerollPaintBattle (where I won Coolest Conversion). Not sure if I posted pics of him on here, but I could if people wanted to see him. Enjoy; Chris x

I'm giving consideration to everything at the moment and want to get a definitive pack up as soon as possible. However I also don't want to rush into any decisions. Hopefully I will have some further guidance for you all over the coming days. Apologies for the delay, I know it's not ideal at all...I really thought I'd dodge all the game changing stuff by bringing the event forward this year...it's now 3 years in a row I've run events straight after new rules dropped haha!! EDIT - Also going to announce details of the FREE Shadespire Store Championships that will be running on the Friday for BLACKOUT attendees. Hopefully a bunch of you will take part in that as well. Great opportunity to pick up some of the awesome GW prize support whilst playing vs friendly AoS regulars.

@Double Misfire - Thanks for posting the clarification. That's handy to know. I hadn't seen that.

Hey, <EDIT - Removed incorrect info re Firestorm> I've also found the new ally cap a little restrictive as it's hard to get more than 2 units of allies unless you fancy spamming units of 10 Phoenix Guard. I think the core of the list has to look something like this; 3 Anointed on Frostheart Anointed 30 Phoenix Guard 2x 10 Phoenix Guard And then ally in two wizard units. As we have spare points now I think going for more expensive Stormcast ones may be an idea as their added survivability is also nicely in keeping with the army. You'll also be able to afford Endless Spells and/or a bonus Command Point. There's also the potential to juggle things a little to squeeze that 4th Frostheart (I think). I'll contribute some proper lists next week when I've mulled it over a bit more. Having picked up Soul Wars, I definitely plan to paint and base my Sacrosanct in the same scheme so will have some flexibility there.

Another fantastic topic @Double Misfire - Appreciate you going to all this effort for under represented factions/armies. Very useful information. For what it's worth, there is a weird nuance with Phoenicium where you can't actually take a straight up Phoenix Temple army for it, as the Phoenix Guard loose their battleline status because technically your allegiance is Phoenicium and not Phoenix Guard!! Please correct me if I am mistaken, but that is how I (frustratingly) understood it. Thanks again mate, adding this to the Order Hub, Chris

Tbh, I think this trumps any in-game issues that may arise as a result of the change. And yeh, good points re pile ins in AoS 2. Yeh this is what I've done throughout, it would irk me as well if I'm honest (glad I've sold my Gutbusters!!)

Good question Ollie and to be fair, you make a good counter point. Having a greater board coverage is undoubtedly useful when it comes to a small model count army in an objective based game. However, at the business end, Gutbusters are a combat army, so anything that has a negative impact on the way they perform there is likely to hurt them. A few quick things to consider; Whilst Ironguts can still attack through a 50mm base, it does mean everything has to be completely flush. This means you can't stagger your bases to push even more attacks through (perhaps hard to explain without pics). Similar to the above, with 40mm bases it is possible for even Ogors to gain a lot more attacks by staggering their models into a kind of zig-zag wavy formation...again, I'm not explaining this well without pics haha!! With 50mm bases, you are forced to go tight and wide if you want to maximise attacks. The enemy is going to be able to get more attacks back on you. Not just because the individual bases are larger, but because you'll have to commit more to the front line. The potential for people to stop pile-in's by tagging the sides of units is greater. With 50mm's, you're still likely to bring an additional model to the side but beyond that it may be tricky. Not a huge deal, but every little counts. There's definitely an argument to be had for bigger sizes being better in some situations, but overall I think Ogors and Ironguts in particular are more efficient on 40mm bases. Chris

Morning, Whilst I sold on my Gutbusters a while back, I had rebased them all on 40mm bases within the exceptions of Maneaters and Characters that went on 50mm bases. All my rebasing thus far has gone off the GW photos (If the models have not been repacked) and all the Ogors, Leadbelchers and Ironguts have definitely been depicted on 40mm's. This seems like a solid nerf to the army in terms of gameplay, let alone the time and financial concerns associated with (more) rebasing. A sad day for the big lads I definitely wish you well with your petitioning. My suggestion would certainly be for sensible, politely reasoned e-mails as opposed to Facebook rage!

