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Nop,sorry but you must activate it in your turn. As you hadnt activated it you havent it in the first turn of your rival.

This topic is going out of topic. But for me hearthguards are balanced vs batletomes armys,have the same damage per points than similar elites units,similar wounds,but have 50% extra save with a counterplay of must be close to heroes and a 50% less move than similar units. So a slower unit being the same % mora sturdy seems balanced to me. They have many counterplays as chaff units,kite them,snipe the heroes etc The problem are units fast with zero counterplay as eels,you cant use chaff due to fly,you cant snipe heroes because they dont need auras,you cant kite them because they move faster than every unit in the game and you cant alpha strike it because can be put out of the table. I said eels as i could have said any other top unit. So hearthguard are very good,but have many counterplays so fyreslayers have that win rate. Hearthguards dont need a nerf,but vulkites need a huge buff of 30-40 points to be competitive and rangued hearthguard need other 40-60 points decrease to be balanced. People asking for nerfs to hearthguard need think about weaknes\strength of units. A strongth unit with many weakness is balanced,a strongth unit with 0 weakness is broken

In statics raw numbers dont matters onky relatives. So only win rate matters. Per example if stormcast have 50% win rate and idoneths 60%, but we have 100 stormcast players and 10 idoneths player,it is 100% comon sense and basical maths that even if idoneths are better than stormcast,the stormcast gonna win more tournaments because they have more players. Or easier army A have 50% win rate and 100 players and army B have 50% win rate and 10 players,then army A gonna have 10 times the tournaments wins than army B even if they both are the same balance. This is the reason that nobody that know maths use raw numbers and only relatives. And with relatives idoneths have 58'5 win rate that they are at 4th place,only behind of broken armys as dok,fec or slanesh and at the lvl of skavens.

The game is won by speed,there is a reason that even with the "best melle unit of the game" as people here are wrongly claiming fyreslayers are at the level of idoneth or lower. They have 4" move that is a joke and gonna do imposible win any objetive game. Sure if we get one especial lodge and a special warlord trait etc etc we can move 12" only the first turn and only wholy within 12" of our general but even then we have 4" move out if first turn. There is a reason that eels are broken,14" move,fly etc etc THAT are stats that win games. Also per example idoneths tralls have 50% more move and 50-100% more damague than hearthguard for only 10 extra points and the 4++ if they are close to heroes. But hearthguard are broken and tralls are useless(as every idoneths player say) even if math show how tralls are better than hearthguards(i prefer 50% move and 50%-100% more damage than a 50% extra save only close o heroes)

Easy to balance Vulkites 130 Heqrthguard berzerker 150 Magma runesmiter 240 Magma runeson 250 Magma runefater 260 Every stupid wholy witing changued back to within

Dispossesed players disagree with this. I am a new player(never played to fantasy) and started 3 years ago with dispossesed. I dont want dispossesed at dok,skavens,fec levels.im happy with order draconis or phoenyx levels

Not all those changues at the same time,i said those are the over the top things

Those two books seems overpower and out of balance,easier nerf HARD ( not the joke nerf of this gh to idk per example)those 2 books than buff the other tomes. Fec need get the free sumon nerfed,the 1-3 extra attack spell need be as 2 or 3 more hard to cast.and the comand trait to double attack must dissapear or only work for weak units as gouls because a dragon with 3 extra attacks,double attacking and allways attack first cant be and isnt aceptable Skavens with a increase of 40-80 to verminlords and to every warp weapon is fine

Seeing the low numbers changues of this gh its imposible that they changue us more of 20 points up or down. I hope a nerf of 10-20 to hearthguard zerkers and they must buff vulkites to 130 as hardboys but i dont think they do it

Thats the history of 40k with marines and now aos with golden marines(stormcast) They get the 75% of the time and resources of gw with 500% the models that others armys and every starter box or aniversary must have marines and stormcast. Thats the reason that many people "hate" marines and stormcast,not due to the models per se,but due to the atention above others armys that they get Myself have 1700 points of stormcast that i got at the release of aos and i havent played with them in 2 years because i "hate" them now.

Nice post,i didnt expend so many time reading slanesh results so maybe they arent so broken as i tougth. Also i agree 100% with you idoneth and fyreslayers must be at aa also i would put goblins and khorne at "a" but didnt did this tier,i copy\paste it from other user but was pretty close to the meta.

In a faq they said that you loose the order alegiance as free city and cant use the reroll battlesocks. But it worth it,my favourite is tempest eye for the extra +1 save and move at the first turn

Eels eels eels and more eel seeing how gw wont balance them(10 points increase is a joke and they are undercosted yet)

100% agree with you. Also i dissgree with the people that think that the tiers gonna changue after the gh,the nerfs and buffs have been so low that wont impact the tiers. I hope the faq incoming bring big changues as they did with last fyreslayers gh,changing every within auras to wholy withing of dok and those armys

Sorry but slanesh is overpower,they have skyrocket in tournaments and every tournament they get more and more wins,soon they gonna be at the top with skaven,fec and dok

