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I can get every book illegally. I just don't do that. Going to a different system is my way of dealimg with it. AoS can be played with the warscrolls in the box (or online), the core rules and the warscroll builder. I purchased the book in a physical store, and it doesn't say on outside the book it's useless on its own, only when I tried making a gang did I get my disappointment. I don't do 40k stuff, I think that system is just predatory. I'm also quite new to wargaming, and systems with less depth are still intrigueing to me.

Looking at the roster, I hope that Gyrocopters (hordebreakers) get relocated to Kharadron when Cities is disassembled. They fit the team to a T, and have a purpose. Not having a big infantry core suits the skydwarves, I think, but maybe some mechanically enhanced bruisers would be a fun addition. I would like a way for the ships themselves to be heroes though.

Hurricanum and Karl are awesome models (and for the detailing, on par with other vendors in price/quality). With a bit of kitbashing, your extra general and Beast wizard could be foot heroes, and the Hurricanum can be magnetized to double as a laser as well as providing some four wizards. A kit like the Greatswords is also barely edging out good due to the extra bits lifting a box of Guards, but kits like the Guard and Handgunners are so low quality that they can't stack up. They are way lower quality than sets like the Warlord Landsknecht kits, while being about double the price per model. Do keep in mind that the Disposessed that were lost seemed like a good price per model just before they were deleted as well. That uncertainty was a big part of me leaving (price was high + uncertainty of it being "worth" the investment). With a bit of effort, a Fyreslayer could be a Beast wizard, a few Kharadron could make the Celestial Hurricanum into a technology based thing, and someone like Gotrek could ride that big Griffin. Due to GW's inability to keep a scale, newer dwarves are as tall as older humans anyway. I do hope your Thunderers are now either Handgunners or Irondrakes, your Miners Longbeards and your Warriors are now Ironbreakers, Longbeards or even Freeguild Guard.

For Necromunda, I got priced out when I calculated what I'd need in paper to play the game (the outside of the rulebook doesn't say you can't play the game with that book). Then I spent that money in scenery (mostly trees) and models for Rangers of Shadowdeep. And purchased some Snotlings (blood bowl Ogre team) to make me happy. It's not that I can't pay it, but I don't think it's worth it to pay GW that much for paper. I like sets like the Necromunda sets which can be built a multitude of ways, while still being very detailed and dynamic. They are pricy per model, but I think they are worth it. I don't think things like the Necromunda rulebook are worth it. For the price of that book (which is not enough to play the game), you can buy the Frostgrave rulebook and your whole warband. And you'd need no extra paper to play the game. And I know, I was never really in the game, actively dislike the whole 40k deal and am mostly neutral on newer AoS lore (old AoS lore is almost as awful as everything in 40k). I don't think I'll ever really be in this game, though I'll probably get a Kharadron boat to round them out.

Hi! I have little knowledge of rats, but did send a few metal dwarves to take care of them to Spain. Welcome to the forums!

There are multiple parts of the hobby: Modeling Painting Playing noncompetetively Playing competetively. Decide what you like more, and go for that! You like modeling? Build lots of terrain, can be done really cheaply (look at youtube vids). You like painting more? Get cheaper models. There are kickstarters where model price drops to around 40 cents per model. Perry historicals are about 50ct per model. You like playing noncompetetively? Try Rangers of Shadowdeep. You can even play this solo. You like playing competetively? Either play with AoS rules and different models (especially heroes are ridiculous) or a different game, like Frostgrave. Just find out what people are playing close to you, and do that.

Strong contender, mid priced rulebook with low cost of individual cards and good individuality in rules (we'd be using our own models, through 20+ years of roleplaying, we have loads).

I agree that an escalation league would be perfect for beginners, and Start Collecting boxes are comparatively well priced. I'm still eyeing Malignants for that gothic centrepiece, and both the Squigs/Troggoth and Sylvaneth have been leering at me, but there are also 400 models from kickstarters on the way (for about the price of one mega gargant). Frostgrave is a lower barrier of entry still, and the issue the other primary builders and painters have, is that GW has slipped scale quite a bit, so you can't use them very well among other minis. Being miniature agnostic is a bigger thing for them than me (and it's already quite a big thing for me). We are playing Frostgrave (2) and Rangers, but any other miniature agnostic rulebook can easily be taken in and used. I don't think we'll end up bigger than skirmish games where every character can be named, but Stargrave next year may see us foray into Necromunda models (and Gretchen). Core rules of AoS we liked, but Skirmish isn't good, and I still want them to try a game with a ME army. Well, we play one scenario of Rangers per week, and one game of Frostgrave. It'll be a while before they thirst for bigger games, and if they do, I'm not sure they'll opt for AoS. Design is a bit divisive, as well as the scale issue and non-model cost creep.

