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  1. Cynric
    Thanks for the reply. The "other points to taste" would be wanders with 2 units from the woodelves compendium drug in under allies (as they are order and thus allowed) so it's far from sylvaneth allegiance. Wish it could be sylvaneth and have more than a token wanderer allie as their spell lore/special rules/wildwood before setup/artifacts are all better than generic order. Mostly this is a scheme to put something that looks like the old wood elf army back on the table. This scheme seems to provide a way to put wildwoods on the table at a fairly low cost as the dryads pay the battleline tax and branchwraiths are a bit of a bargin and harvestboon is pretty good on its own merits.
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    Is it permissible to bring a battalion within a living city? I do not see anywhere it is written that you have to for example be sylvaneth allegiance to bring a sylvaneth battalion, did I miss something? Here is what I am thinking. Allegiance: order / living city / realm to taste for artifacts that are not trash. 3x Dryads 2x branchwraith Forest folk Harvestboon Rest of points to taste... Per harvestboon one of the wraiths can take tear of grace as an artifact which grants an additional spell that is selected from the deep wood spell lore. That spell would be verdant blessing of course solving the wildwood problem. Is this legal/did I miss something?
  3. Cynric
    I think you are right. The faq/errata completely rewrites the rules. The battleline seems like it will need to come from one of the freecity resident lists and cant be a "battleline if" which can make this option less atttractive.
  4. Cynric
    Please disregard this post. The faq/errata completely rewrote the applicable rules/examples. Post retained for history.... I find it quite confusing. I generally avoid confusing things as it is best for tranquility and happiness with friends, but since the question is on the table I'll comment... Firestorm page 55, has an example of a city team that says if all stormcast you could be either stormcast or order alliegence, but if stormcast and freepeoples you gotta be order. So if all wanders, I think you could be wanders allegiance (presumably with battalion) and gain a deployment option. Similarly you could be all sylvaneth and gain a deployment option. But here is where my head hurts, what if you are wanders with normal wanders allie (within normal limits) cand you still be living city? Further, what if you are sylvaneth with wanders allie (within normal constraints), it seems like you could have all the sylvaneth army abilities, spells, artifacts, battalions and also call it living city and deploy out of woods/any border with a set aside wanderer unit and of course being unable to give artifacts to the within city allie. Alternatively you could go order and pick your allie team from anything in order. All this said, edge cases arent the greatest thing for keeping friends.
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    Sure, but that seems unlikely. What I would like functionally is a mixed (either native or higher allie allowance) wanderer/sylvaneth force with reliable ways to put wildwoods on the table. Without the woods the sylvaneth models are overpriced imo. This could be done through a battalion or spell lore added to either army. Also it would be nice if the woods themselves, spells and command abilities that affect either wanderers or sylvaneth work on the entire battalion rather than just a portion. From the point of view of just "winning games" going mixed seems much worse than going sylvaneth with an allied waywatcher and glade guard (and some kurnoth archers if yet more archery is desired.) This would only solve 2/3 of getting back to the army of old as orion, forest dragon, wardancers, eagles and beasttenders are left to the bygone era.
  6. Cynric
    Who is to say what the future will contain. I am an old wood elf player who would very much like the future to be a bit more like the past with an army of trees, animals and elves. My options today as I see it are: - wanderer allegiance, allied sylvaneth. For me this is not nearly enough trees and no beasts. - grand alliance order. No special rules, extensive use of proxies to drag out beloved old models. Endless spells and affiliation with one region or another adds a bit more artifact choice but often the models are a bit handicapped as their abilities do not synergize well (a command ability or healing spell that only benefits a fraction of your force for example), and it does not have sylvaneth spell lore and most of the ways to deploy a wild wood. Also opponents when I win can sometimes go sour grapes if it turns out that some old compendium unit or proxy was actually useful. It's like bringing cardboard cutouts instead of fully modeled and painted woods in that when you win the opponent expresses that you cheated because you didnt pay GW the tax for having the forest. Similarly they are fine with the eagle as a proxy for a Phoenix until it becomes annoying on the table. It's just better to not have the hard feelings, it is a small community. I like this option when I am playing someone less skilled or with a not extremely optimized army. - living city. Same as grand alliance but you do gain a useful special rule but with less choices. - sylvaneth alliegence with wanderer allies. No beasts and not nearly enough elves. In my case it's a sylvaneth army with a waywatcher hero and a unit of glade guard. It gains various ways to deploy woods, teleport the trees and the spell lore. I have had the most luck against good players/armies with this option. None of the choices are very satisfactory. I miss my eagles, orion and a force that was closer to 50/50 trees and elves.
  7. Cynric
    What is your allegiance? If it is "grand alliance order" the "allies" part of the problem disappears as it is all "order" and you can grab what you want from that bucket. Leaders/arty/behemoth/battleline still count of course.
  8. Cynric
    Thank you
  9. Cynric
    What did I miss (where is this written)?
  10. Cynric
    The problem with shooting is that it only happens half as often as melee.
  11. Cynric
    Which list is the knight found in? (Thanks for the reply)
  12. Cynric
    Maybe I am misunderstanding the rules, but "allies" doesnt apply to either grand alliance or free city. The stuff they can bring in both cases is all native to what it is, so put the artifact where you wish. The grand alliance artifacts are mostly stinkers but the mortal realms perhaps provide an attractive option Allies is for when you have a tightly focused army like "sylvaneth" with the special boons, spells, artifacts, etc. In those cases you can have a few points/units from a slightly broader list. I would love to be able to bring 60/40 sylvaneth/wanders but it always seems like what I get is not enough to offset what is lost when compared to an 80/20 with sylvaneth allegiance. The game seems to expect that if you are going grand alliance you are cherry picking the best units.
  13. Cynric
    Looks like fun. Please let us know how it works out. I wish I could run a bit more wanders as well. I miss my old wood elf army which was Orion, a mage, 2 treemen, a block of 15 dryads, some eagles, some waywatchers, war dancers and a block or two of archers. Let's hope for a battalion someday that puts humpty dumpty back together.
  14. Cynric
    I have been struggling with the same problem wanting a mix of trees, wood elves and in my case eagles (or something I can proxy my old eagles as). What I keep coming around to is if we unpack the army it always seems that the wanders dont bring much to the table that cant already be done with bow kurnoths in the case of archery or a big block of dryads in the case of the eternal guard. If instead of living city you went sylvaneth alliance with allied wanders you would gain a free wood at the start, teleporting madness for most of your army, reduce self indicated gunshots due to woodland explosions and more spell choices. To get there I would bring one waywatcher and either a 20 glade guard block or 10 sisters as allies. Change the sisters/glade guard left behind into 2 units of bow kurnoths and the second waywatcher into a branchwych/wraith. I really wish I could bring double the allies to make it look more like my old wood elves on the table but that's not the cards they dealt us. 400 points in wanders to a 2000 point sylvaneth army or 400 of sylvaneth to a 2000 point wander gang doesnt quite get me there. I think grand alliance or living city could work but not so much if it was only picked from 2 factions as what is added seems so much less than what the straight allegiance provides.
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