ssharkus Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, Cookiez said: Too bad. Is there any consensus about the Changehost list for GH2 for now? Changehost lost its swapping fun for the most part, its now 100 points more and Balewind Vortex got a rule change so you cant swap a LoC on top of it. And Host Duplicious that includes Changehost is now 310 points overall only for formations. So, imho, i dont see it as very competitive any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookiez Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 Which one would be better? I got a horde heavy meta with a good Free Peoples player now, that's why the Gaunt + Vortex. I kinda like the first list more, since the second shaman (the first one rides with Skyfires) gives +1 to wound for Tzaangors and can bring them back - which, overall is as good as having 30 of them, but on the other hand I recognise, that Shaman is not in a good spot right now. Although the third 10 of Tzaangors is great with the discount but the footstep of the unit is so huuuge i rarely even attack with half of the models... Thoughts? 1. Allegiance: Tzeentch Leaders Lord Of Change (300) - General - Command Trait : Magical Supremacy - Artefact : Wellspring of Arcane Might - Lore of Change : Tzeentch's Firestorm Tzaangor Shaman (160) - Lore of Fate : Shield of Fate Tzaangor Shaman (160) - Lore of Change : Unchecked Mutation Gaunt Summoner (120) - Lore of Change : Treason of Tzeentch Units 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) - Lore of Change : Bolt of Tzeentch 9 x Tzaangor Skyfires (600) 20 x Tzaangors (360) 10 x Chaos Marauders (60) - Mark of Chaos : Tzeentch Scenery Balewind Vortex (100) 2. Allegiance: Tzeentch Leaders Lord Of Change (300) - General - Command Trait : Magical Supremacy - Artefact : Wellspring of Arcane Might - Lore of Change : Tzeentch's Firestorm Tzaangor Shaman (160) - Lore of Fate : Shield of Fate Gaunt Summoner (120) - Lore of Change : Treason of Tzeentch Units 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) - Lore of Change : Bolt of Tzeentch 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) - Lore of Change : Unchecked Mutation 9 x Tzaangor Skyfires (600) 30 x Tzaangors (450) Scenery Balewind Vortex (100) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted September 7, 2017 Share Posted September 7, 2017 I got a new list that I'm thinking about loc 300 -tz firestorm kairos 340 -fold reality -ogroid 160 - inf arcanum gaunt summ 120 -glimpse 2x10 marauders 120 30 tzaangor 450 6 Skyfires 400 balewind 100 tot 1990 the only question is: fold reality with kairos is fantastic but can I use destiny dice for fold reality too? Anyway the list seems solid . I miss pink/blue orrors combo for hold points but I got kairos+ loc+ gaunt on balewind vortex that is scary about mortal wound output what do you think?:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMB Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 10 hours ago, Tizianolol said: I got a new list that I'm thinking about loc 300 -tz firestorm kairos 340 -fold reality -ogroid 160 - inf arcanum gaunt summ 120 -glimpse 2x10 marauders 120 30 tzaangor 450 6 Skyfires 400 balewind 100 tot 1990 the only question is: fold reality with kairos is fantastic but can I use destiny dice for fold reality too? Anyway the list seems solid . I miss pink/blue orrors combo for hold points but I got kairos+ loc+ gaunt on balewind vortex that is scary about mortal wound output what do you think?:) i think that could be a good solution BUT even if i really love Ogroid, for the sam point i'd rather use Tzaangor Shaman 'cause the Skyfires Ogroid is more solid in H2H than shaman but he cannot buffs skyfires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 @HMB You mean better tzaangor with shild of fate as spell to buff Skyfires? And guys about destiny dice.. Can I use them for fold reality?:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMB Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 the normal buff that came from the presence of tzaangor shaman near Skyfires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 you right, prob the best option is tz shaman. sad dude but that buff is amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zabbraxas Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 i think to use this list on a little tournament using the ghb 2017 battleplan, it work pretty well on my test game but if you got any suggestion i'm open to cHANge Lord Of Change (300) - Command Trait : Magical Supremacy - Artefact : Wellspring of Arcane Might - Lore of Change : Tzeentch's Firestorm The Blue Scribes (120) The Changeling (140) - Lore of Change : Treason of Tzeentch Herald Of Tzeentch On Burning Chariot (200) - Lore of Change : Arcane Transformation Gaunt Summoner (120) - Artefact : Windshief Charm - Lore of Fate : Glimpse the Future 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) - Lore of Change : Bolt of Tzeentch 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) - Lore of Change : Fold Reality 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) - Lore of Change : Unchecked Mutation 30 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) 30 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (100) Jabberslythe (120) Battalions: Changehost (160) Total: 1740/ 2000 Points Summon point: 260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N_Watson Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I just had my first game of GH17 last night. Went really well. Learned a few things (first time using skyfires) and pretty sure the list is strong/flexible. Looking for some feedback/criticism on the list to see how I can tweak it or if I should just stick with and practice more. Allegiance: Tzeentch Leaders Lord Of Change (300) - General - Trait: Magical Supremacy - Artefact: Aspect of Tzeentch - Lore of Change: Tzeentch's Firestorm The Changeling (140) - Lore of Change: Unchecked Mutation Herald Of Tzeentch (120) - Staff of Change - Lore of Change: Bolt of Tzeentch Tzaangor Shaman (160) - Artefact: Spiteful Shield - Lore of Fate: Shield of Fate Battleline 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) - Lore of Change: Fold Reality 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) - Lore of Change: Fold Reality 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (120) - Lore of Change: Arcane Transformation Units 10 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (50) 10 x Blue Horrors Of Tzeentch (50) 30 x Brimstone Horrors Of Tzeentch (100) 6 x Tzaangor Skyfires (400) Battalions Changehost (160) Reserves: (150) Total: 1990/2000 Models I have for summoning are 10 blues (50) Balewind (100) 3 screamers (120) Exalted flamer (120) Herald of nurgle (100) 10 plague bearers (100) Thoughts? