The Red King

They could literally say that about anyone lol. "They based their shields on Nagash/Malerion/Nuffles, when they didn't know what he looked like."

I can't help but notice the claws don't have the painted striations that all the other rat ogor hands do though. Though I still think it's possible.

I expect nothing but dissapointment on the bests front so one day I can be pleasantly surprised maybe. My only hope is the StD book which is the other undivided army.

I know I'm always hoping for more beasts but if book 4 is all death and book 5 has rules for all chaos (or at least largely chaos) then the most sensible army of renown to me is dragon ogors because they're the unit with the least "support" in the book. No subfaction benefits them, no battle tactic or grand strategy is tied to them and the only thing specifically mentioning them is the shaggoth himself. So it seems like it would make a lot of sense to me to put out a new plastic shaggoth and make them an AoR. What I'd actually like to see is some way to mark your beasts again. Just some fluffy "you can take 1 in 4 [insert god faction here] units as coalition allies" even if they don't get keywords to actually interact the ability to put some actual khorne models alongside my khornate beastmen would make the lore side of me a lot less salty about building my entire army around the skullfray concept from our last book.

The one guy with his shirt off doesn't really seem like a death knell to me whether it's likely or not. Or am I missing something?

Just makes me more excited to see its full reveal.

Oh. My. God! I can not and will not start a new army but that model is INSANE! Looks like a boss straight out of Elden ring in the BEST way. I hope 40k enjoys their latest slightly different buzz lightyear toy in comparison lol

You want 10 4+ 6++ wounds for the same cost as ungor?

This isn't a plug because I'm in no way affiliated with either of these guys (my loss of course) but this video has a lot of great insight for anyone wondering about the competitive nature of beasts.

Yeah I think numbers make the biggest difference but that would be a crazy system of hit bonus based on ranks which then depends on the army in questions ability to capitalize on that pack fighting style. Idk definitely room for something design wise there. Morale probably is the most important part of historical combat but I hate seeing combat be strictly decided by leadership tests in like 6th edition fantasy it seems? Idk I didn't play just watch bat reps.

Fair. I also don't really care for 7+ to hit tables but I was just kind of lumping them together. The more complexity there is the more granularity IS possible whether they make use of it or not. Well sure but swordmasters of hoeth (or whatever you want) are also fighting in a line and presumably better at it than you or I so again I would expect to have a harder time hitting one of them than a goblin all things equal. That said I'm more thinking about things like character duels and the like. Maybe it's far too complicated to use tables only for challenges and use flat numbers for the larger combats (actually that seems doable) but if I have to pick one or the other I'd take more tables over less. I will never defend templates though. Oh so fun to have an extra gizmo I guess? And then argue endlessly over how many models slivers of base are under it 🙄

I've always preferred these tables. Hitting a goblin and hitting a master swordsman should absolutely not be equally likely. Same for wounding a person versus a giant stone troll or what have you. Maybe that's just D&D talking idk.

That extra in the back was just like "okay walk walk walk OH BLEEP IM SUPPOSED TO MENACE HIM! *half an arm wiggle in his direction* nailed it."

What's this about enhancements for unique characters? I still can't find the specific rule saying whether a unique character can take spells from their books lore or not. (May be blind)

The triangle is the old dark speech rune for DH and appears on the forehead of the herd stone. The more complex rune as pointed out already is on the Chaos Space Marines transfer sheet and doesn't line up with any fantasy runes, but assuming this isn't a 40k rumor because of how crude it looks then the rune could be a combination of the runes for GU, BH/B, and I/EE in some order. That said I don't think GW has actually fleshed out the writing system well enough for that to be true. I'll assume beasts get nothing forever and be pleasantly surprised some time in the next decade lol. Edit: Fun aside that skull tied to a skull is also a pretty good "crude representation" of a bloodletters head.

The elven god of death is Ereth Khial not Morai Heg unless they changed it for AoS.

I think someone said we'd know Belthanos base size "tomorrow" but they may have just meant his price. Any ideas?

So the kurnoth guy is fine I guess. I like him and his callbacks to the Orion model but I don't think the bug adds anything at all to his model. Give him wings if he needs fly? On that note can anyone tell what size he is? I'll probably proxy my "dreadlord on black dragon" that's a converted wood elf on zombie forest dragon alongside all my other wood elves turned sylvaneth I suppose.

The 3rd edition opener killed me. "Evil beings who lurk in the forest ambushing from the wilds. The eyes in the darkness beyond your feeble campfire" Who's that Pokémon?! SKINNY ORCS!

Vexmore is pre hoofed to make a perfect slakefray beastlord.

Man I'm jealous of that troll. I mean those massive horns and twisted portal could have been the coolest morghur but I'm glad for destruction players.

Whitefang didn't like react this so it's false.

Silly me. I was nodding my head yes and completely forgot you can't see me outside your window. Hah brain ******!

Companies don't enter good faith agreements with anyone smaller than them. If there is ANY way for them to benefit from breaking that agreement or bullying that content creator they will. Having just watched the "Subway" episode of community I think you've fallen for the "corpohumanization" of James Workshop and in the interest of this being a "rumors thread" I'm going to continue cheering on every leak.

The opening point is disingenuous imo. We both know GW hasn't come to my house and smashed my old models (yet) but that's hardly the same as saying they're still playable in any real sense. GW needs these shakeups to keep up their shareholders and c-suits stupidly large paychecks but this is not the place to soapbox about income inequality so I'll concede we both want them to stay in business and leave it at that. As seen over the last few pages I'm pretty pessimistic when it comes to GW but even I don't think Beasts are seriously in the running to being removed. Unlike wanderers they have a warband (kurnothi were and will be sylvaneth) and they got the new beastlord sculpt and they have their own separate book which wanderers never had, so I dont THINK they're going to relegate them to TOW only or anything like that. But hope is the first step on the road to disappointment I've heard.