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Gotta say, I'm amazed at the new possibilities of this book. It seems really thematic and fun. I kind of feel bad for flipping out when the combo box came out. Oh well, I learned my lesson. That being said, I am surprised about Awlrach. He seems to be a small model, standing at 175pts. They kind of talked about him as a centerpiece in the preview, if I remember correctly. Was expecting a 10+ wounds hero perhaps. What do you guys think? Is the movement shenanigans seem mandatory to you?

Yeah, definitely. It feels like you don't have any hammer in there. I'd try to group up some units like the GGs in 6 or get a unit of 10 Brutes (like I did in my lists) and def group the Boltboyz together... to try to make them feel like threats. At some point, even though you gathered a lot of WPs (with the MSUs), no one significant can use the strong melee buffs. Like you said, ardboys don't hit hard at all anymore. That being said, that my personal feeling. I haven't tried my lists yet.

In the article he shows a positive response from GW regarding the question. Would that matter? Also, when I read that statement you quoted, it works in my head I dunno if it's just because I'm not too used to the wording of these rules but it looks legit. What is the part that wouldn't make him work in Kruleboyz?

Hey guys, I'm not sure if you guys are aware, I know I wasn't but Gordrakk can be included in Kruleboyz. Here's the article: https://woehammer.com/2022/04/13/warmaster-gordrakk-part-2/ That's pretty interesting. I dunno if it'd be useful in any way.

I would tend to say yes. I don't see why it wouldn't. It seems to meet all the criteria. The ability only mentions casting a spell.

We saw the ferry-man centerpiece that is looking amazing. So that's a new thing that'll come out for sure! Hopefully along the book.

That's exactly what *I* said to the response of Neck, that units seemed to be shrinking. @Lupercal this argument is kinda pointless if you ask me. I'm just gonna drop it. It doesn't matter

Yes yes, that's what I'm saying. It recently changed with the new edition. In 2.0, they were in units of 5s and were worth 95pts for 5. You had to reinforce them to put them at 10.

Myrmourn have always been sold in units of 4s. That's how they're boxed too. To my knowledge, the unit sizes aren't shrinking. If anything, they are growing. Bladegheists used to be in units of 5s before and are now in 10s. 2 units of 8 Banshees covering the entire army suddenly feels like a compelling idea.

I was actually thinking that, wouldn't it be pretty good to have many Torments to cover your entire army and always heal models?

Hahaha oh man, 'bin guy'. I hadn't heard of that one. I presume it's the same talented individual who did the Bonesplitterz "update" to 3.0, proceeded to clean all the warscrolls, didn't add a single thing and called it a day. Transforming the army into a boring army with no personality (or strength) whatsoever.

I just had a thought that kinda scares me. GW has a tendency to make units that aren't selling well stronger and kind of cycle through them like that everytime they update books. Maybe Bladegheists are just normal fodder now but Harridans and Glavewraith will have real strong warscrolls, like Rend -2, 2 damage each, battleline and can be massed. That would make me real sad because I don't own nor like any of those models

Yeah I'm also getting the box. My pre-order was already done. I'll end up with 16 banshees total. I guess I can do 2x8? And 30 Bladegheist. Really curious if I'll be able to play all of those. Hell, maybe chainrasps will come in units of 20s now, huh?

Oh yeah! I forgot about the points man! Bladegheist took a huge hit, they lost whatever good thing they had (the reroll) but gained... Nothing. They're still the same exact average boring profile they were, that all the army has. And are still 190pts for 10 It's mindboggling.

My confusion is ...why are they holding out SO MUCH on the warscrolls? Why does every ability feel like a weaker version than anything else we see on other scrolls (or Order scrolls). I mean this is a bottom tier army in the current meta. What do we have that's so strong that could influence such toned down, weak abilities on warscrolls we saw. Hell, we even have some more 5+ saves now instead of 4+. I just don't get it. Everything we saw so far is boring and a nerf.. except Banshees who are now good but extremely situational. I'm just ranting off here, I apologize. These reveals really brought me down. The crossboos is probably the worst profile in the entire game.

It's a good thing I already have 12 painted that I couldn't field in 3.0. hopefully if they make them battleline, I might!

Even if they were.. I mean they don't even compete with the DoK content of this box So like... The previews are out.. Wow! Those NH scrolls man... WOW! I mean.. I don't even.. I'm trying to think what REALLY strong allegiance abilities they will come up with that could counter balance all of those nerfs and sideways changes...

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That's good to know, thanks.

So when do we think we'll see the standalone models of the crossbow men and the new hero for sale? Do you guys have an idea? I'm debating if I'll buy the new box or not, especially if the book comes out later... I already have 20 Bladeheist Revs, 2 Spirit Torments, 2 Chainghasts and 12 Banshees. I don't see the models that are included in the box as useful to me. Do you guys have any idea at all when the standalone kits could come out?

If the book is even remotely "good", I really wonder how it'll affect the meta. Strong armies right now all have high rend and powerful attacks. One of our main issue right now is that we don't have the means to delete stuff strategically. All our damage tables are 1damg, rend -1. If we have some additional strong tools, I feel like it could really disrupt armies like Stormcast for example (aside from dragons who vomit MWs).

Some really good points from the last two posts, thank you guys. It's true that it wouldn't make sense at all to have a profile like that in 3.0. There's probably something much larger army-wide (or sub faction wide) that justifies those stats. Really can't wait for this book.

After trying to design a list with both a MK and Gobsprakk in, I always thought I lacked bodies in them. I have 2 lists here that I think are really cool and honestly have a lot of tools. In both of them I have a big threat range (MK, or 6 GGs, Killbow, Bolboyz) I have several threats (at least 4 per list), I have MW, I have some good screens (ardboys), countercharge (brutes) and am over 130wounds. This first one has the MK. It's more melee centric and counter charge with ranged threat. I dropped Gobsprakk here. I'd be curious to know what loadout would you give on the MK. One of the warchanters would have an Arcane Tome for sure for Hand of Gork. This one here has Gobsprakk in it. It's a bit more utility focused but packs a lot of punch still. I got the MB on foot for multiple command abilities, the GGs, for big threat range, along with the Killbow, and again, Arcane tome on the Warchanter for Hand of Gork. I topped it off with Cogs because it just fit. What do you guys think about these? I can't wait to try them out. I'm finished my Tzeentch project this week and I'm pumped to paint the remainder Kruleboyz stuff I need to complete these lists.

Good points, here. I hope you're right and we'll all be amazed.

I guess he means that he's calling what he sees and commenting on it. I mean from a hype building stand point, the marketing dpt would want to try to hype things up showing cool warscrolls. Or at least cool abilities that warrant some kinda buzz. The fact that from all the things this unit has, they decided to show their completely underwhelming shooting profile, is what's bothering me. Again, the comparison to Idoneth comes to mind. They showed interesting stuff on those sharks to build hype. We're not saying the book is gonna suck. All were saying is that their shooting profile is just plain bad. There's no other way to put it. Whether on a vacuum or not. And it's disappointing. All it is just deception, here.