Return of Vamp Bloodlines?

[MechaBriZilla]

So, in a way, we've seen the return of the Strigoi Bloodline in the form of the Flesh Eaters Courts.  Obviously, the Abhorrent Ghoul King is a bit different from the original Strigoi, but still similar.  For those of you who are familiar with the old Vampire: the Masquerade RPG, I can't help thinking of them as a Nosferatu/Malkavian hybrid on steroids.  

I wonder if we might see further expansion upon the Soulblight Vamps.  I'd love to see the return of Necharchs myself.  But Lahmian types organizing under Neferata would be awesome too. 

Just a thought.  I mean, they could even expand well beyond the bloodlines from the old VC lists.

[ElectricPaladin]

I don't know if we're going to see all the bloodlines return as entire armies - or the core of an army that is not composed entirely of vampires, such as the flesh eaters - but I bet we'll see at least a nod to the existence of different types of vampires, possibly as part of the Soulblight faction when it is released.

Either way, I'd like them to be careful not to take up too much design space with types of vampires. Variety is cool, but so is consistency and elegance.

[MechaBriZilla]

I think there were only four bloodlines in the old world.

Blood Dragon, Necharchs, Strigoi, and Lahmian.  I'd be happy with a return of these as distinct factions as I feel like they all bring their own flavor.  But I can see what you mean, an over-concentration on Vamps could really hurt the rest of GA:Death

[ElectricPaladin]

2 minutes ago, MechaBriZilla said:

But I can see what you mean, an over-concentration on Vamps could really hurt the rest of GA:Death

That's my concern, exactly. I think I'd rather see, maybe, the ability to "tag" vampire units with Blood Dragon, Necrharch, or Lahmian (or something like it) which gives them an additional special ability, sort of like the chaos gods and generic daemon units. Separate factions... nah. I don't think they need that.

But I've been thinking a lot about creative glut lately, and how it can gradually rot a setting. I think that's what happened to the Old World. Too much stuff, not enough discipline, and the world got filled up to the point that it became old and tired. I think that GW needs to move carefully and slowly as they define the designs pace of the Mortal Realms.

[Percivael]

25 minutes ago, MechaBriZilla said:

I think there were only four bloodlines in the old world.

Blood Dragon, Necharchs, Strigoi, and Lahmian.  I'd be happy with a return of these as distinct factions as I feel like they all bring their own flavor.  But I can see what you mean, an over-concentration on Vamps could really hurt the rest of GA:Death

Five in total. Those four plus Von Carstein - the vanilla vamps. They looked like lots of little Bela Lugosis initially, with black swept back hair and aristocratic cloaks, before Manfred, Konrad and co were developed. . To be honest I'd forgotten about  Necrachs! Those were the cool bald ones specialising in magic, not so good in close combat, and looking like Max Shrek from the silent film Nosferatu!

[MechaBriZilla]

37 minutes ago, Percivael said:

Five in total. Those four plus Von Carstein - the vanilla vamps. They looked like lots of little Bela Lugosis initially, with black swept back hair and aristocratic cloaks, before Manfred, Konrad and co were developed. . To be honest I'd forgotten about  Necrachs! Those were the cool bald ones specialising in magic, not so good in close combat, and looking like Max Shrek from the silent film Nosferatu!

Nechrachs are the ones I'd personally love to see return...  Mainly because Strigoi are already here in the Abhorrent Ghoul Kings.  Those two were always my favorites.

[AGPO]

In a lot of ways the newer Von Carstein models look more like Necrarchs to me. That said I was raised on the older minis.

[shinros]

21 minutes ago, AGPO said:

In a lot of ways the newer Von Carstein models look more like Necrarchs to me. That said I was raised on the older minis.

Well von carsteins in general's are not great lookers that's all of neferata's get since they care more about that stuff. Even Mannfred is not pretty in lord of undeath they said he looks kinda ghoulish with his foward bumps. Von Carsteins are the classic Dracula. Great charmers when they put on their pretty face but are pretty monstrous when the claws come out. Like Vlad and Mannfred.

I do think they may give you option to be the blood of Mannfred or Neferata with various effects since they sired the new vampires in AOS. Honestly I don't know how GW are going to handle the rest of Death considering the rest of the units function well in mixed armies. 

Hence why we haven't seen a book for them yet. 

[Double Misfire]

It would be cool if they went somewhere with the Giles le Breton/Aborash team up at the end of the End Times (did Aborash only turn up in the novels, can't really remember) as a Blood Dragon revival. Tbh though I'd much rather see a brand new Death faction like the Stormcast Nagash has been trying to reverse engineer, or non-human undead than more boring ****ing vampires.

