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  1. scrubyandwells

    AoS 2 - Sylvaneth Discussion

    Re: #1-#5 above: 1) After six games across two 1 day'ers, it has felt difficult, as expected, to compete with only 20 Dryads. No shock there. 2) Same with the non-one-drop, but all of the losses have been close so far, except the game vs Gorefist, but that game was principally lost on my poor deployment. A non-one-drop seems clearly less forgiving to mistakes, especially in deployment, with more potential for the unexpected. You can find yourself in situations where you can't even get a second or third Wyldwood on the table, due to enemy units getting in your face before you've had a turn, or failing to cast Verdant without Ranu's, etc. 3) Celestant-Prime wasn't that useful over the weekend, but those were my first three games with him. More experience needed. With that said, I was skeptical about his value on paper, especially at 340. If you drop him round 1 to use the comet, I don't know if he'll do enough over the game for his points. If you hold him until round 2, he's still capable of flubbing 5 attacks at 3's to hit, especially with the considerable # of to-hit debuffs in the game. And if you're waiting to strike with him in round 3, that might be too late in the game to make a difference, especially since you'll be playing 340pts down for two rounds. And as everyone knows, with a 3+ save and only 8 wounds, he dies incredibly easily. 4) Unfortunately, Kurnoth Bows didn't do much over the weekend either. I was rolling consistently poor for them. The Wyldwood LoS-blocking wasn't much of an issue, however. It was just the usual frustration with their 4+ to hit that Sylvaneth players have been experiencing over the last couple years, especially now that Look Out, Sir! turns that 4+ into a 5+. I still kind of like the idea of taking 3 of them in a list with Alarielle, so you have the ability to summon 3 more when you need targeted ranged damage (e.g., vs a Tzeentch caster-heavy list). At the same time, it can feel like you're playing 200pts down when they consistently do nothing, and you'd often much rather have 20 Dryads on the board. 5) Drycha's Flitterfuries were solid in the 1 day'er last August, but a little less valuable this weekend. In game 1 vs Khorne, though, they were outstanding, as she never died and continually pinged off a couple mortal wounds on multiple units/heroes each round. It's hard to know how she would've fared in game 2, since my deployment lost that game from the start. And in game 3 vs Nighthaunt, their heroes were too far spread out for Flitterfuries to have much impact. She was consistent on one front, though: She was both worthless in combat and sad/embittered the entire weekend, outside of one round, just before she was about to die to a bunch of pigs. I'd like to try out Squirmlings at a 1 day'er, although it would've only had relevance vs Nighthaunt this weekend. Maybe if you can keep her screened by lots of Dryads, which are then fighting a blob unit, you can have Drycha's Squirmlings in close enough range to do a lot of mortal wounds to that unit. In general, I'm increasingly skeptical about Drycha's value at the moment. Since she dies quite easily and tends to do nothing in combat, you're spending 280pts on her as a 10-wound Wizard and for her Flitterfuries or Squirmlings. If you could actually choose which one she uses each game, she would be more interesting, but since you can only take one for an entire event, you'll often have matchups where she has the wrong one. I'll follow up re: #6-#7 above.
  2. scrubyandwells

