LordPrometheus

That's a terrible reason to not give Stormcast good rules. You don't balance factions based on playerbase, that's ridiculous. That's like saying in MTG, Blue is the most popular color, so let's never give them any good cards. I really hope GW doesn't "balance" like that. Imma sell out of Stormcast if that's true lol.

Our new book better be hella lit

You have a lot of good ideas, man! I hope some of these make it into the next battletome.

Haha, I totally missed that. My bad. Great minds think alike!

I agree, this is a problem with my idea, which is part of why it will never happen. The model range is just too ridiculous at this point to try to rebalance them all as super elite Custodes-like. However, I think we can both agree that they definitely need to be more elite than they currently are. I like your Liberator ideas, but I would tweak it to give them either a 3+ save or 3 wounds apiece. In fact, adding a minimum of one wound to all SCE units would be a good starting place for a more elite army.

Our warscrolls are some of the weakest in the game at this point, especially considering the lore of the faction. Immortal demigods clad in divine armor have a 4 up save, no FNP, 2 wounds, die to everything, hit like wet noodles, and are literally the worst battleline in the game (can't hold objectives against other horde battleline)? Please. They have all the drawbacks of being "elite" and NONE of the bonuses that are supposed to come with that. I would love to see them become more like Custodes. Points increase across the board, sure. Give them all a 2-3+ save, 5+ FNP, minimum 3-4 wounds apiece, 8 wound heroes, Objective Secured, attacks hit like Mack trucks, factionwide bonuses against Chaos and maybe Death. Feel free to season to taste. They would actually feel like immortal demigods in that scenario. That's my vision for them, but I really doubt it will ever happen.

I hope this gives Nagash, Neferata, and Mannfred some love. Nagash doesn't do much for OBR, and at this point he's just hideously overcosted. Neferata and Mannfred have been ignored for so long, most people forget they exist in AoS.

Just went back to check and you are correct. Oops. Nobody caught that yesterday, but it honestly wouldn't have changed much I don't think. My Marauders and Warriors took almost all the opponent's attacks , since they were the ones holding objectives and dealing big damage.

That's perfectly valid, honestly. The best part of STD is how flexible they are. There's very few obviously wrong choices with them, I feel. You can adapt them to your playstyle. It really is a toolbox army.

I really wanted a tanky objective holder, and holy ****** did they deliver, especially in the last game against KO. 20 Chaos Warriors in cover, possibly with Nurgle prayer buff from Warshrine, rerolling saves, is REALLY hard for people to shift. I did get lucky with the objective landing right in/near cover a couple times, so I basically sent the warriors there to camp. They scored me a ton of points over the tourney by just sitting there and tanking, dealing MWs back to attackers. Best part is, they're super cheap battleline and you don't care if they die. They're a fantastic tarpit in this list, which is exactly what I wanted them to be.

Took the below list to a 16 man, 3 round tourney and came in first yesterday! My first win ever. Factions I faced were Lumineth, Ironjawz, and KO. The KO game was one of the most intense, closest games of AoS I've ever played. Turns out -1 to hit in shooting phase and Pitch Black rules are really good. Belakor was the MVP. Shut down Teclis, a Mawcrusha, and the big KO gunboat effectively. Outstanding support piece. Plaguetouched battalion was the runner up MVP. Did somewhere around 30-40 MWs over the course of the tourney. My opponents rolled a lot of 6s lol. Also turns out a Daemon Prince General with the Nurgle Prayer buff, in cover, with the Oracular Visions ability is pretty stupid and basically unkillable. Allegiance: Slaves to Darkness- Damned Legion: DespoilersLeadersBe'Lakor (240)- Spell: Binding DamnationSlaves to Darkness Daemon Prince (210)- General- Sword- Mark of Chaos: NurgleChaos Sorcerer Lord (110)- Mark of Chaos: Nurgle- Spell: Whispers of ChaosChaos Sorcerer Lord (110)- Mark of Chaos: Nurgle- Spell: Mask of DarknessChaos Lord (110)- Reaperblade & Daemonbound Steel- Mark of Chaos: NurgleBattleline20 x Chaos Warriors (360)- Hand Weapon & Shield- Mark of Chaos: Nurgle5 x Chaos Warriors (90)- Hand Weapon & Shield- Mark of Chaos: Nurgle5 x Chaos Warriors (90)- Hand Weapon & Shield- Mark of Chaos: Nurgle40 x Chaos Marauders (320)- Axes & Shields- Mark of Chaos: NurgleBehemothsChaos Warshrine (170)- Mark of Chaos: NurgleBattalionsPlaguetouched Warband (180)Total: 1990 / 2000Extra Command Points: 1Allies: 0 / 400Wounds: 145

Agreed. Maybe he will be similar to Morathi and have two "forms" or versions we can use. Regardless, I hope he keeps his "shut up" ability. That is one of the best abilities in the entire game.

Gotcha! That makes much more sense 🙂

That's ridiculous. Heroes are an incredibly important support piece, and NH in particular simply doesn't do much of anything without their heroes. Their heroes are the glue that hold the fragile army together. They don't even get their death save without them. 5 wounds and a 4 up save is pretty pathetic these days. Seraphon doesn't say that about their heroes. Slaanesh doesn't say that about their heroes. OBR doesn't say that about their heroes. Etc, etc, etc. Very few armies have "disposable" heroes" where you don't really care if they die.

Really excited about the new hero, I'm hopeful that it signals the launch of a new tome as well, but it could just be some Broken Realms stuff is coming too.

The absolute state of Stormcast right now. This isn't even satire.

Completely agree. They are his ghosts that he commands, but he has no rules for leading them? Absurd.

Big if true, but I suspect they will be A tier for a couple months before the whining babies come out of the woodwork again, just like our last big update. Whiners: "Zomg muh Evocators do damage waaahhhhh no fair nerf plz" GW: "Oh ok also we'll nerf Sequitors for no discernable reason lulz"

I mean, you're not wrong at this point. SCE is woefully underpowered compared to literally everything else atm. Most of us are just waiting patiently for their new tome. Power creep is real.

THIS. I've been saying this for the past 6 months or so. Immortal demigods in suits of divine armor shouldn't have the worst battleline in the game, no mortal wound defenses, a highly rendable 4 up save, horrible melee damage, and paper thin heroes.

Well I wasn't expecting much from the Stormkeep rules, but this is just abyssmal. SCE still gets eaten alive by basically any other army, especially ones with newer tomes. "Maybe next year" is our mantra yet again...

Same here. I'm still recovering from laughing at the guy who was screaming that a blob of Liberators charging T1 was "broken". LOL 😂 Clearly, that person had never played with Liberators before.

I think Belakor is a must in a Despoilers list, personally. He's just so freaking good, and since he's a Daemon Prince, he gets all the benefits of the subfaction.

I came up with a list for this exact reason. Shooting is really big in my local meta, and Despoilers with Belakor and the Nurgle debuffs are just amazing. i haven't had a chance to play it yet, but glad to hear it worked so well for you!

You snark, but it's true, and so is what I said yesterday. This entire convo is living proof of why Stormcast players aren't allowed nice toys like every other army. The microsecond something MAYBE "B tier" comes out for SCE, the whining and crying starts. This is why Sequitors and Evocators got stupid points nerfs for no reason, and why our rules "updates" and White Dwarf battalions are mostly half-assed. The SCE Derangement Syndrome is ridiculously strong. I'm still just laughing my butt off that freaking LIBERATORS are being viewed as "op" now. 🤣If that's not proof of the Syndrome then I don't know what is.