Hey, I should also note that I am especially invested in this one as the last army I've been working on in the current edition is Phoenix Temple and have only really played them in a campaign. So moving into the new edition I look forward to actually discussing lists as I plan to take the Phoenix Temple to a number of Tournaments over the next 6 months! I'll post up some initial AoS 2 list ideas at the start of next week. In the mean time though, hopefully there will be some others out there who see the Phoenix Temple as more than just the Frostheart Phoenix jammed into other armies! Chris

Morning all, Here is the new thread for discussing Phoenix Temple. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Phoenix Temple in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section (In this instance, my own Phoenix Temple blog is in the Painting & Modelling section as at present it hasn't been gaming focused, you can find that HERE). But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/11304-lets-chat-phoenix-temple/?tab=comments#comment-124652 Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts. Chris

@Overread - I've linked to your topic within the first post and have included your title as a description. Thanks for the contribution, most appreciated.

Morning all, Here is the new thread for discussing Darkling Covens. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Darkling Covens in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section (like me!). But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal (especially as it is one of the shorter threads like this) and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/11326-lets-chat-darkling-covens/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts. Chris

Morning all, Here is the new thread for discussing Seraphon. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Seraphon in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section (like me!). But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/11252-lets-chat-seraphon-2017/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts. Chris

Morning all, Here is the new thread for discussing Wanderers. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Wanderers in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section (like me!). But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/8798-lets-chat-wanderers-wood-elves-compendium/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts. Chris

Morning all, Here is the new thread for discussing Dispossessed. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Dispossessed in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section (like me!). But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal (especially as it's one of the shorter ones!) and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/11151-lets-chat-dispossessed/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts. Chris

Morning all, Here is the new thread for discussing Daughters of Khaine. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Daughters of Khaine in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section (like me!). But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here (please note that some of this is pre battletome) - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/10833-lets-chat-daughters-of-khaine/ There is also the following topic which is worth a read. This is a debate and discussion on the use of Sisters of Slaughters and Witch Aelves; their pros, cons, comparison and equipment - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/18324-daughters-of-khaine-witches-and-sisters/ You can also read about the lore for the Daughters of Khaine in this topic - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/18902-daughters-of-khaine-lore/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts. Chris

Morning all, Here is the new thread for discussing Kharadron Overlords. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Kharadron Overlords in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section (like me!). But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/8925-lets-chat-kharadron-overlords/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts. Chris

Morning all, Here is the new thread for discussing Fyreslayers. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Fyreslayers in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section (like me!). But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/5185-lets-chat-fyreslayers/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts. Chris

Morning all, Here is the new thread for discussing Free Peoples. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Free Peoples in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section (like me!). But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/2772-lets-chat-free-peoples/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts. Chris

Morning all, Here is the new thread for discussing Stormcast Eternals. With the imminent release of AoS 2 and a new Stormcast battletome, now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Stormcast Eternals in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section (like me!). But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/17980-lets-chat-stormcast-eternals/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts. Chris

Morning all, Here is the new thread for discussing Idoneth Deepkin. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Idoneth Deepkin in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section (like me!). But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/16455-lets-chat-idoneth-deepkin/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts. Chris

Morning all, Here is the new thread for discussing Sylvaneth. With the imminent release of AoS 2 (and a lot of the info already being out there), now is the time for us to start afresh on TGA. Moving forward, this will be the main thread to chat about and discuss Sylvaneth in the new edition. I still wholly encourage people to keep their own threads/army blogs within this sub forum and I also think those are a great place to share some photos as I know not everyone frequents the Painting & Modelling section (like me!). But this thread is purely for discussion around the faction, things such as (but not limited to) tactics and list building etc. You all know the drill, we've been doing it on this forum since inception! For newer players, I would say the older thread could still be worth perusal and whilst it is now locked for further replies, you can find it here - http://www.tga.community/forums/topic/1827-lets-chat-sylvaneth/ Really excited to see what we can come up with as a community and I look forward to reading all your ideas and thoughts. Chris