    AoS 2 - Sylvaneth Discussion

    Attended the 1 day'er Realm of Rad yesterday (22 players) with my friend Scott Sproul (who won Best Painted!). It was hosted by Edmond Unplugged, a brilliant FLGS in Edmond, Oklahoma (serving pizza, beer, etc.), and organized by Ben Cornelius of the Lords of the Realms podcast. Thanks so much to them for a fun event! Similar to Siegeworld last Aug, I just wanted to attend with a learning, experimental mindset, in particular to learn more about: How well can Sylvaneth compete without a one drop and with 20 Dryads (+ no Dryad summoning) Alarielle and how to play her (6 games in after getting her a couple months ago) Celestant-Prime's potential value in a Sylvaneth list Kurnoth Bows' present value and in-game realities of playing them with 6+ Citadel Wood bases reducing LoS Whether Drycha is worth it, e.g., whether Flitterfuries can provide enough value (or to do Squirmlings), especially with Wyldwoods blocking LoS How to deploy Sylvaneth non-one-drop in certain matchups How to build a competitive non-one-drop list, with low model count, capable of going 4-1 Played Khorne Council of Blood, Ironjawz Gorefist, and Nighthaunt with a lot of bodies and mix of units. We didn't use realm rules, except below in (). My list (at the event, each caster could take a spell from your battletome, or instead, a spell from your realm of choice, but not both): Alarielle w/ Regrowth Drycha w/ Spellshroud Branchwraith w/ Acorn + Verdant Celestant-Prime 10 Dryads 10 Dryads 5 Spites 3 Kurnoth Bows 3 Kurnoth Swords Prismatic Palisade Game 1, Khorne, Scorched Earth: This one went well. His Bloodthirsters were on his middle and left side, without a lot of support for his middle and right side objectives beyond Flesh Hounds. He should've given me first turn, though, for a chance at the double, as a double from Council of Blood is scary, especially vs low model count. I used teleporting to keep away from him, doing as much ranged damage as possible with Alarielle, 2x3 Kurnoth Bows (Alarielle summoned 1x3), Drycha's Flitterfuries, and the Prime's comet. The Prime dropped early to kill the Flesh Hounds on his right side objective and help chip away in general with his comet. His dice were horrific all game, though. Some of the worst I've seen. Game 2, Ironjawz, Places of Arcane Power: This was the first time facing Gorefist. He he had a supercharged version with 18 Gore-Gruntas, along with starting the game with 4 CP, so 5 CP in round one. His list was excellent. Had a number of cool elements, including Aetherquartz Brooch to try and keep generating extra CP for boosting his Waaaagh!. His army was the very definition of a mobile anvil, designed to keep you pinned in your deployment while his heroes score on objectives. That's what happened, although I made two mistakes that lost the game in deployment, one rather obvious and one a little less so: 1) I was playing pretty casually and not thinking about how hard Gore-Gruntas could hit with the potential to stack so many CP, along with the realities of Smashing and Bashing. In light of that, my key pieces should've been more than 4" behind my screening 2x10 Dryads and 5 Spites. He went first, so that would've meant he would just wipe out the Dryads and Spites, and then face Alarielle, Drycha, 3 Kurnoth Swords, and 3 Kurnoth Bows, along with Alarielle summoning 3 more Kurnoth Swords within 9" of her and 9" from the Gore-Gruntas for an 8+ charge (Warsinger). Alarielle's CA would've gone off as well for RR'ing wounds, and his Waaaagh! would not have been nearly as scary outside of his first initial turn. I think it still would've been a tough game, though, because of the second deployment mistake. 2) Not only didn't I put the key pieces more than 4" away from the screens, I didn't leave enough space to summon Wyldwoods. He had 15 pigs immediately in my face, piling in and taking up lots of space with their big asses (er, bases), so it was impossible to get a launchpad Wyldwood down to get units out of my deployment in order to start threatening objectives. Here's what probably would've been better: stretching my 25-model screen along the deployment line, and then leaving plenty of open space behind them for placing the Acorn Wyldwood, with Alarielle and other key pieces well-off the deployment line and out of the way from where the Acorn Wyldwood would drop. Another issue was I kept failing the Branchwraith's Verdant on a 6+. Not having both Acorn and Ranu's (for a 4+ on Verdant) can greatly hurt our mobility. Despite my oops on deployment, thank you to Tim for the enjoyable game! Game 3, Nighthaunt, Relocation Orb: This game was against a new player, so with the loss in round 2, I just wanted to see how well the list could (or couldn't!) chew through Nighthaunt rather than worrying about the mission. He had a handful of heroes, 3x20 Chainrasp, 20 Reapers, 12 Banshees, and a Black Coach. The obvious stand out was Dryads: -1 to hit + 2 attacks a model makes them ideal vs Nighthaunt. The thought of 20 in cover with a 3+ save (or 4+ vs -1 rend), putting out up to 41 attacks.... The popularity of Nighthaunt is another strong case for the Dryad spam we've been seeing since GHB17. As expected, Kurnoth Swords were pretty good vs Nighthaunt. Alarielle, Kurnoth Bows, and Drycha were underwhelming. Alarielle was hurt, as you'd expect, by the Nighthaunt's common 4+ ignoring rend save. The Celestant-Prime is also negated vs Nighthaunt for the same reason. His comet can help, in principle, but Nighthaunt players are pretty incentivized to spread out their heroes, tying them to different units, based on the buffing role they play in the game. If we had gone 5 rounds, I probably would've chewed through most of the army. Nighthaunt seem pretty tough, though. They have a lot of the right elements to compete on top tables: bodies, mobility, resiliency/healing, damage output, etc. This post is getting along, so I'll follow up with another one shortly. Had a blast at the event, though, and learned a lot. Thanks to my opponents for three fun games! Was also grateful to receive Favorite Opponent/Game!
  3. scrubyandwells

    Crowdsource Points Project: AoS Gunkulator

    Hi @Lemon Knuckles, I was curious how your latest version would score the following (current value in parentheses): - Akhelian Leviadon (380) - Aventis Firestrike (360) - Lord-Arcanum on Tauralon (340) - Evocators on Dracolines (300) - Spirit of Durthu (380) - Treelord Ancient (300) - Drycha Hamadreth (280)
  4. scrubyandwells

