JerekKruger

Yup. They aren't going to rush messing up the story that established AoS.

Completely unrelated to the Darkoath box: thoughts on using the Fomoroid Crusher as a Chaos Giant? Is he big enough? I get the feeling he's similar size to the 6th edition metal O&G giant, but the question then becomes "is that really big enough" in today's world of much larger GW minis.

Yeah that's my concern. I'm just not sure they'll look that good ranked up. To be honest I'm not sure they look that good even in AoS: they're maybe a but too over the top. Huh, I assumed Marauder Horsemen would be on 25x50mm bases. Tell be absolutely fine on 30x60mm. Assuming the Marauder Horsemen are on the same size bases as Freeguild Cavaliers (which seems likely), is day he's on a 60mm round base. Might be a tight squeeze, but I reckon he'll probably go on a 50mm square. That's also true though. Nice idea. Huh, I assumed all Chaos Champions came with Full Plate as standard, but it's only the Lord that does. Yeah, I think he could be a decent Aspiring Champion. I also like @Trokair's suggestion of a sorcerer. Give him some sort of staff and he'll look the part.

I didn't realize they ever made a Forsaken kit. Just looked it up: whilst it's not great, I think it'll be good as a source of conversion bits for my own Forsaken, so good. I don't know. Ironbreakers/drakes, Hammerers/Longboards and Gyrocopters/bombers are all AoS kits yet are getting included in TOW. I guess it might be a sign that they will be cut in the next CoS book. Warriors got great weapons and halberds as a separate upgrade pack, and I think you could build both two hand weapons and hand weapons and shields on the base kit, so all options should be doable. I think Chosen will require conversions, as the old models were metal/resin who seem only to have come with great weapons. Not sure how easy the new plastic Chosen will be to give different weapon options (their poses are probably quite great weapons specific). I get the feeling we'll be expected to do some conversion/kit bashing, at least in the short term. We'll see though.

What are people's thoughts on the Darkoath box? Good Marauder and Spawn proxies or no? Does the Chieftain in horse have use as anything (he is somewhat lacking in armor to be wearing Chaos Armour, but he looks good)?

Apparently not 😮

Very nice! I think he fits in well with TOW High Elves. As an aside, I really hope we get those Lothern Seaguard re-released. They are so much nicer than the old 6th edition Spear and Bow elves.

Yeah, I don't buy it. The Throne of Chaos campaign is not contemporary to The Old World. I guess it may happen eventually, but I'm not counting on it.

Or Darkoath maybe?

Yeah, that's my first thought. All the kits in the O&G Battalion are old even by TOW standards (all are from early 6th edition). Meanwhile the Dwarf on its a mix of later 6th edition sculpts (the Dwarf Warriors and the Quarrellers) and 8th (the two Gyrocopter/bombers). I couldn't see myself ever using those old O&G sculpts, but the Dwarfs are fine by me, especially when I can also be taking the (also 8th edition?) Ironbreaker and Hammerer kits in my army and the new plastic Shield Bearer kit. So I expect the Dwarf release to sell better.

I'd say Squats were the nearest to being equivalent in this case (when they were dropped they were equivalent to other factions at the same time in terms of support), and there's a reason people talk about things being "Squatted". Chaos Dwarfs are the next nearest, but as you say they were not a fully supported army at the time. I suspect I'm some ways they were reading there popularity via the WD army list, and found them not to be very popular so they didn't get official support. Agreed completely on Witch Hunters (you can still buy some of their minis now from that era, and they have non-legends rules) and Fimirs (such a stretch).

I love that Chariot so much. It's just gorgeous. Also love the converted lord!

They are surprisingly big yes. If you're interested: https://old.reddit.com/r/WarhammerFantasy/comments/1br8mp3/dragon_ogre_shartak_ready_for_paint/ One of the things that's a bit weird is that the existing (or formerly existing) Shaggoth is hardly bigger than the plastic Dragon Ogres (and both are on 50x75mm bases in TOW). Seems a shame not to have Shaggoths be significantly bigger.

Also interested.

A fifth grand alliance, and then a souping of the existing four into a great resistance. Like the crowning of Malekith as Phoenix King (where seemingly all the High Elves just shrugged their shoulders at the centuries of war crimes and said "well I guess the fire says he's a goodie so we forgive him"), no one will bat an eyelid at Archaon working alongside Stormcast.

To be fair, getting a hold of AoS dwarf kits ain't always easy. Plus them being sold in 10s is not great for TOW.

Having seen a few examples of people using Dracolines that look excellent (their body size fits Ogroid perfectly), and then still being available from GW at the moment, I've gone ahead and ordered some. As a side note, Abraxia might make a pretty cool basis for a Shaggoth. Though I'm not sure what Torso to use an Ogroids might be a little on the small side.

Agreed. At the moment, basically the only unit that will always benefit from it are Sorceresses (which, great I guess, but I don't really want my Sorceress in melee). Everything else that has the rule will almost certainly have a non-hand weapon they'd rather use. And it just feels wrong for it not to apply to Witch Elves using their signature two hand weapons.

The reason I've considered Aggradons is I saw this reddit post. However because of the viewing angle it's hard to tell whether the body is too small or not.

I'm thinking of converting some Dragon Ogres using the excellent Ogroid Theridons from AoS for the Torso, and I'm trying to decide what I should use as the lower body. Interested to know if anyone that has done this and, if so, what worked. Currently my thoughts are: 1 - Celestial Dracolines. Pros = good size and they are scaled. Cons = a lot of tidying up to remove the moulded on legs of the Stormcast Rider. 2 - Aggradons. Pros = even more lizardy than Dracolines and shouldn't be as hard to tidy up. Cons = might be a big slight in comparison to Theridon's body. 3 - Varanguard mounts. Pros = already Chaosy and mount seems largely separate to rider (also lots of Chaos conversion bits). Cons = not lizardy and I'd need to sell my liver to buy a set. 4 - Centaurion Marshall. Pros = bloody gorgeous lower body with an (IMHO) awful upper body, plus the upper and lower are basically already separate and it comes pre-centaured. Cons = I can only really make one, so one really good if I want to user it as a solo Shartak (not the worst thing in the world), and not lizardy at all. 5 - Karkadrak. Pros = perhaps the most Dragon Ogrey body out there, and already Chaosified. Cons = same as Centaurion Marshall in that can only really make one, and being an easy build kit I suspect it'll be hell to get the rider off. 6 - Kragnos. Okay, this is probably a joke, and if it wasn't it's be a Shaggoth 😄 Any other ideas? Any thoughts?

Cursing Word is probably fair enough, although it makes the spell much less interesting. I am disappointed that they didn't change Murderous though.

So today I picked up my O&G Arcane Journal and reference cards, as well as my Green Knight, and I realised something: I don't want to deal with metal minis. They're just too much of a hassle for me these days: harder to assemble well and securely, wise detail than modern plastics or resin, and they chip so damn easily. I remember being a metal snob, preferring it to plastics. I have no idea why anymore. Anyway, I think I'm going to return his Green Highness. He was a lovely sculpt, but I think I just prefer modern stuff.

Which is exactly what we want you to do, so the while we are looking to our horrendously deadly war machines on your mega boss. Clanrats only exist to distract him for a few moments 😄

I think I'm in love 😆

Agreed. Be polite, but make it clear that you are disappointed and would get much like BoC to remain in AoS. Don't expect them to actually change their mind in the short term by the way. BoC will be retired as planned. What might change however is them bringing BoC in, say, AoS 5th and/or extending the officialdom of BoC in 4th.