When to roll save? (after or before dmg numbers?)

[NaftaliDK]

Hey Guys.

I saw this battlereport on youtube, and around the start he mentions something about damage that really confuses me.

He's stating that if fx. I've rolled 3 wounds, with a weapon that deals d3 dmg. I would have to roll the damage dice first, let's say they roll 5 wounds. then my opponent would have to roll 5 saverolls. 

That's what he's saying, and I'm just really really in doubt, that he's right about this. what do you say?

 

[swiftmus]

In the 'attacking' section of the AoS rules it clearly states that the Saves step comes before determining number of wounds caused. So you were right, in your example you would roll 3 saves, and any that failed would then do D3 damage.

[BaldoBeardo]

He's wrong.

Roll to hit.

Roll to wound.

Take saves against wounding hits.

Calculate damage.

Apply damage, at which point abilities such as Stonehorn's half damage taken or plaguebearer's 5+ against each wound comes into effect.

It's actually clearly laid out in the basic rules.

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[NaftaliDK]

thank you, I totally agree, and tbh can't see how he could interpit it any other way

[Andreas]

1 Hit roll

2 Wound roll

3 Save roll

4 Damage

5 "Ward Save", Halving wounds etc..

[Naishy]

I think the main issue is the way to wound roll and wounds suffered is differentiated.   Many of us probably state after failing 5 saves; "thats 5 wounds" which is a complete hang up from 8th addition.  

There are also so many special rules out there that grant saves against "wounds suffered" i.e. after the damage modifier has been applied that easily lead to confusion as to when to take saves.

[RuneBrush]

2 hours ago, Naishy said:

I think the main issue is the way to wound roll and wounds suffered is differentiated.   Many of us probably state after failing 5 saves; "thats 5 wounds" which is a complete hang up from 8th addition.  

There are also so many special rules out there that grant saves against "wounds suffered" i.e. after the damage modifier has been applied that easily lead to confusion as to when to take saves.

Now I tend to go "X potential wounds" when somebody needs to roll saves, but often say they cause however much damage after that.  I do agree though the whole terminology is a bit confusing: wounds turn into damage turn back into wounds?

[GorbadIronClaw]

Page 5 from the Rules Faq´s totally clarifies that:

Q: When a model/unit has a special saving throw...

The confussion relies in some special save abilities that applies after the wound have been taken. Normal saves occur after wound rolls, but before calculate damage.

[Veterannoob]

YEah. I've been slipping sometimes and doing this wrong, which is only really shorting myself. But I always say "X wound does D3 dmg"  or whatever every time but my opponents don't so I have to ask how much they do. Felt weird, I'll train them to tell me how many wounds they do.  Just seems like a good habit to get into.