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    Just going for low-model Sacrosanct 2K + allies w/ fave models that could at least pull 3-2 at events. Presently stuck on Prime (seems inefficient but fave SCE model), Arcanum (on foot or Gryph), Castellant, Azyros, 1x10 Seq, 2x5 Seq, 1x6 or 2x3 Kittycators, and 2x10 Eternal Guard. Missing: Non-Scions teleport e.g. Vexillor or Relictor, and ranged damage.
  5. scrubyandwells

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    Thanks for the thoughts! Appreciated your non-standard list + excellent write up on the tournament. Slowly getting SCE together as a second army. Have been thinking about 2x10 Eternal Guard as screens (not a fan of Skink models). EG seem like a reasonable buy at 70, but Aetherwings are interesting at 20 less + Scions. No Watchful Guardians synergy, though, since theming around Sacrosanct.
  6. scrubyandwells

    AoS 2 - Stormcast Eternals Discussion

    That's the craziest damn list I've seen in a while. Shaun is a madman. How well do you think Aetherwings do as screens in general?
  7. Re: the following five... Endless spells Realm artefacts Realm spells Realm commands Realmscape features I think endless spells stand out as a net-positive for AoS. A nice balance of originality and flavor, light touch (simplicity and non-outsized impact), and $ opportunity. The other four are a net-negative on the AoS experience in my view, at least for MP tournaments, with maybe the exception of realm artefacts. A strength of AoS has been its relative simplicity and elegance. If you're a serious competitive player, you may be happy to invest the effort to become deeply familiar with the above; and you may also not mind the in-game experience of needing to be prepared and capable of both remembering and making sound choices in relation to the additional features. If you're a casual competitive player, you may find the realm elements lessen your enjoyment. They may reflect a crossing point, where the amount of intimate knowledge required to compete becomes burdensome. Personally, I'm casually competitive... The various realm rules feel burdensome, especially when they're having an outsized impact on the game and all my brain wants to do is just ignore the damn things. If going to Holy Wars (a narrative event), and playing on a Realm of Death table with Death scenery + realm spells/features/etc., then absolutely, sign me up. If going to Las Vegas Open's AoS Championship to play competitive AoS, no thanks. They seem to run counter to 'immersion' at a competitive tournament. They add undue complexity without meaningful benefit. With that said, I can live with realm artefacts, but as a solution to one commonly-perceived intent (providing more choice to armies without a battletome), they seem like a bloated approach, again for MP. Ubiquitous artefacts could be modified annually, but unless the design space is better constrained, with less variance in value, then the same issue will continue: A small number of artefacts will be used commonly, and a majority of them will be ignored. Of course, I could be wrong. It happens. A lot. cc: @Vincent Venturella, @Thomas Lyons, @Brendan_Bear, @David Griffin, @Lhw, @ianob
  8. scrubyandwells

    Crowdsource Points Project: AoS Gunkulator

    Hi @Lemon Knuckles, thanks very much for this effort. Looking at your latest list of units, I didn't find much to disagree with. Your outputs largely matched up with my personal evaluations. The only area that seemed problematic were some of the shooting units. Your results often seemed to overvalue shooting units relative to my personal sense. The nature and overall landscape of AoS2 has lowered the aggregate value of shooting. I think we've seen this reflected in tournament results over the last six months. To look at a few examples: * Arkanauts - Gunk: 153 | GH18: 120 * Judicators - Gunk: 159 | GH18: 160 * Kurnoth Hunters - Gunk: 211 | GH18: 200 * Savage Orruk Arrowboys - Gunk: 165 | GH18: 140 In each of the above, Gunk doesn't quite match up with my personal valuation, given the collective set of variables in AoS2 that lowers the value, on average, of shooting in the game. (FWIW, personally, I prefer a weighting in AoS that favors, moderately, combat over shooting/magic.) E.g., while I agree 210pts is a reasonable reflection of the value of Kurnoth Scythes and Swords, I think 210pts, or 200pts, is an overestimation of the value of Kurnoth Bows. The same applies with Judicators: In GH17, 160pts seemed spot-on for them, but in GH18, it seems 20pts too high, whereas Gunk thought it was still spot-on. For reference, here's some of the currently-problematic units in the game that I thought your system largely nailed: * Grimghast Reapers - Gunk: 170 | GH18: 140 * Morrsarr Guard - Gunk: 189 | GH18: 160 (note: your spreadsheet had 140, the pts for Ishlaen Guard in GH18) * Witch Aelves - Gunk: 136 | GH18: 100 (I could see some argue 136 is too high; a couple of DoK rules make Witch Aelves especially terrifying currently) * Dire Wolves - Gunk: 79 | GH18: 60 * Sequitors - Gunk: 143 | GH18: 120 * Evocators - Gunk: 232 | GH18: 200 cc: @Thomas Lyons
  9. scrubyandwells