[shinros]

Just now, Double Misfire said:

It would be cool if they went somewhere with the Giles le Breton/Aborash team up at the end of the End Times (did Aborash only turn up in the novels, can't really remember) as a Blood Dragon revival. Tbh though I'd much rather see a brand new Death faction like the Stormcast Nagash has been trying to reverse engineer, or non-human undead than more boring ****ing vampires.

Nagash is not trying to reverse engineer them. He wants to take back which belongs to him their souls he wants all souls he can't get to even those marked by chaos. Death and undead in warhammer has always been about ghouls, skeletons, vampires and zombies. 

[Double Misfire]

Just now, shinros said:

Nagash is not trying to reverse engineer them. He wants to take back which belongs to him their souls he wants all souls he can't get to even those marked by chaos. Death and undead in warhammer has always been about ghouls, skeletons, vampires and zombies. 

Oh, ok. I remember him being pretty fascinated with them in Lord of Undeath and the audiobooks and leapt to conclusions.

[shinros]

4 minutes ago, Double Misfire said:

Oh, ok. I remember him being pretty fascinated with them in Lord of Undeath and the audiobooks and leapt to conclusions.

Nagash always wants to know how something new is ticks he wanted Manny to try and capture a stormcast soul for the black pyramid but the pull to sigmar was too strong. Still because of that Manny found out that Sigmar has been poaching souls of his mortal warriors while him and his Mortarch's were fighting Archaon. 

Sigmar with his alliance nonsense is pretty much slapping nagash in the face and laughing at him. Nagash considers the soon to be dead and the dead to belong to him and the stormcast have died several times and because of the reforging process and being tied to sigmar their souls always pass from his fingers. 

Also this is depriving him of power hence why he is building the Black Pyramid and why he is trying to find a way to take their souls. Same goes with chaos and their marked champion. As mannfred said "Nagash considers the dead to be his property." 

[MechaBriZilla]

6 minutes ago, shinros said:

Nagash is not trying to reverse engineer them. He wants to take back which belongs to him their souls he wants all souls he can't get to even those marked by chaos. Death and undead in warhammer has always been about ghouls, skeletons, vampires and zombies. 

I wouldn't put too much on what Undead have been in WHFB, tradituinally.

[shinros]

2 minutes ago, MechaBriZilla said:

I wouldn't put too much on what Undead have been in WHFB, tradituinally.

Yeah but that still hasn't changed in AOS and the fluff. At most I could see us getting a new type of tomb kings are that trade mark-able. GW even passed on our wants for new zombies and plastic vampire heroes. 

Anyway this topic is getting derailed I could see them returning in some form due to Manny's and Neferata's specialties. 

[Double Misfire]

It would be cool if Nagash were to raise a bunch of fan-favourite old WFB special characters as new Death heroes/mortarchs, and potentially get a few more players on the Death bandwagon too (it's not like they don't need them at the moment). All the current Death lore revolves around classic WFB characters anyway, so it would be a good fit/theme for the grand alliance.

What old special characters do you guys think would be a good fit for AoS Death? Grimgor would make a cool replacement Krell, with a bone to pick with Archaon too.

[shinros]

16 minutes ago, Double Misfire said:

It would be cool if Nagash were to raise a bunch of fan-favourite old WFB special characters as new Death heroes/mortarchs, and potentially get a few more players on the Death bandwagon too (it's not like they don't need them at the moment). All the current Death lore revolves around classic WFB characters anyway, so it would be a good fit/theme for the grand alliance.

What old special characters do you guys think would be a good fit for AoS Death? Grimgor would make a cool replacement Krell, with a bone to pick with Archaon too.

Well most likely Krell is coming back with a new model with a possible Frost theme. 

[Double Misfire]

17 minutes ago, shinros said:

Well most likely Krell is coming back with a new model with a possible Frost theme. 

Cool, where was that hinted at? 

[MechaBriZilla]

1 hour ago, shinros said:

Yeah but that still hasn't changed in AOS and the fluff. At most I could see us getting a new type of tomb kings are that trade mark-able. GW even passed on our wants for new zombies and plastic vampire heroes. 

Huh?  I mean, everything seems to be changing.  Don't get me wrong, general themes and appearances seem to remain, but overall, what we keep seeing is divergences from the old world fluff.  What has remained the same is mainly due to the convenience of using the same models...

Anyway, there are all sorts of signs of departure from the old WHFB.  Archani?  Abhorrant Ghoul Kings?  Granted Archani came in at the End Times, but they were clearly aware of where everything was going by then.  I don't think ghouls, skellies, vamps, etc aren't going anywhere, but they will be re-imagined, like everything else that's gotten a redo.

1 hour ago, shinros said:

Well most likely Krell is coming back with a new model with a possible Frost theme. 

How do you know such things? Are you Troggothing us?

