Boar Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Flippy said: You could just provide some thematic lists in the army book, with nice pictures, some lore and explanation of how it's supposed to perform in game. If I remember correctly, my WHFB 5ed. HE army book included such example list. Yeah, it had little tactics section at the back written by dev. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinthMusketeer Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) Let's be honest the biggest obstacle to new players building effective lists has, for *decades*, been the truly awful balance that Warhammer has. It says so much that AoS' current balance is regarded as good/improved, when some half the options in the game are solidly in always or never take status, for example. EDIT: To add important context; the balance HAS improved, tremendously so, and I laud the past & continued efforts of the dev team to do better on this front. It is simply a very large pit to fill, so to speak! Edited January 25 by NinthMusketeer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinthMusketeer Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/20/2024 at 7:17 AM, Pizzaprez said: Those Anvil of Apotheosis rules were extremely fun and did a lot to let you make your own complex characters Then they dropped the concept completely, lol. I'd love to see a book that was *just* those rules TBF it got several excellent expansions in White Dwarf. Then the Thonida supplement happened. The Anvil of Apotheosis contained within was, in my eyes, a betrayal of what it was. Not only did it not contain (good) updates to its core mechanics from the WD articles but the changes it made were actually regressive and made the whole thing worse than the original. IMO that book has value, but all the rules pages could be torn out without reducing said value (the lore is fantastic, though!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinthMusketeer Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/23/2024 at 11:41 PM, Big Kim Woof-Woof said: Why were the standardised unit sizes needed? I just asking out of curiosity. A good question. Several reasons I would say. One is consistency; the max sizes before seemed very arbitrary with little to no correlation to the mechanics of the unit in question, which both caused problems when layered with other factors and made that part of the game *look* arbitrary and chaotic to newcomers. This may seem superficial but first impressions matter and we wargamers absolutely love to get hung up on details! Another reason is listbuilding, or rather, newcomers planning out armies. I would see people looking at their tome and asking if they should be planning to field things like 20-man blightking units or 30-man tree revenants (in an era where these were a terrible idea). There were a lot of sizes that amounted to completely non-viable choices that simply should not be in the game without some purpose to serve. Finally, there is an element of narrative and overall look & feel of armies on the tabletop. Being able to bulk put battleline units more than specialists makes I intuitive sense and has done wonders for AoS armies looking like an army from a fantasy setting more than an army from a board game, if that makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pizzaprez Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 34 minutes ago, NinthMusketeer said: TBF it got several excellent expansions in White Dwarf. Then the Thonida supplement happened. The Anvil of Apotheosis contained within was, in my eyes, a betrayal of what it was. Not only did it not contain (good) updates to its core mechanics from the WD articles but the changes it made were actually regressive and made the whole thing worse than the original. IMO that book has value, but all the rules pages could be torn out without reducing said value (the lore is fantastic, though!). Completely forgot about their inclusion in Thondia! I agree: great narrative, so-so rules. Will be a bit salty if we never get another "Season of War" I really liked that idea Honestly the Anvil stuff in WD is part of why I subscribed! I felt like 2.0 had a lot of excellent conversion and rule stuff going on in WD: I was enamored with the series of conversions from each of the Mortal Realms 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackStreicher Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On 1/24/2024 at 6:41 AM, Big Kim Woof-Woof said: Why were the standardised unit sizes needed? I just asking out of curiosity. So people keep buying. Once you lose a model the whole unit is ruined, so keep buying. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flying_dutchman Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 7 hours ago, Pizzaprez said: Completely forgot about their inclusion in Thondia! I agree: great narrative, so-so rules. Will be a bit salty if we never get another "Season of War" I really liked that idea Honestly the Anvil stuff in WD is part of why I subscribed! I felt like 2.0 had a lot of excellent conversion and rule stuff going on in WD: I was enamored with the series of conversions from each of the Mortal Realms I'd love if that be the new yearly book. Just don't make the matched play section a joke and release a ghb the same year. I'd love for the yearly ghb to have some lore and narrative play stuff and not just be the matched play book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Kim Woof-Woof Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 6 hours ago, JackStreicher said: So people keep buying. Once you lose a model the whole unit is ruined, so keep buying. A slice of truth, right there. My army features 9 Seekers, because one got trodden on (don't ask). I just know that one day I'll buy another 5... but then I'll have 14, so where to then? Oh, the drama. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.