    AoS 2 - Sylvaneth Discussion

    Just some friendly ribbing my friend. ;-D 74 models is on the lower end compared to quite a few armies.
  10. scrubyandwells

    AoS 2 - Sylvaneth Discussion

    Some of us still have ethical standards and refuse to play Sylvaneth as a Dryad-horde army, your multiple top 5 finishes be damned. 😜
  11. scrubyandwells

    AoS 2 - Sylvaneth Discussion

    Hey dendrophiles! Haven't been around in a while, but wanted to pop in and share some recent additions, thanks to the brilliant folks at Unlimited Colours. The sublime Queen herself finally arrived yesterday. Her appearance put me at ease after seeing the (seductive) abomination @Vincent Venturella created last week. That man has issues. Props to all of you doing the Goddess proud at tournaments of late, especially that scoundrel @Lhw. And apparently he won a sports award? Who rigged that vote?
  12. scrubyandwells

    AoS 2 - Sylvaneth Discussion

    Still not in love with that build. It has some clear flaws, e.g.: a fair # of points in utility pieces that die easily (Dryads, Tree-Revs, Spite-Revs) a more-survivable Ancient who will still often fluff shooting and melee a strong reliance on 6 Scythes as the primary combat punch 100 points in utility magic that could still fail to cast
  13. scrubyandwells

    AoS 2 - Sylvaneth Discussion

    Thanks for the excellent post @IndigoGirls! I agree with most everything you wrote. On the Strategic Genius command trait, I don't believe you can select that if you're doing Sylvaneth Allegiance, although maybe someone could correct if that's mistaken? Here's a recent iteration on the prior Gnarlroot build: Treelord Ancient Gnarled Warrior Ignax's Scales Regrowth Drycha Hamadreth Regrowth Branchwraith Ranu's Lamentiri Verdant Blessing Branchwych Acorn of the Ages Throne of Vines 10 Dryads 5 Tree-Revenants 5 Tree-Revenants 5 Spite-Revenants 6 Kurnoth Scythes 3 Kurnoth Swords Gnarlroot/Household Chronomantic Cogs Balewind Vortex Couple thoughts on the above: Gnarled Warrior + Ignax's Scales may provide better durability than Ethereal Amulet, at the sacrifice of the +1 from Warsinger combo'ing with Cogs for 6+ teleport charges. Instead, you'll be relying more on Cogs to stay on + relying on 7+ charges with (hopefully) a CP RR, which isn't too bad. In my testing with Ethereal Amulet on Durthu at Siegeworld, mortal wounds were still a consistent problem. If the Ancient has a 3+ save, RR 1's to save, ignore -1 rend, and a 4+ vs mortal wounds via Ignax's Scales, I suspect those elements may provide better return vs a broader range of lists/situations. Ranu's + Verdant stays on Branchwraith, even though not giving her Throne sacrifices Dryad-summoning potential, since I'm just not a fan of trying to cast Verdant on 6+, given how important it usually is to have a reliable means of getting Acorn + Verdant down in round 1. Branchwraith should also often be out of unbind range and still in position to summon Dryads, so I'd rather rely on a 6+ (with +1 from Ranu) for that each round than a 6+ for Verdant. Acorn + Throne stays on Branchwych, but the Balewind has been added for the potential to cast Verdurous Harmony with her while keeping her out of unbind range. Balewind would turn Verdurous' 18" range into 24". The 6 Scythes would be the main target, so if they're mid-table rather than deep in enemy territory, the Branchwych could potentially stay in your backfield out of unbind range while still casting Verdurous onto them with her +D3 from Throne. Potential first-turn order of business for Branchwraith and Branchwych: Branchwych: Acorn > Throne > Cogs > Balewind > up to one more spell Branchwraith: Verdant > Roused to Wrath An additional 5 Tree-Revenants provides another utility unit, e.g., for teleporting into Wyldwoods as a screen with 3 Kurnoth Swords or the Ancient behind them. I'm hopeful the list can get away with only 10 Dryads built-in, with 2x5 Tree-Revs + 1x5 Spite-Revs for early-game screening, especially in a Wyldwood. If it can't, though, an alternative is to swap one of the 5 Tree-Revs and the Balewind for another 10 Dryads + Soulsnare Shackles.
  14. scrubyandwells

    AoS 2 - Sylvaneth Discussion

    Kind of jealous of the fellow who took Durthu and 18 Scythes to Northern Invasion. Not a fan of spam lists, but that's one of the more straightforward, strong Sylvaneth lists I've seen since they launched in 2016.
  15. scrubyandwells

    AoS 2 - Sylvaneth Discussion

    Amen. That's why at tournaments I usually look anxious and stressed, trying to juggle all the different variables and set things up in the right way. For the most part, the army is very punishing to mistakes.
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