I wouldnt say that khorne is a joke,they are 100% balanced. This photo show the tiers,with botton tier being 100% non batletome armys So we have those tier and armys in botton tier as dispossesed got a nerf to a batteline unit,minir buff to heroes and a buff to one unt and that it is,they needed changues to warscrolls with per example huge buffs as double wounds for every model to start to can go up in ranks,but no,gw only did some minor buff 100% negated by other nerf that let dispossesed as they were before this gh. For me god tier and the trash tier cant exist,a big game as warhammer must do hotfix or we call them faq in 1-3 months to nerf armys in god tier and buff armys in trash tier,then gh and tomes can balance mid tiers. I dont get how they have tye face to sell us this joke gh with 0 work after it. This gh havent done NOTHING to balance the game,nerfs of 10 points to units that needed a nerf of 40 points and buff of 10 points to units wont changue nothing. I know i am bad with english and words,but as new player that chosen dispossesed as my army is a personal attack(after the invest of money done on dwarfs)see how after 3 years they havent done nothing to balance dispossesed but meanwhile they have release 3 tomes for khorne and stormcast and 3 gh and dispossesed are trash tier yet and seem the gap only increase on time

I think you might manage your expectations a bit better to avoid rage quitting the hobby.  Sorry if i sounded too much pesimist,but i am not one of those old fantasy players that want use their old army in aos. I am a new player that bougth a new army of dwarfs to start to play(around 200€) When i bougth them i knew that they hadnt tome(2 years ago) but then they were very playable vs every army and could win any game,but now with every new tome and gh the gap have increase too much. My expectations arent too much big,many others non battletome armys have units pretty good but dispossesed havent,every of our units is garbagge. Per example:swordmasters,phoenyx guard,white lions,black guard per example all are so much better than hammerers and all are elite units of non battletome armys. I get your point,and i sorry if i sounded too much rude or pesimist.but i was a new player that choosen dispossesed because they are so cool(i hate the aestetical of every new army of aos as water elfs,punk dwarfs etc)and when i bougth them they were at 7\10 but im crying now because after those two years dispossesed are at 3\10 and arent playable vs any tome army. If gw wont balance them to be playable then why sell them?they get our money of the models but they dont do work to balance them. They could say us that they arent playable at matched play and they wont fix them and we can buy them for use them in other games or for hobby then. I think that as new player and customer of gw i can demand that they balance the army that i spent so many money on it i guess,i dont have expctations of dispossesed at tome levels but i expect be at swordmasters levels per example

After see so many crys of idoneth players about the shark i have checked the warscoll and i dont know what people think is wrong with it. Gyrocopter\bomber of dispossesed:80 points 1'5 damage at rangue and 0'1 at melle 4 wound with 4 save Idoneth shark:120 points 5 damage at melle and 1'5 at rangue 8 wounds with 4 save So the shard cost 50% more than the copter for 100% more wounds,500% more damage(6'5 shark vs 1'5 copter) and same other stats So two unit with same role and the shark is so much better and i dont see people crying about the copters

Battletome army changues of idoneths,one of the t1 armys Idoneths eels tanks 0 nerf Idoneths eels dps a joke 10 points nerfs(6% increase) Across the board buff to almost every unit from the tome Vs non battletome army of dispossesed who are botton tier Warriors nerfs of 10 points (12% increase) Buffs to heroes who are a minor % of the points of a list Buff to hammerers at 140 points when have same stats than white lions or black guard that cost 120 0!!!!! Changues to the other units It is imposible as dispossesed player see those changues and think gw know what the meaning of balance is A fast glimpse to actual bt unit as boingrot bounderz vs no battletome army hammerers(dwarf) Both units have similar stats so i gonna write that differ: Goblin: 40 less points Have a 2'5 mortal wounds output free 50% more move(2d6 is a median of 7) Hammerers: Have 16% better hit So hammerers have 16% better for them and that it is. How is posible that the goblins for 40 less points have more damage(the mortal wounds extra damage is more than the 16% beter hit from hammerers) and have almost double move, Both for 120 would be a closer balance but 140 hammerers and 100 goblins are a joke And this is only one example,almost every non battletome unit need a huge boost that this gh hadnt done

Try ulthuan grey,it s the white i use for my tau and it is a off white but for me it is white and it isnt chalky

So no changues to nothing in the book about alegiances etc. In points we got a nerf to warrior and a buff to heroes and hammerers(who need be 120 points to be a option in competitive). So in general we got a sligth buff if we changue warriors to longbeards(i gonna run mine warriors as longbeards) that would be cool for a competiive army. But a botton tier army with those changues are a joke,armys as nighthaunts who are a t1-2 army have got a nerf to reapers and across tye boards buffs to every other unit,lon got nerf to reapers and wols but huge buffs to heroes and units and etc etc every top army got the same sligth buffs than us or bigger buffs.so the gap betwen dispossesed and battletomes armys gonna be the same or bigger after this gh. I dont wanna be pesimist but those changues wont get us out of the botton tier where dispossesed are

As order list,i used dispossesed,stomcast,fyreslayers and a dragonlord with a archmague on steed from elfs. For me it is a joke a nerf of 40 points to the dragonlord when now we have units as morathi,skavens verminlords etc that are so much better. I ran him because i love the model,but for 380 points and no alegiance habilitys i wont run him never more in competitive

Minor nerfs,and minor bufs. One year more of fec and skavens winning the meta and non battletome armys being useless

I guess the choice betwen warriors and longbeard is a no brainer now.

--Battletomes armys got across the boards buffs to every unit --broken units got minor nerfs as eels(6% increase in points),some a bit bigger as reapers or wytches(10-20%) and we dont know about evocators --non batletome armys got a big nerf to units as dragonlord and karl franz in grifon --non battletome armys got minor buffs to some units as dark elfs,others buffs across the board as wanderers -- non battletome army and a botton army as dispossesed got a nerf of 12% increase to warriors and zero buffs to the others units ,but a buff to heroes who are almost zero of the % point of a armylist Those changues have zero sense and wont changue nothing of the meta,and it gonna increase the gap betwen battletome and non battletome armys more