scrubyandwells Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 21 minutes ago, Nico said: Assuming that hordes are a thing - a cheaper Dreadwood list where you YOLO in Drycha and Alarielle with Shield of Thorns and Mystic Shield could work well. Drop the Kurnoths entirely and Spam bodies elsewhere with a Waywatcher and Venator to snipe. Interesting...something like this? Alarielle Drycha Waywatcher Venator 5 Spite-Revenants 5 Spite-Revenants 5 Spite-Revenants 5 Spite-Revenants 10 Dryads 20 Glade Guard Dreadwood Outcasts 1970/2000 That looks pretty rough on paper... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aezeal Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 7 hours ago, Nico said: Assuming that hordes are a thing - a cheaper Dreadwood list where you YOLO in Drycha and Alarielle with Shield of Thorns and Mystic Shield could work well. Drop the Kurnoths entirely and Spam bodies elsewhere with a Waywatcher and Venator to snipe. The thing about t he hunters is that while maybe not much more effective than say a TL you can still put 6 or 9 in a unit and use the teleport ability. Nothing we have can pack that much punch in a single unit to teleport and activate. A well teleportered Drycha might take out a key block of troops ofc and then do damage in melee but it would depend on the opponents army whether that would be effective enough. Btw teleporting hunters and letting Drycha move with Alarielle if you get 2 abilities on dreadwood probably increases the alpha strike if you take em all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Indeed. It's just horrific seeing how many points are eaten up by the Battalions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aezeal Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 3 hours ago, scrubyandwells said: Interesting...something like this? Alarielle Drycha Waywatcher Venator 5 Spite-Revenants 5 Spite-Revenants 5 Spite-Revenants 5 Spite-Revenants 10 Dryads 20 Glade Guard Dreadwood Outcasts 1970/2000 That looks pretty rough on paper... Wouldnt keeping 6 scythes and dropping the shooting be very nasty too? If Drycha can move 18 she might get a decent shot at the front line where big blocks often get deployed, also a good charge chance for melee then. It does mean that after the alpha strike you don't have much trivks anymore.. Except alarielle healing all the alpha strike units ofc. But the damage out put should be considerable if you roll 2 abilities. If you roll 1 you still have the regular strike a drycha will either be there next turn (giving more targets to defend from)or defend home objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTithe Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Anyone want to watch my ramblings on the new sylvaneth points costs ? https://youtu.be/S0F0D_dhAiY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Another possible ally of note is Prime Time. He's 20 points cheaper now and provides an aoe attack or a late game beatstick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikey Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 hour ago, BloodTithe said: Anyone want to watch my ramblings on the new sylvaneth points costs ? https://youtu.be/S0F0D_dhAiY subscribed looking forward to more aos content Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTithe Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 1 hour ago, mikey said: subscribed looking forward to more aos content Thanks! Massively appreciate that. You are officially my 50th sub! ??????? How was the video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swarmofseals Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Blacktalon's abilities showed up on reddit, may or may not be true. I figured I'd crunch the numbers anyway as we're all going to be wondering if she'd make a good ally choice. Move 6" Wounds 5 Bravery 8 Save 3+ Whirlwind Axes 1"/A7/3+/3+/-1/1 Heavy Boltstorm Pistol 9"/A4/3+/3+/-/1 Damage of her attacks is raised by 1 if she targets a Hero; can tag along another unit for a free move. 120 pts I have no idea what that movement thing means. PPEW of 8/12/16/24 is pretty bad but pretty typical for a hero. WDR is .0346/.0691 vs non heroes and vs heroes respectively. Not exciting, especially considering she is a foot slogger and enemies can probably keep their heroes away from her. That "free move" thing might make her worthwhile though, tough to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage8112 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 9 hours ago, Nico said: Assuming that hordes are a thing - a cheaper Dreadwood list where you YOLO in Drycha and Alarielle with Shield of Thorns and Mystic Shield could work well. Drop the Kurnoths entirely and Spam bodies elsewhere with a Waywatcher and Venator to snipe. Dreadwood is at a handicap if you don't get first turn. I'd be wary about using any allies with that style of list since you lose the ability to single drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swarmofseals Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Some minor news from the compendium changes: Treekin have lost they Sylvaneth keyword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamister1 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Drycha's firefly shooting now only affects enemies rather than all units in a radius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage8112 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 26 minutes ago, swarmofseals said: Some minor news from the compendium changes: Treekin have lost they Sylvaneth keyword. wait what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage8112 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Deargod. So many changes. @NicoQ: If an ability or spell allows a model to be set up elsewhere on the battlefield, and the model is originally within 3" of an enemy, does it count as having retreated? A: No, unless specifically stated otherwise There's your teleporting hunter shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage8112 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 OMG Flitterfuries no longer attack Drycha! SYLVANETH Page 133 – Drycha Hamadreth, Colony of Flitterfuries Change the second sentence to: ‘When she attacks with her Colony of Flitterfuries, roll 10 dice for each enemy unit within in the range shown on the damage table.’ Also, no stacking stomps Pages 134, 135 and 136 – Spirit of Durthu, Treelord Ancient and Treelord, Groundshaking Stomp Change the first sentence to: ‘At the start of the combat phase, roll a dice for each enemy unit within 3" of any models with this ability.’ Also, this passage suggests that Citadel woods do block movement, or at least eat up a decent portion of that movement, as the length up and then down a tree is ~10" or so.Q: Are models/units allowed to ‘climb up’ trees on the Citadel Wood bases? A: Yes. For simplicity and ease of play, models are allowed to climb up and down any type of scenery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vesco Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mirage8112 said: Also, no stacking stomps Pages 134, 135 and 136 – Spirit of Durthu, Treelord Ancient and Treelord, Groundshaking Stomp Change the first sentence to: ‘At the start of the combat phase, roll a dice for each enemy unit within 3" of any models with this ability.’ why? if i have a tla and durthu and near them there are enemies(withinj 3") why i can't double stomp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aezeal Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, Mirage8112 said: OMG Flitterfuries no longer attack Drycha! SYLVANETH Page 133 – Drycha Hamadreth, Colony of Flitterfuries Change the second sentence to: ‘When she attacks with her Colony of Flitterfuries, roll 10 dice for each enemy unit within in the range shown on the damage table.’ Also, no stacking stomps Pages 134, 135 and 136 – Spirit of Durthu, Treelord Ancient and Treelord, Groundshaking Stomp Change the first sentence to: ‘At the start of the combat phase, roll a dice for each enemy unit within 3" of any models with this ability.’ Also, this passage suggests that Citadel woods do block movement, or at least eat up a decent portion of that movement, as the length up and then down a tree is ~10" or so.Q: Are models/units allowed to ‘climb up’ trees on the Citadel Wood bases? A: Yes. For simplicity and ease of play, models are allowed to climb up and down any type of scenery Did other abilities (say.. bloodsecrators, Khemists) also got nerved like the stomp? Where can we find these changes btw? I still have to wait a day before I get my book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aezeal Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Just now, vesco said: why? if i have a tla and durthu and near them there are enemies(withinj 3") why i can't double stomp? Because this rules say they only have to role once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage8112 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, Aezeal said: Did other abilities (say.. bloodsecrators, Khemists) also got nerved like the stomp? yes. Both can only add 1 attack to a unit per hero phase now. Although the bloodsecrator is still an aura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aezeal Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Mirage8112 said: yes. Both can only add 1 attack to a unit per hero phase now. AWESOME (and a good trade). But these things are all individual changes to those specific rules? No allround "rule of 1" that say all abilties only count once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage8112 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 they look to be specific changes, but there are a lot of them. For example, the stonehorn now halves the damage of individual weapons (i.e. swords become damage 1 vs damage 2) but no longer halves total damage received. (i.e. you no longer put the damage in a "pool" and divide by 2). Which means damage 1 units like dryads do their full damage with no reduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aezeal Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Just now, Mirage8112 said: they look to be specific changes, but there are a lot of them. For example, the stonehorn now halves the damage of individual weapons (i.e. swords become damage 1 vs damage 2) but no longer halves total damage received. (i.e. you no longer put the damage in a "pool" and divide by 2). Which means damage 1 units like dryads do their full damage with no reduction. Ow that really helps (well.. it wouuld if I had a beastclaw opponent). So I saw the link to the order FAQ in the WE topic.. but it's not on the GW site? Is it some sort of leak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage8112 Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 warrhammer community site posted the changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aezeal Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 So.. the compendium wood elf banner bearer now has a better ability... but they also lost the wanderer keyword. (also they lost all their command abilities it seems, Orion now is an avatar of the hunt). Waywatchers as a unit now are also a thing of the past except in order armies. I just knew this would happen as I said above... sadly it invalidates a few of my options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubyandwells Posted August 26, 2017 Author Share Posted August 26, 2017 6 hours ago, Mirage8112 said: [Sylvaneth FAQ-related updates] Today was fab for us overall. Feels good to get some unexpected, big wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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