[Oppenheimer]

On the back of the  new box for the Flesh-eater Flayers is a picture of a Vargheist. It is painted in a way that does not appear in the Grand Alliance Death book. That leads me to believe that they are working on a Soul Blight book. Otherwise, why bother repainting a vargheist?

Krell is alluded to in the Grand Alliance Death book's deathrattle section. It talks about a Wight King from before the time of myth that is leading deathrattle armies.

[MechaBriZilla]

3 minutes ago, Oppenheimer said:

On the back of the  new box for the Flesh-eater Flayers is a picture of a Vargheist. It is painted in a way that does not appear in the Grand Alliance Death book. That leads me to believe that they are working on a Soul Blight book. Otherwise, why bother repainting a vargheist?

Well.... The Vargheist is in the Flesh Eaters Court book.  Flayers are a Flesh Eaters Court unit.  I'm not sure there is any conspiracy here.

5 minutes ago, Oppenheimer said:

Krell is alluded to in the Grand Alliance Death book's deathrattle section. It talks about a Wight King from before the time of myth that is leading deathrattle armies.

On the other hand, I would love this.  I'm not counting on it yet.  But I would certainly like it.  I think Krell is one of the best looking hero models in the Death range.

[shinros]

38 minutes ago, MechaBriZilla said:

Well.... The Vargheist is in the Flesh Eaters Court book.  Flayers are a Flesh Eaters Court unit.  I'm not sure there is any conspiracy here.

On the other hand, I would love this.  I'm not counting on it yet.  But I would certainly like it.  I think Krell is one of the best looking hero models in the Death range.

Time to pull out my Grand Alliance Death book! In the Deathrattle section. 

"The Dark lord of Despair(Only person who has such a title is Krell and nagash considers him to be the despair of Death in end times and in sigmar's time hence nagash named him Mortarch of Desapir) rules over the rime - frozen Helspoint. His armies are a relic from the Age of Myth, but some whisper that the Lord himself is far older than that." 

Krell was the Mortarch of Despair, he got upgraded to a Lord in end times AND AOS fluff wise it fits that he is old as hell since the events of the old world are like 1k+ years ago. Who else can it be? Plus his old model was turned into a generic wight lord. I suspect Arkhan and Krell are going to be characters in the Deathrattle book along with a new Krell model. 

[Double Misfire]

7 hours ago, shinros said:

Time to pull out my Grand Alliance Death book! In the Deathrattle section. 

"The Dark lord of Despair(Only person who has such a title is Krell and nagash considers him to be the despair of Death in end times and in sigmar's time hence nagash named him Mortarch of Desapir) rules over the rime - frozen Helspoint. His armies are a relic from the Age of Myth, but some whisper that the Lord himself is far older than that." 

Krell was the Mortarch of Despair, he got upgraded to a Lord in end times AND AOS fluff wise it fits that he is old as hell since the events of the old world are like 1k+ years ago. Who else can it be? Plus his old model was turned into a generic wight lord. I suspect Arkhan and Krell are going to be characters in the Deathrattle book along with a new Krell model. 

Nice, thanks. I haven't had a chance to pick up the GA: Death book yet. I'd still really like to see a new Mortarch on Dread Abyssal box that built Krell and two other Mortarchs (Isabella von Carstein and High Queen Khalida would be good picks based on hanging plot threads from the End Times).

[MechaBriZilla]

I had forgotten that tidbit from the GA:Death book.

Thanks! I'd certainly like to see Krell back as a character, and no longer on foot would be pretty awesome too.  

4 hours ago, Double Misfire said:

Nice, thanks. I haven't had a chance to pick up the GA: Death book yet. I'd still really like to see a new Mortarch on Dread Abyssal box that built Krell and two other Mortarchs (Isabella von Carstein and High Queen Khalida would be good picks based on hanging plot threads from the End Times).

This!!  I'd like them to have all 9 Mortarchs.  Bot so sure about who, but 9 of them would be great.

[Oppenheimer]

21 hours ago, MechaBriZilla said:

Well.... The Vargheist is in the Flesh Eaters Court book.  Flayers are a Flesh Eaters Court unit.  I'm not sure there is any conspiracy here

I just pulled it to make sure and there are no vargheists anywhere in the Flesh eaters book, just flayers which are a different model due to their different heads. Unless you can point me to the page they're on. I still think the fact that they painted a new vargheist for the flayer box is a good indication of a rerelease for that model.

[MechaBriZilla]

39 minutes ago, Oppenheimer said:

I just pulled it to make sure and there are no vargheists anywhere in the Flesh eaters book, just flayers which are a different model due to their different heads. Unless you can point me to the page they're on. I still think the fact that they painted a new vargheist for the flayer box is a good indication of a rerelease for that model.

Derp!!

Sorry, I was thinking Vargulf.