I have managed to convert exactly 0 of my friends to GW's games, and 5 of them to wargaming in general. Underworld was tried, but not deemed that interesting, AoS was deemed a bit too high of a barrier of entry (though I'll try again with providing three ME CoS armies at one point). I myself backed away from Necromunda due to its rules cost. The idea of using their minis from old d&d characters in Frostgrave or Rangers of Shadowdeep was quite appealing, (though I still am the driving force in creating terrain, and we need lots). Funnily enough, except for the two male fighters, the entire Godsworn Hunt is now included the Ranger groups. I do really like the sets that come with lots of bits, and sing high praise of the detail quality of some GW kits (though not the cheap ones like Guards and Handgunners). I also still need a big Kharadron ship, because they are awesome.

Johann could be seen as a CoS model, and GW isn't doing that.

I also always advise Underworlds sets when people are debating which army to get. You get something on the table quickly, and they are (mostly) alternate sculpts at just about the price of the hero inside. If they just want to play wargames, I advise Frostgrave. Even though I have about 6000 points of CoS, I don't really feel like purchasing all the extras required, like Malign Sorcery, yearly GHB's, white dwarves, the core book, and somewhere along the line a realmbreaker book, which would account for some €150+yearly GHB's in mostly paper. Games Workshop isn't that bad at infantry model prices (Blood Bowl, Necromunda and the more versatile unit boxes are about 150%-200% the price per model of things like Frostgrave and 300%-400% of Perry historical, but they do have good detailing and can have good selection in bits), it's the heroes and rules where they get you. Now the newer sets come out more expensive, which is a concerning trend, but I think it's because they keep the price per army similar.

Meanwhile, Frostgrave gets you on the table for €50 per person* *Assuming scratch built terrain, 1 box of Wizards per four players, Perry War of the Roses infantry, some Nolzur's/wizkids/warlord monsters. And if you share a rulebook, €30 is feasable.

I don't really like copying, but shaping the body yourself and using extra bits from a set is a good way to get more mileage out of a box. Making heads and hands is hard, but those come with doubles, luckily.

You are correct. If they'd be selling the Underworlds team without cards, it would be really close to the price of the hero + 2 kitties, because the hunter is really overpriced separately. The hunter + cards + kitty + gnoblars is cheaper than just the hunter. If I'd be playing BCR, I'd buy two Underworld kits and kitbash the second hunter into a firebelly (with some spare stuff from a big model). I won't pay €32.50 for a foot hero hardly bigger than a Stormcast etb.

I think what you need are objective grabbers, and Arkanauts seem quite good for that. With a few Skyhooks, they'll also give you high rend. If you go for ships, I'd go for a frigate. Maybe put a wizard on foot close to them, like the stormcast one that dropped to 90. I wouldn't cut the Gyros, they melt chaff brilliantly.

Isn't the Underworld set a plastic icebrow and sabre? Firebelly could easily be made from the Blood Bowl set.

It can't be less intuitive than the mess that is everything with wound and damage in it.

Some of the fast bipedal crocodiles or Allosaur would be good options, but I'd really love to see a pterosaur. The biggest of those would be absolute terror.

You could just put a blanket on him and cut out the eyes. That's a classic ghost, right?

If I look at the Escher Necromunda sets (2017 and 2020), they are both dynamic and give lots of build options. I believe other sets also have that. So there is precedence for a best of both worlds.

I don't have a spider, but the Hurricanum is 10 cm wide (half as much under the globe) and about 15 cm long.

Points are harder for modelst that have differing profiles, like Freeguild Guards' option for spears or Arkanaut's pikes. That'd require a rework of the warscroll. Overall, it'd be a nerf to the non-casting side of CoS. I'm not sure it will, but I haven't played much of GW games and will never play a 40k game. You're probably better equipped to know what's going on.

How would you balance the units that now only work because of those smaller bases?

There was a decidedly halloween themed Blood Bowl set revealed a while ago, not releasing that in October would be a wasted opportunity (I want it for D&D and Rangers purposes). I hope that that list is missing something big, and something spooky!

Mine can also be quite dramatic, but prefer to jump on my lap, with their tails high up for better cat hairing of paint. My cats haven't destroyed any models (they are missing a lot of teeth due to inbreeding and a former owner being careless), but once my cat jumped on my lap while I was superglueing. I was startled a bit, and that Escher lady got a movement characteristic it'll never get in game. Your cat is nicer for your paintjobs, but mine has a tail from which the model could easily be clipped off. I also tried making them into models (cats and catacombs):