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasman Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 On 9/8/2017 at 10:05 AM, Tizianolol said: @HMB You mean better tzaangor with shild of fate as spell to buff Skyfires? And guys about destiny dice.. Can I use them for fold reality?:) Don't think so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Ok thx, anyway kairos can be used for fold reality so no problem:) I think I have to switch ogroid for a tzaangor sham.. +1 to hit for Skyfires seems so important .. What do you think guys?:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasman Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Tizianolol said: Ok thx, anyway kairos can be used for fold reality so no problem:) I think I have to switch ogroid for a tzaangor sham.. +1 to hit for Skyfires seems so important .. What do you think guys?:) Yeah, he's almost a must with sky fires. Unfortunately, the Ogroid doesn't get much recognition as far as any battalions. Too bad. He's a real wrecking crew. I just wish that there was more opportunity to use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 That's unfortunate , orgroid with infusion arcanum seems really good on paper:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMB Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 Ogroid is a great model, however there's better choices than him. If he was cheaper than now it could be a nice solution, but in 2k points matches, you can setup a better magic storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonomiyakimarine Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 is there any decent use for acolytes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zabbraxas Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 i try a butch of stuff with the acolythes and i'm not convince so far. -Alter-kin Coven: don't fit in matched play, skyfire have nothing to do in it, and the dmg output is soooo low -Witchfyre: Sound good but not really effective, a unit of 30 make more or less 7 wound before save, for 110pts + the pretty useless Enlightened it's not worth it -Pyrofane cult: This one sound promessing but you must have multiple witchfyre coven to make it work well, so maybe with the new point value. In conclusion in my experience Chaos Marauders are a better choice than Kairic Acolythes so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okonomiyakimarine Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 10 hours ago, zabbraxas said: i try a butch of stuff with the acolythes and i'm not convince so far. -Alter-kin Coven: don't fit in matched play, skyfire have nothing to do in it, and the dmg output is soooo low -Witchfyre: Sound good but not really effective, a unit of 30 make more or less 7 wound before save, for 110pts + the pretty useless Enlightened it's not worth it -Pyrofane cult: This one sound promessing but you must have multiple witchfyre coven to make it work well, so maybe with the new point value. In conclusion in my experience Chaos Marauders are a better choice than Kairic Acolythes so far many thanks for sharing your experience! probably not a unit for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaritanAnon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Is it possible to be competitive with DoT and not use Tzaangors at all? Including Skyfires and Enlightened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageBoss Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 hours ago, RaritanAnon said: Is it possible to be competitive with DoT and not use Tzaangors at all? Including Skyfires and Enlightened? Well Changehost is the most competitive Tzeentch list by far, so I would say yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaritanAnon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, AverageBoss said: Well Changehost is the most competitive Tzeentch list by far, so I would say yes. Good to hear. I wanted to make a daemon only list as a slow-grow to 2000. So far I'm trying to figure out what's worth taking, but dang are 1000pt lists hard to make for Tzeentch. This thread has helped a bit though, but correct me if I'm wrong. Pinks are good for annoyance or summoning on an objective; only take units of 10, and use Blues/Brims for objectives/tarpits. Gaunt Summoner on balewind is stupidly good. Chariots are largely over costed. Screamers are generally useless except for late game objectives. Nearly all of the heroes have a place in the list. Flamers are stupidly good, but squishy and expensive. Plus the chance to heal your enemy is unreliable, but possibly fun. Ogroid Thaumaturges are a very welcome addition to the army, and pair well with pinks/blues/brims. Split for pinks shouldn't be relied on, but it can't hurt to set aside some points to summon something later in the game. Am I missing anything? I'm just starting out so let me know anything else that might be useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageBoss Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Pinks are good in general for their cost, as they are essentially 10 wound wizard + archers, for only 120 points. Much better in a DoT list due to access to spell lores. GS on BW is amazingly good against hordes. Does not do much at all to elite units, or those with good mortal wound protection. Also, a giant target for ranged armies. I would also lump Flamers into the terrible category. Too fragile, and a complete lack of rend makes them awful for their point value (compare them to Longstrikes or even Judicators). Ogriod is a fun and mid level choice. There are better options for full competitive. He does not pair well with anything really, except Tzaangors who get buffed by having an Arcanite Hero nearby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaritanAnon Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 8 hours ago, AverageBoss said: Pinks are good in general for their cost, as they are essentially 10 wound wizard + archers, for only 120 points. Much better in a DoT list due to access to spell lores. GS on BW is amazingly good against hordes. Does not do much at all to elite units, or those with good mortal wound protection. Also, a giant target for ranged armies. I would also lump Flamers into the terrible category. Too fragile, and a complete lack of rend makes them awful for their point value (compare them to Longstrikes or even Judicators). Ogriod is a fun and mid level choice. There are better options for full competitive. He does not pair well with anything really, except Tzaangors who get buffed by having an Arcanite Hero nearby. So basically I ought to bring lumps of horrors of all colors to screen my heroes, and use the heroes for my primary damage sources? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AverageBoss Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 That is pretty much Changehost. Pink Horrors for quality, Brimstone for quantity. Lord of Change (some people use Kairos in addition, but always a LoC), and Blue Scribes are a must. Some people like the Changeling. People tend to summon heralds on foot, in range of the enemy to fire off their D6 mw spell. Splitting is good for holding objectives, and is really the only time you will see blues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cyclop Owl Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 BTW, what do people use Blue Scribes for in Changehost? Copying Tzeentch's Firestorm and potentially Fold Reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pannben Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 For the reroll failed casting. Saves you destiny dice to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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